Floppyaams said: As a Liverpool fan, this can't be further from the truth. Yes we pressed more than 20218/2019 in 2019/2020 but our pressing numbers were still lower than Klopp's beginning seasons. Expand Because they had more time on the ball instead of chasing it. I think this makes sense. If not I cant say anything more.
Floppyaams said: Manchester City is the exception, not the norm. Also, I would attribute their exception to their ability to retain possession so well. No other team in the world can dominate possession like them. Expand No it's not. Man City is combining Gegenpress + Control Possession in a level that they can do whatever they like. They can press in the whole game. I think this makes sense too.
Floppyaams said: Lastly, this is the most puzzling part for me because it's just a blatant lie, we did not have only 13-15 players in the season we won the league. We had a really strong bench during our UCL winning and EPL winning campaigns. We had a pretty good bench of Chamberlain, Keita, Lallana, Origi, Shaqiri, Lorvren, Milner, Gomez and some youth players. Most Liverpool fans still consider this to be the best bench we have had in recent times. Expand When I say he had 13-15 players all season I don't mean that there were that many players in the team but if you look at every game he played with the same eleven.
@Delicious and @dzek. Lads I appreciate your work on this site. It is mostly positive and helpful. I am a retired grandfather of 9. I live in a country that has 3 football games that have a bigger following than football (what we call soccer). I spend my time doing a fair bit of voluntary work and trying to get my grandkids to understand respect and enjoy the more simple things in life like bush walks.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate.
Mark said: @Delicious and @dzek. Lads I appreciate your work on this site. It is mostly positive and helpful. I am a retired grandfather of 9. I live in a country that has 3 football games that have a bigger following than football (what we call soccer). I spend my time doing a fair bit of voluntary work and trying to get my grandkids to understand respect and enjoy the more simple things in life like bush walks.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate. Expand I agree. It would be good to have a constructive dialogue, to hear everyone's opinion but everyone can see where some people are going with their words.
dzek said: I agree @Mark. It would be good to have a constructive dialogue, to hear everyone's opinion but everyone can see where some people are going with their words. Expand
My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it.
That would be the ideal scenario @Mark but when there are such attitudes, for me at least, I can't collaborate with those kind of people and also this isn't the first time. Good behavior comes first and then our "works"!
Mark said: My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it. Expand
Ye, i do understand that's useless to even go futher on gegenpress point, if he still can't understand how demanding gegen-press is/was isn't really my problem at this point.
- If people waste more time to check in-game what's going on and before to spouting a sentence, i wouldn't even say nothing. But that's not the case, usually my motto is "let them be".
So @dzek, will try to sentence this in a very easy concept :
YOU, after your favorite "company" announced while FM23 was running, FM25-Unity revolution - tons of marketing blabering, hold on , what about FM24?
It was like, marketing speaking they said : another "database Update" ; you can accept or deny it.
So, for me is already more then what i was literally expecting from the very beginning.
Now, you were attracted from their FM24 marketing campain, you are right about: you want what they promissed, i don't even know which point of their missing feature is disturbing you that much, to go nuts, but in a perfect world you would be right, but that's far from perfect.
- They already, mess-up again the "condition of players". IF gegen-press is so low-demanding system on stamina, why it affect like that in game then?
Who should i thank for that? You? But from my little understanding you saying the contrary, so it's hard to believe that they listening your "reports".
Do you believe that's is easy task to filtrer all the pile of feedback they receiving from their clients pool?
After you answear to your self this point, let go to the next one : How much of those feedback are considerated "garbage" to them? Why should i (SI company) should i listen to you instead of another client, in reality why should i even consider "feedbacks" when i have all my well paid testers.
Guess going any further then this is pretty time wasting.
Delicious said: Ye, i do understand that's useless to even go futher on gegenpress point, if he still can't understand how demanding gegen-press is/was isn't really my problem at this point.
- If people waste more time to check in-game what's going on and before to spouting a sentence, i wouldn't even say nothing. But that's not the case, usually my motto is "let them be".
So @dzek, will try to sentence this in a very easy concept :
YOU, after your favorite "company" announced while FM23 was running, FM25-Unity revolution - tons of marketing blabering, hold on , what about FM24?
It was like, marketing speaking they said : another "database Update" ; you can accept or deny it.
So, for me is already more then what i was literally expecting from the very beginning.
Now, you were attracted from their FM24 marketing campain, you are right about: you want what they promissed, i don't even know which point of their missing feature is disturbing you that much, to go nuts, but in a perfect world you would be right, but that's far from perfect.
- They already, mess-up again the "condition of players". IF gegen-press is so low-demanding system on stamina, why it affect like that in game then?
Who should i thank for that? You? But from my little understanding you saying the contrary, so it's hard to believe that they listening your "reports".
