This ranking is pretty pointless since several tactics are tweaks of each other. For example, a tactic with CD is at the top, yet BPD is by far the best role for defenders according to the list.
fmgamers said: We added a ranking of player roles based on our testing. Might give you some ideas on which roles are more effective to create a top tactic
ZaZ said: This ranking is pretty pointless since several tactics are tweaks of each other. For example, a tactic with CD is at the top, yet BPD is by far the best role for defenders according to the list. Expand
Several tactics are tweaks of each other but there are of different formation with different roles. For example the original ZaZ Blue DM has DW and SS but Blue DM ( Double Tweaked ) has CM-AT, W-SU and F9.
It's a measurement of how frequent a role is used in top 20 tactics and how much points the role gets. For example, if the top one tactic uses CD but the remaining 19 tactics uses BPD the BPD will rank higher.
Using average, AF will be 100/1 = 100 pts and F9 will be 90+80+70+60/4 = 75 pts. Using total, AF will be 100 pts and F9 will be 300 pts which indicated F9 were used more frequently in the top tactics.
Using average, AF will be 100/1 = 100 pts and F9 will be 90+80+70+60/4 = 75 pts. Using total, AF will be 100 pts and F9 will be 300 pts which indicated F9 were used more frequently in the top tactics. Expand
I am commenting to try and help and my comments should not be taken as criticism. Thought I would start with that to make sure I didn't get you offside. For me, you are trying to measure two separate things with one score and rather than giving a clear picture is confuses both measurements.
I would have two scores for each role, average score in top 20 and number of times used in top 20. Just by way of example, and it is a hypothetical scenario, if the top 8 tactics all used BPD and the next 12 used CD, your calculation would have CD with a higher score. BPD would have a higher average and most people would think it would be a better option in the scenario I have suggested as it is used nearly as many times and would be apparent from having the two scores.
fmgamers said: Several tactics are tweaks of each other but there are of different formation with different roles. For example the original ZaZ Blue DM has DW and SS but Blue DM ( Double Tweaked ) has CM-AT, W-SU and F9.
It's a measurement of how frequent a role is used in top 20 tactics and how much points the role gets. For example, if the top one tactic uses CD but the remaining 19 tactics uses BPD the BPD will rank higher. Expand
I'm just saying that frequency of use or sum of points is not the same as telling which roles are more effective. If you want a suggestion, I would tell you to keep only the best score achieved by each role.
Mark said: I am commenting to try and help and my comments should not be taken as criticism. Thought I would start with that to make sure I didn't get you offside. For me, you are trying to measure two separate things with one score and rather than giving a clear picture is confuses both measurements.
I would have two scores for each role, average score in top 20 and number of times used in top 20. Just by way of example, and it is a hypothetical scenario, if the top 8 tactics all used BPD and the next 12 used CD, your calculation would have CD with a higher score. BPD would have a higher average and most people would think it would be a better option in the scenario I have suggested as it is used nearly as many times and would be apparent from having the two scores. Expand
We added a ranking of player roles based on our testing. Might give you some ideas on which roles are more effective to create a top tactic
https://fm-gamers.com/en/football-manager-2022-player-roles-ranking
This ranking is pretty pointless since several tactics are tweaks of each other. For example, a tactic with CD is at the top, yet BPD is by far the best role for defenders according to the list.
fmgamers said: We added a ranking of player roles based on our testing. Might give you some ideas on which roles are more effective to create a top tactic
https://fm-gamers.com/en/football-manager-2022-player-roles-ranking
Surely it should be average not total points
ZaZ said: This ranking is pretty pointless since several tactics are tweaks of each other. For example, a tactic with CD is at the top, yet BPD is by far the best role for defenders according to the list.
Several tactics are tweaks of each other but there are of different formation with different roles. For example the original ZaZ Blue DM has DW and SS but Blue DM ( Double Tweaked ) has CM-AT, W-SU and F9.
It's a measurement of how frequent a role is used in top 20 tactics and how much points the role gets. For example, if the top one tactic uses CD but the remaining 19 tactics uses BPD the BPD will rank higher.
Mark said: Surely it should be average not total points
Thanks for the advice. If average it won't be able to measure how frequent a role is used? For example,
Tactic No.1 AF 100 pts
Tactic No.2 F9 90 pts
Tactic No.3 F9 80 pts
Tactic No.4 F9 70 pts
Tactic No.5 F9 60 pts
Using average, AF will be 100/1 = 100 pts and F9 will be 90+80+70+60/4 = 75 pts.
Using total, AF will be 100 pts and F9 will be 300 pts which indicated F9 were used more frequently in the top tactics.
fmgamers said: Thanks for the advice. If average it won't be able to measure how frequent a role is used? For example,
Tactic No.1 AF 100 pts
Tactic No.2 F9 90 pts
Tactic No.3 F9 80 pts
Tactic No.4 F9 70 pts
Tactic No.5 F9 60 pts
Using average, AF will be 100/1 = 100 pts and F9 will be 90+80+70+60/4 = 75 pts.
Using total, AF will be 100 pts and F9 will be 300 pts which indicated F9 were used more frequently in the top tactics.
I am commenting to try and help and my comments should not be taken as criticism. Thought I would start with that to make sure I didn't get you offside. For me, you are trying to measure two separate things with one score and rather than giving a clear picture is confuses both measurements.
I would have two scores for each role, average score in top 20 and number of times used in top 20. Just by way of example, and it is a hypothetical scenario, if the top 8 tactics all used BPD and the next 12 used CD, your calculation would have CD with a higher score. BPD would have a higher average and most people would think it would be a better option in the scenario I have suggested as it is used nearly as many times and would be apparent from having the two scores.
fmgamers said: Several tactics are tweaks of each other but there are of different formation with different roles. For example the original ZaZ Blue DM has DW and SS but Blue DM ( Double Tweaked ) has CM-AT, W-SU and F9.
It's a measurement of how frequent a role is used in top 20 tactics and how much points the role gets. For example, if the top one tactic uses CD but the remaining 19 tactics uses BPD the BPD will rank higher.
I'm just saying that frequency of use or sum of points is not the same as telling which roles are more effective. If you want a suggestion, I would tell you to keep only the best score achieved by each role.
Mark said: I am commenting to try and help and my comments should not be taken as criticism. Thought I would start with that to make sure I didn't get you offside. For me, you are trying to measure two separate things with one score and rather than giving a clear picture is confuses both measurements.
I would have two scores for each role, average score in top 20 and number of times used in top 20. Just by way of example, and it is a hypothetical scenario, if the top 8 tactics all used BPD and the next 12 used CD, your calculation would have CD with a higher score. BPD would have a higher average and most people would think it would be a better option in the scenario I have suggested as it is used nearly as many times and would be apparent from having the two scores.
Point taken. Appreciate your feedback
What is the best role it depends from player to player - to attribute to attribute.
Attributes it's connected between them in math formula. It's open and visible.