Vergstein said: Will there be any player instructions ETC uploaded for console players for 3.1?

I will try, it's because I'm still not completely happy with the instructions yet.

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Hi Zaz,

Could you tell me how to effectively test tactics? Do you use your training with or without some modifications for match-buff training? Or maybe just let assistant manager do everything?

I'd like to minimize injury variance but also not give up some training advantage.

Thanks

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Hi @ZaZ , was just wondering what the most efficient training schedule was and how do you adapt your tactics to away games or stronger teams.

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MJK said: Hi Zaz,

Could you tell me how to effectively test tactics? Do you use your training with or without some modifications for match-buff training? Or maybe just let assistant manager do everything?

I'd like to minimize injury variance but also not give up some training advantage.

Thanks


I have created a save file with only English teams, and set all players from the two top leagues to have maximum consistency and minimum injury proneness. Then I run tests with eight teams, one save with two teams from Premier League and two from Championship, and another similar with different teams, divided equally by season odds. After that, I do five runs for both saves, which gives a total of 1680 matches. After that, I do a rank test to define which variation of the tactic is the best.

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ShiftLeft said: Hi @ZaZ , was just wondering what the most efficient training schedule was and how do you adapt your tactics to away games or stronger teams.

I use the one in the first post of Fire, under "Training".

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ZaZ said: I have created a save file with only English teams, and set all players from the two top leagues to have maximum consistency and minimum injury proneness. Then I run tests with eight teams, one save with two teams from Premier League and two from Championship, and another similar with different teams, divided equally by season odds. After that, I do five runs for both saves, which gives a total of 1680 matches. After that, I do a rank test to define which variation of the tactic is the best.

Explain it to me like im 5 years old

Congrats on new water!

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keithb said: Explain it to me like im 5 years old

Congrats on new water!


Let's say you have tactic A and tactic B. They reached the number of points below after being tested with Manchester City:
A
98
99
90
79
106

B
97
94
93
110
81

Then you rank all those values by higher to smaller:
1. 110 - B
2. 106 - A
3. 99 - A
4. 98 - A
5. 97 - B
6. 94 - B
7. 93 - B
8. 90 - A
9. 81 - B
10. 79 - A

Then you simply sum the ranks and see which one has the best (lowest) rank. In this example, A has 2+3+4+8+10=27, while B has 1+5+6+7+9=28. Therefore A is better (or you can say they are around the same since it's only 1 point of difference. I do some more complex stuff, but this is an easy way to compare tactics that anyone can do without any advanced knowledge.

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ZaZ said: I have created a save file with only English teams, and set all players from the two top leagues to have maximum consistency and minimum injury proneness. Then I run tests with eight teams, one save with two teams from Premier League and two from Championship, and another similar with different teams, divided equally by season odds. After that, I do five runs for both saves, which gives a total of 1680 matches. After that, I do a rank test to define which variation of the tactic is the best.

Thanks for the answer. You do it in a very robust way!

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ZaZ said: Let's say you have tactic A and tactic B. They reached the number of points below after being tested with Manchester City:
A
98
99
90
79
106

B
97
94
93
110
81

Then you rank all those values by higher to smaller:
1. 110 - B
2. 106 - A
3. 99 - A
4. 98 - A
5. 97 - B
6. 94 - B
7. 93 - B
8. 90 - A
9. 81 - B
10. 79 - A

Then you simply sum the ranks and see which one has the best (lowest) rank. In this example, A has 2+3+4+8+10=27, while B has 1+5+6+7+9=28. Therefore A is better (or you can say they are around the same since it's only 1 point of difference. I do some more complex stuff, but this is an easy way to compare tactics that anyone can do without any advanced knowledge.


So from this reasoning you get the results that,is better going w/o overlap? Because on mine say the contrary.
I am more confused then before now.

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Delicious said: So from this reasoning you get the results that,is better going w/o overlap? Because on mine say the contrary.
I am more confused then before now.


Different methodologies of testing achieve different results.

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ZaZ - Water 4.0
Woww!



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Bro...i´m so HYPED (again)! :love:
I have time, i can play FM, fresh tactic-upgrade (never played Water, always Fire)...right in time 2nd half of the season with Hertha..if i can hold international quali places it would be superb.
Posting Screens, experience/feelings tomorrow.
Thanks alot - if you ever visit Berlin/Germany, let me now..i invite you to a good Döner Kebab or Ramen or whatever you want. :thup:

Enjoy the evening@all.

PS: congratz to reach 58, awesome! :woot: :thup:

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Nebuuuu said: Bro...i´m so HYPED (again)! :love:
I have time, i can play FM, fresh tactic-upgrade (never played Water, always Fire)...right in time 2nd half of the season with Hertha..if i can hold international quali places it would be superb.
Posting Screens, experience/feelings tomorrow.
Thanks alot - if you ever visit Berlin/Germany, let me now..i invite you to a good Döner Kebab or Ramen or whatever you want. :thup:

Enjoy the evening@all.

PS: congratz to reach 58, awesome! :woot: :thup:


Thanks! I'm glad you like the tactic, and I would rather eat something else because there is kebab in every single corner here in Sweden (ramen is good, though).

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ZaZ said: Thanks! I'm glad you like the tactic, and I would rather eat something else because there is kebab in every single corner here in Sweden (ramen is good, though).

Ah, nice. I know swedish kebab (we have an house in Smaland, gonna live there in about 3y) and yeah...completely agree. It´s not only expensive (like 50 Kronor) also pretty sh*t...(not like here in Berlin).

Lycka till. Hej hej. :D

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One question about Water & the offensive winger.
How i understand this type of position is like they are searching to go inside and even trying to shoot on goal, right?
So, when i got a left-footed winger on the right side, it would be better or not?
Because they can shoot it into the long-corner of the goal and coming from the right side of the pitch, so left footed are (like Robben in his prime) in advantage or not?

I mean its the Football Manager, so it somestimes doesn´t make sense but yeah..just asking if it would better to have left footed player as right winger and the other way on the left side.

Greetings.

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Nebuuuu said: One question about Water & the offensive winger.
How i understand this type of position is like they are searching to go inside and even trying to shoot on goal, right?
So, when i got a left-footed winger on the right side, it would be better or not?
Because they can shoot it into the long-corner of the goal and coming from the right side of the pitch, so left footed are (like Robben in his prime) in advantage or not?

I mean its the Football Manager, so it somestimes doesn´t make sense but yeah..just asking if it would better to have left footed player as right winger and the other way on the left side.

Greetings.


They work well with either foot. If you check the statistics, not only they participate in goals with shots, but they are also the best crossers.

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ZaZ said: They work well with either foot. If you check the statistics, not only they participate in goals with shots, but they are also the best crossers.

Wow, that was fast. Thanks alot.

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Nebuuuu said: Wow, that was fast. Thanks alot.

For reference, their cross completion ratio is around 30%-40%, while that from wing backs is lower than 20%. They also try almost double the number of crosses than wing backs. That's one of the reasons why they usually have way more assist than wing backs. (P.S.: I answered fast because I'm testing exactly that right now, setting wing backs to cross less often because I noticed their inaccuracy during game play.)

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so far so good, thanks mate

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I have just finished my first season with southampton. thank zaz

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@ZaZ, would you say Water 4.2 is your best tactic at the moment?

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Tsubasa said: @ZaZ, would you say Water 4.2 is your best tactic at the moment?

Yes, it's the one with best results in FM-Arena. However, 5.4 has similar results.

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