Do you believe that's is easy task to filtrer all the pile of feedback they receiving from their clients pool?
After you answear to your self this point, let go to the next one : How much of those feedback are considerated "garbage" to them? Why should i (SI company) should i listen to you instead of another client, in reality why should i even consider "feedbacks" when i have all my well paid testers.
Guess going any further then this is pretty time wasting. Expand Unfortunately the more you elaborate on the thread the more you make me think it's a complete waste of time discussing it with you.
NandaldiaN said: Sorry just followed the topic you both were talking about and wanted to help Expand It's okay but you can create a new thread at the link above so others who might be interested in your routines can join in.
letsgo9 said: Idk man, I meant set pieces in general. I tried 3 dif ones alrdy. Maybe is just my underdog team with bad jumpers. Expand
Hybrid marking, no posts, defend the box seems for me super strong rarely concede i think AI attacks much better the meta near posts so i do concede sometimes when in last patch very rarely
Its funny when you are 3-0 down at HT in the second leg and most of the options are to praise the players and your assistant recommends "thats one of the best halves of football I've ever seen" haha
keithb said: Its funny when you are 3-0 down at HT in the second leg and most of the options are to praise the players and your assistant recommends "thats one of the best halves of football I've ever seen" haha Expand Communication is the key!
I would also to tell my opinion about how sim is this game or not and how sim compare real soccer is that . Let’s talk about counter press Does any one “coach “ the counter press are measured in soccer ?The press in total ? By one only one advance stat called PPDA What does PPDA stand for?
PPDA stands for passes per defensive action.
What is PPDA? What is passes per defensive action?
As the high press became a more prevalent part of football, and the use of data increased, attempts were made to quantify pressing. While simple data such as tackles and interceptions in the attacking third, or the opposition’s pass completion rate in their own half, can give some indication of how well a team presses, they have severe and understandable limitations. PPDA is an advanced metric that attempts to quantify the act of pressing in football in a more comprehensive (though, it’s important to say, not full) manner.
How is PPDA calculated?
PPDA focuses only on actions in the area of the pitch in which a team might reasonably execute a high press. The people that came up with PPDA decided on three-fifths (or 60%) of the pitch nearest the opposition’s goal. This is the whole of the opposition’s half, plus a fifth of their own half (below). All that is the definition of PPDA The game includes this stat and is of course a team stat Does any one knows the best team of this stat this year and it’s PPDA? To make it better those are the top 5 PPDAs leagues in Europe Best Pressing Leagues in Europe (Big 5):
1 – La Liga (10.032 PPDA) 2 – Ligue 1 (10.847 PPDA) 3 – Serie A (11.504 PPDA) 4 – Bundesliga (11.915 PPDA) 5 – Premier League (11.959 PPDA) Did you notice the number of the PPDA?
Know include this stat in game at the match stats panel and observe the number , to help you out a manage know ARMINIA 3rd tier budesliga and my PPDA is 5,9 EXCUSE ME 5,9 arminia How sim is this game you said ?
letsgo9 said: They released a small update, 200mb one, anyone knows the content? Expand Minor Update 24.2.1 Changelist (Steam, Epic & Microsoft)
Licensing / Database * - Removed some duplicated player photos in Japan. - Changes to the database in Germany.
Match Engine - Fixed a problem where all players appeared to look the same in game.
Bug Fixing - Various stability fixes. - Korean currency now shown in correct short/long format. - Restored the option to use custom manager profile picture. - Updated NewGen UID’s in backend. - Post match analysis report only showing one key finding. - User remains in charge of B teams after resigning.
Editor - Fixed issue with custom scores not appearing in game.
*Licensing and Database changes require starting a new save game for them to be applied.
Floppyaams said: As a Liverpool fan, this can't be further from the truth. Yes we pressed more than 20218/2019 in 2019/2020 but our pressing numbers were still lower than Klopp's beginning seasons.
Because they had more time on the ball instead of chasing it. I think this makes sense. If not I cant say anything more.
Floppyaams said: Manchester City is the exception, not the norm. Also, I would attribute their exception to their ability to retain possession so well. No other team in the world can dominate possession like them.
No it's not. Man City is combining Gegenpress + Control Possession in a level that they can do whatever they like. They can press in the whole game. I think this makes sense too.
Floppyaams said: Lastly, this is the most puzzling part for me because it's just a blatant lie, we did not have only 13-15 players in the season we won the league. We had a really strong bench during our UCL winning and EPL winning campaigns. We had a pretty good bench of Chamberlain, Keita, Lallana, Origi, Shaqiri, Lorvren, Milner, Gomez and some youth players. Most Liverpool fans still consider this to be the best bench we have had in recent times.
When I say he had 13-15 players all season I don't mean that there were that many players in the team but if you look at every game he played with the same eleven.
