Training and development for young players

by Mark, Jan 10, 2022

ArsenalHighbury said: thank you, do you do the same for the reserve and youth teams?

Yes. If you set up training and resting for youth and reserve, they grow much faster.

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ZaZ said: Yes. If you set up training and resting for youth and reserve, they grow much faster.

Hello ZaZ, im curious about the use of Physical instead of Resistence blocks as Evidences points out its kinda better because its not as demanding but equally good in growth, wanted to know what are your thoughts about it. Cheers

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Khalvito said: Hello ZaZ, im curious about the use of Physical instead of Resistence blocks as Evidences points out its kinda better because its not as demanding but equally good in growth, wanted to know what are your thoughts about it. Cheers

He is probably right about Resistance over Physical. However, the difference is marginal, and Physical is clearer than Resistance, because the description of Resistance doesn't match the results (most likely an unintended bug). If I used Resistance, there would be lots of people asking why I don't use anything to train quickness.

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ZaZ said: He is probably right about Resistance over Physical. However, the difference is marginal, and Physical is clearer than Resistance, because the description of Resistance doesn't match the results (most likely an unintended bug). If I used Resistance, there would be lots of people asking why I don't use anything to train quickness.

Thanks for the answer! Keep up the good work

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@ZaZ whenever I sign youngsters, they barely improve with your training session, one of my players increased who was aged 18 at the time, +1 in a few attributes  like 4 years, what am I doing wrong?

P.s. I setup the rest and everything.

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OpticFawn said: ZaZ whenever I sign youngsters, they barely improve with your training session, one of my players increased who was aged 18 at the time, +1 in a few attributes  like 4 years, what am I doing wrong?

P.s. I setup the rest and everything.


The main purpose of the training is to direct the development of your players but it has a very small impact on the development rate. There're many other factors that have a much greater impact on the development rate than the training.

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OpticFawn said: @ZaZ whenever I sign youngsters, they barely improve with your training session, one of my players increased who was aged 18 at the time, +1 in a few attributes  like 4 years, what am I doing wrong?

P.s. I setup the rest and everything.


FM Arena did some work on this and advised us earlier, in this thread at post #17 on page one, of some of their findings. See link below.

Development Training Info

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OpticFawn said: @ZaZ whenever I sign youngsters, they barely improve with your training session, one of my players increased who was aged 18 at the time, +1 in a few attributes  like 4 years, what am I doing wrong?

P.s. I setup the rest and everything.


Just setting up the training schedule and rest is not enough, you also need to have good facilities, good coaches, and assign coaches to the best training (people often forget to assign coaches on youth teams).

Also, as a complement to what Mark and Lapidus said, training is just one of the components of development, but the more a player ages, the more it needs match time in higher leagues to keep their pace of growth. Below is a video from Max talking about it:

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Probably, at some point later today I'll post the result of our tests that reveals how the following factors affect the development rate of players:

- The difference between "Potential Ability" and "Current Ability"
- Hidden Attributes: "Professionalism" and "Ambition"
- Appearances number
- Age

I can say that the factors above have much bigger impact than the training


https://fm-arena.com/thread/2671-development-rate-and-training/

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I know this thread hasn't been active for a while, but I just started playing and I am soaking in the information.  @ZaZ I understand your basic training concept and have made the adjustments that you and EBSM suggest (to schedules and days off based on condition), but I have a couple of questions.

1) I'm definitely seeing more "Overall Risk of Injury: High".  Should I ignore this?
2) Does the quality of the medical staff impact this?  If yes, is there anything I can do besides hire better physios?

Thanks!

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BadA said: I know this thread hasn't been active for a while, but I just started playing and I am soaking in the information.  @ZaZ I understand your basic training concept and have made the adjustments that you and EBSM suggest (to schedules and days off based on condition), but I have a couple of questions.

1) I'm definitely seeing more "Overall Risk of Injury: High".  Should I ignore this?
2) Does the quality of the medical staff impact this?  If yes, is there anything I can do besides hire better physios?

Thanks!


If you use the auto-rest, then you should have less injuries than normal, because most injuries from training happen with tired players (which then will skip training and avoid those injuries). About match injuries, I don't think there is a noticeable increase.

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ZaZ said: If you use the auto-rest, then you should have less injuries than normal, because most injuries from training happen with tired players (which then will skip training and avoid those injuries). About match injuries, I don't think there is a noticeable increase.

Thanks for the quick response.  I think I had some bad RNG right when I switched training schedules.  20 games in and so far no more injuries than expected.