@Delicious and @dzek. Lads I appreciate your work on this site. It is mostly positive and helpful. I am a retired grandfather of 9. I live in a country that has 3 football games that have a bigger following than football (what we call soccer). I spend my time doing a fair bit of voluntary work and trying to get my grandkids to understand respect and enjoy the more simple things in life like bush walks.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate.
Mark said: @Delicious and @dzek. Lads I appreciate your work on this site. It is mostly positive and helpful. I am a retired grandfather of 9. I live in a country that has 3 football games that have a bigger following than football (what we call soccer). I spend my time doing a fair bit of voluntary work and trying to get my grandkids to understand respect and enjoy the more simple things in life like bush walks.
I have been playing FM since it was CM. I honestly think you should both stop now. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing this debate.
I agree. It would be good to have a constructive dialogue, to hear everyone's opinion but everyone can see where some people are going with their words.
dzek said: I agree @Mark. It would be good to have a constructive dialogue, to hear everyone's opinion but everyone can see where some people are going with their words.
My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it.
That would be the ideal scenario @Mark but when there are such attitudes, for me at least, I can't collaborate with those kind of people and also this isn't the first time. Good behavior comes first and then our "works"!
Mark said: My suggestion is to focus on the positive and let go of the negative. I am not taking sides. Many of your comments in other topics have been very positive. @Delicious work and analysis has been exceptional over the last few years. Work together to improve the experience for the community not against it.
Ye, i do understand that's useless to even go futher on gegenpress point, if he still can't understand how demanding gegen-press is/was isn't really my problem at this point.
- If people waste more time to check in-game what's going on and before to spouting a sentence, i wouldn't even say nothing. But that's not the case, usually my motto is "let them be".
So @dzek, will try to sentence this in a very easy concept :
YOU, after your favorite "company" announced while FM23 was running, FM25-Unity revolution - tons of marketing blabering, hold on , what about FM24?
It was like, marketing speaking they said : another "database Update" ; you can accept or deny it.
So, for me is already more then what i was literally expecting from the very beginning.
Now, you were attracted from their FM24 marketing campain, you are right about: you want what they promissed, i don't even know which point of their missing feature is disturbing you that much, to go nuts, but in a perfect world you would be right, but that's far from perfect.
- They already, mess-up again the "condition of players".
IF gegen-press is so low-demanding system on stamina, why it affect like that in game then?
Who should i thank for that? You? But from my little understanding you saying the contrary, so it's hard to believe that they listening your "reports".
Do you believe that's is easy task to filtrer all the pile of feedback they receiving from their clients pool?
After you answear to your self this point, let go to the next one : How much of those feedback are considerated "garbage" to them? Why should i (SI company) should i listen to you instead of another client, in reality why should i even consider "feedbacks" when i have all my well paid testers.
Guess going any further then this is pretty time wasting.
"usually my motto is let them be" hahahaha havent laughed so much in a long time. cheers
Delicious said: Ye, i do understand that's useless to even go futher on gegenpress point, if he still can't understand how demanding gegen-press is/was isn't really my problem at this point.
- If people waste more time to check in-game what's going on and before to spouting a sentence, i wouldn't even say nothing. But that's not the case, usually my motto is "let them be".
So @dzek, will try to sentence this in a very easy concept :
YOU, after your favorite "company" announced while FM23 was running, FM25-Unity revolution - tons of marketing blabering, hold on , what about FM24?
It was like, marketing speaking they said : another "database Update" ; you can accept or deny it.
So, for me is already more then what i was literally expecting from the very beginning.
Now, you were attracted from their FM24 marketing campain, you are right about: you want what they promissed, i don't even know which point of their missing feature is disturbing you that much, to go nuts, but in a perfect world you would be right, but that's far from perfect.
- They already, mess-up again the "condition of players".
IF gegen-press is so low-demanding system on stamina, why it affect like that in game then?
Who should i thank for that? You? But from my little understanding you saying the contrary, so it's hard to believe that they listening your "reports".
Do you believe that's is easy task to filtrer all the pile of feedback they receiving from their clients pool?
After you answear to your self this point, let go to the next one : How much of those feedback are considerated "garbage" to them? Why should i (SI company) should i listen to you instead of another client, in reality why should i even consider "feedbacks" when i have all my well paid testers.
Guess going any further then this is pretty time wasting.
Unfortunately the more you elaborate on the thread the more you make me think it's a complete waste of time discussing it with you.
The discussion ends here for me.
People need to stop crying about the game and start crying into their blanket instead. If the game is causing you problems, don't play it
After all these discussions, all these explanations, here comes @The Beast to tell us not to cry.
Well done đź‘Ź
dzek said: After all these discussions, all these explanations, here comes @The Beast to tell us not to cry.
Well done đź‘Ź
I am I the BEAST, and what I say is LAW!
I dont know about u guys, but im taking huge amounts of goals from set pieces. LoL
letsgo9 said: I dont know about u guys, but im taking huge amounts of goals from set pieces. LoL
You concede or score?
dzek said: You concede or score?
Conceding, with any top tactic
letsgo9 said: Conceding, with any top tactic
Do you use your own routines or do you leave it to your assistant?
dzek said: Do you use your own routines or do you leave it to your assistant?
zaz routine
i think im doing good with this routines @letsgo9
edit: its still december in my save btw
NandaldiaN said: i think im doing good with this routines @letsgo9
edit: its still december in my save btw
Please open a new thread here - https://fm-arena.com/board/13-set-piece-sharing-section/ and share your set pieces because here is a general discussion about FM.
NandaldiaN said: i think im doing good with this routines @letsgo9
edit: its still december in my save btw
Idk man, I meant set pieces in general. I tried 3 dif ones alrdy. Maybe is just my underdog team with bad jumpers.
dzek said: Please open a new thread here - https://fm-arena.com/board/13-set-piece-sharing-section/ and share your set pieces because here is a general discussion about FM.
Sorry just followed the topic you both were talking about and wanted to help
NandaldiaN said: Sorry just followed the topic you both were talking about and wanted to help
It's okay but you can create a new thread at the link above so others who might be interested in your routines can join in.
letsgo9 said: Idk man, I meant set pieces in general. I tried 3 dif ones alrdy. Maybe is just my underdog team with bad jumpers.
Hybrid marking, no posts, defend the box seems for me super strong rarely concede i think AI attacks much better the meta near posts so i do concede sometimes when in last patch very rarely
Its funny when you are 3-0 down at HT in the second leg and most of the options are to praise the players and your assistant recommends "thats one of the best halves of football I've ever seen" haha
keithb said: Its funny when you are 3-0 down at HT in the second leg and most of the options are to praise the players and your assistant recommends "thats one of the best halves of football I've ever seen" haha
Communication is the key!
I would also to tell my opinion about how sim is this game or not and how sim compare real soccer is that .
Let’s talk about counter press
Does any one “coach “ the counter press are measured in soccer ?The press in total ? By one only one advance stat called PPDA
What does PPDA stand for?
PPDA stands for passes per defensive action.
What is PPDA? What is passes per defensive action?
As the high press became a more prevalent part of football, and the use of data increased, attempts were made to quantify pressing. While simple data such as tackles and interceptions in the attacking third, or the opposition’s pass completion rate in their own half, can give some indication of how well a team presses, they have severe and understandable limitations. PPDA is an advanced metric that attempts to quantify the act of pressing in football in a more comprehensive (though, it’s important to say, not full) manner.
How is PPDA calculated?
PPDA focuses only on actions in the area of the pitch in which a team might reasonably execute a high press. The people that came up with PPDA decided on three-fifths (or 60%) of the pitch nearest the opposition’s goal. This is the whole of the opposition’s half, plus a fifth of their own half (below).
All that is the definition of PPDA
The game includes this stat and is of course a team stat
Does any one knows the best team of this stat this year and it’s PPDA?
To make it better those are the top 5 PPDAs leagues in Europe
Best Pressing Leagues in Europe (Big 5):
1 – La Liga (10.032 PPDA)
2 – Ligue 1 (10.847 PPDA)
3 – Serie A (11.504 PPDA)
4 – Bundesliga (11.915 PPDA)
5 – Premier League (11.959 PPDA)
Did you notice the number of the PPDA?
Know include this stat in game at the match stats panel and observe the number , to help you out a manage know ARMINIA 3rd tier budesliga and my PPDA is 5,9
EXCUSE ME 5,9 arminia
How sim is this game you said ?
They released a small update, 200mb one, anyone knows the content?
letsgo9 said: They released a small update, 200mb one, anyone knows the content?
You can see the patch notes on Steam. Seems to be minor stuff. Nothing with the game engine, from what I could tell.
letsgo9 said: They released a small update, 200mb one, anyone knows the content?
Minor Update 24.2.1 Changelist (Steam, Epic & Microsoft)
Licensing / Database *
- Removed some duplicated player photos in Japan.
- Changes to the database in Germany.
Match Engine
- Fixed a problem where all players appeared to look the same in game.
Bug Fixing
- Various stability fixes.
- Korean currency now shown in correct short/long format.
- Restored the option to use custom manager profile picture.
- Updated NewGen UID’s in backend.
- Post match analysis report only showing one key finding.
- User remains in charge of B teams after resigning.
Editor
- Fixed issue with custom scores not appearing in game.
*Licensing and Database changes require starting a new save game for them to be applied.
The m.e version in game is still 24.2.0.0 so nothing should have changed with respect to tactics etc.