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@ZaZ which are the best i individual training for positions for my youth Team U18 GK,CB,RB LB,DM,CM,RW LW,ST Thanks

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Mark said: There have been a lot of questions about training focus for each position over many months on this website. I have generally approached this by looking at which individual additional training focus would suit the position best. After analysing the machine learning weightings against attributes that each individual additional training focus covers I think a rolling approach of between 1 and 4 training focuses should be used depending on the position.

To take the most advantage of the additional focus you need to have some of the training sessions that allow individual focus training in your weekly training schedules. The best schedules for this are Aerial Defence, Ground Defence, Chance Creation and Chance Conversion.

Here are the Training Focus calculations based on the GS Ratings, with the best individual focus schedules in blue for each position.



If you look at the ones that score at 150 points and above and then stick them into a 12 week schedule it looks like this:



After the 12 week cycle you need to start again at the top.


Can I use them also for my U20 and U 18 team?

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Enok said: Can I use them also for my U20 and U 18 team?

I do.

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Mark said: I do.

for player over 25 what kind of individual team training should i use or it doesnt change?

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Enok said: for player over 25 what kind of individual team training should i use or it doesnt change?

If the player is at his peak it changes nothing, if you made a good work in his young career all the work will be done at 21-22

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Enok said: @ZaZ which are the best i individual training for positions for my youth Team U18 GK,CB,RB LB,DM,CM,RW LW,ST Thanks

Until there are more tests about it, it's Quickness for everyone, and Reflexes for goalkeepers.

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When you see the impact of Acc and PAC, how choose something else than Quickness ? For me it's automatic too

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Can u avoid  ambition and professionalism dropping 5 points  at age of 18 or why it is happening ?decline is starting at the age of 17.  I have multiple regens on different teams  and some of them are dropping points. the squad personality is above balanced  and coaching staff have good personalities.

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abisteggg said: Can u avoid  ambition and professionalism dropping 5 points  at age of 18 or why it is happening ?decline is starting at the age of 17.  I have multiple regens on different teams  and some of them are dropping points. the squad personality is above balanced  and coaching staff have good personalities.

Personality usually shifts closer to the club's average, so if it's dropping that much Ambition and Professionalism, then your average is probably low.

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While we're talking about U18 teams...I would like to get everyone's insight on whether to bring up a player who is under 18 to play with the first team.  I have a 16-year-old that's good enough, but I worry that all the matches will reduce his training time which I understand is the most important part of development until 18.  Thoughts?

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BadA said: While we're talking about U18 teams...I would like to get everyone's insight on whether to bring up a player who is under 18 to play with the first team.  I have a 16-year-old that's good enough, but I worry that all the matches will reduce his training time which I understand is the most important part of development until 18.  Thoughts?

I would bring him up. It's not like he stops training completely, and playing time still gives some development. I would bring him up because it's nice to bond with players, and that will also create a bond with the supporters.

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I was going to do a low-budget, non-statistically significant test and just sim it both ways (one where he's on the first team and one where he stays on the U18 squad for the remainder of the year), but it took waaaaay too long.  I have a newfound appreciation for all of the testing everyone does for the community so...thanks!

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I often move some talents to first team but still make him available for u18/u21 squad for 90 mins. In that way, he still can be in the first team when required and still have the game time in U18/21 squad :D

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ta2199 said: I often move some talents to first team but still make him available for u18/u21 squad for 90 mins. In that way, he still can be in the first team when required and still have the game time in U18/21 squad :D

Aren't they just missing even more training if they aren't playing with the first team though?  They miss training during their games and during the senior squad games.

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BadA said: Aren't they just missing even more training if they aren't playing with the first team though?  They miss training during their games and during the senior squad games.

Oh really, didn't notice about this one before. I just saw that they still have  a lot of game time in youth squad (and sometime in senior squad) and they still developing so ... :D

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ZaZ said: After some experimentation with training, I found the training schedule below to be the most efficient for player growth. For reference, I set players to rest automatically when condition is not excellent, and set focus to either Quickness, Endurance or Reactions.

P.S.: I reuploaded with Physical instead of Resistance. They have the same results in my tests and that might be a bug, so I keep Physical to make it clearer.


any change? i finish the season with 5 or more injured players, i finish season playing with u21 :s

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Unfortunately same case for me - ZAZ training (even as the most effective) also ended up injurying a lot of my players im afraid.

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ZaZ does recommend making sure you rest players not fully fit automatically, which may help prevent injuries.



However I use the exploit to increase match practice and that really did injure more players even with rest. I may try ZaZs again tho.

This thread also has some guides (in more recent posts)

https://fm-arena.com/thread/3638-training-system-bug/

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