duxa92 said: Have problems with CA growth for GKs, train them without role training, only double intensity Agility. Expand
GK are always harder to develop because their training schedules are conflicting with those from outfield players. You can find tables with the effect of training in all players, including GK, here.
@ZaZ how do I use the filters, you said one is to remove bad players and one is to find elite players, are we supposed to use them together, or increase certain attributes like only pace & accel for the min filter or all lmk
ZaZ said: GK are always harder to develop because their training schedules are conflicting with those from outfield players. You can find tables with the effect of training in all players, including GK, here. Expand
Zaz, thanks for reply. Do you use individual role traing for GKs or left it blank as for outfield players?
So is there any way to get more variations of this specific tactic for different situations? Like for example if you are playing against way stronger opponent and you want to be careful and happy with 1-0 or even 0-0 and not playing very attacking? Or eventually if you want to close down the game after scoring goal and leading lets say 1-0 against way stronger opponent etc?
OpticFawn said: @ZaZ how do I use the filters, you said one is to remove bad players and one is to find elite players, are we supposed to use them together, or increase certain attributes like only pace & accel for the min filter or all lmk Expand
The problem of filters is that a very good player can be filtered out. For example, the elite filter can remove a player with very high attributes, but only 9 in Work Rate. The basic filter would keep that player, but would also show a big number of worse players. In the end, it is all about "fishing" for the right players.
duxa92 said: Zaz, thanks for reply. Do you use individual role traing for GKs or left it blank as for outfield players? Expand
Personally I use individual role training for all positions. GK trains for goalkeeper, flank players training for opposite side, and MC training for AMC (and vice versa). That allows me to focus on four positions other than goalkeeper, making much easier to manage the squad.
deegenom said: So is there any way to get more variations of this specific tactic for different situations? Like for example if you are playing against way stronger opponent and you want to be careful and happy with 1-0 or even 0-0 and not playing very attacking? Or eventually if you want to close down the game after scoring goal and leading lets say 1-0 against way stronger opponent etc? Expand
I tried to make some variants that concede less goals, but did not have much success. If you are desperate to score, on the other hand, then you can simply change mentality to Very Attacking.
ZaZ said: I tried to make some variants that concede less goals, but did not have much success. If you are desperate to score, on the other hand, then you can simply change mentality to Very Attacking. Expand
I am more interested into opposite, "keeping result" after leading against much better opponent and stuff like that because this tactic is very good against similar opponents but it is challenging when facing stronger opponent and you want to keep current result.
deegenom said: I am more interested into opposite, "keeping result" after leading against much better opponent and stuff like that because this tactic is very good against similar opponents but it is challenging when facing stronger opponent and you want to keep current result. Expand
Ive got so much problem winning the tougher away games in PL. Though im am a top team. Trying all the recommended tweaks but nothing ever helps vs City and Liverpool away..
jersve said: Ive got so much problem winning the tougher away games in PL. Though im am a top team. Trying all the recommended tweaks but nothing ever helps vs City and Liverpool away.. Expand
Some matches are supposed to be simply harder. If you could easily win against City and Liverpool away, or other top teams of the game, then there would not be much to do in the game.
Chatin said: Hello @ZaZ Since there are 4 workouts, how should I use them? 1 per week or whichever one I like best? Expand
There are two workouts, each of them with versions for 1 and 2 matches in the week. My recommendation is to use Growth 3 times per month, and Rebalance 1 time per month (so, 3:1).
@ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first?
Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
WesleySantiago said: @ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first? Expand
ggrpereira said: Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
WesleySantiago said: @ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first? Expand
It is hard to quantify, because I would rather go for balance instead of focusing too much in a single position. That means I would prioritize positions with less performant players (often the slower ones). If the team is well balanced, then I would prioritize the main goal scorers first, like wingers and shadow striker. After that, I would go for wingbacks and central midfielders, and finally defenders and goalkeeper.
ggrpereira said: Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
Thanks! Expand
The attributes for most positions is the same, with some small differences here or there. For example, central defenders benefit more from jumping than dribbling, while flank players benefit more from dribbling than jumping reach. Central defenders also benefit much less from stamina than flank players, but I feel like they benefit much more from anticipation. No matter what, all of them benefit greatly from pace and acceleration, so those should always be the primary focus.
Keep in mind that is just my perception, but it is very hard to test the impact of attributes in different positions, since each player is only responsible for a small part of the team performance.
Added a link about opponent instructions to the first post.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/18744-opposition-instructions/
Unbelievable tactic, well done. Congratulations
Tested with Burnley on console and achieved 4th with no transfers
FMTony said: Unbelievable tactic, well done. Congratulations
Tested with Burnley on console and achieved 4th with no transfers
Thank you for testing!
Have problems with CA growth for GKs, train them without role training, only double intensity Agility.
duxa92 said: Have problems with CA growth for GKs, train them without role training, only double intensity Agility.
GK are always harder to develop because their training schedules are conflicting with those from outfield players. You can find tables with the effect of training in all players, including GK, here.
Main issue is that it's really hard to give them playing time. With enough minutes they develop just fine with these schedules.
I can use a Center Forward or a Target Man for this tactic?
metalhead said: I can use a Center Forward or a Target Man for this tactic?
You can, at the cost of lower performance.
@ZaZ how do I use the filters, you said one is to remove bad players and one is to find elite players, are we supposed to use them together, or increase certain attributes like only pace & accel for the min filter or all lmk
ZaZ said: GK are always harder to develop because their training schedules are conflicting with those from outfield players. You can find tables with the effect of training in all players, including GK, here.
Zaz, thanks for reply. Do you use individual role traing for GKs or left it blank as for outfield players?
So is there any way to get more variations of this specific tactic for different situations? Like for example if you are playing against way stronger opponent and you want to be careful and happy with 1-0 or even 0-0 and not playing very attacking? Or eventually if you want to close down the game after scoring goal and leading lets say 1-0 against way stronger opponent etc?
OpticFawn said: @ZaZ how do I use the filters, you said one is to remove bad players and one is to find elite players, are we supposed to use them together, or increase certain attributes like only pace & accel for the min filter or all lmk
The problem of filters is that a very good player can be filtered out. For example, the elite filter can remove a player with very high attributes, but only 9 in Work Rate. The basic filter would keep that player, but would also show a big number of worse players. In the end, it is all about "fishing" for the right players.
duxa92 said: Zaz, thanks for reply. Do you use individual role traing for GKs or left it blank as for outfield players?
Personally I use individual role training for all positions. GK trains for goalkeeper, flank players training for opposite side, and MC training for AMC (and vice versa). That allows me to focus on four positions other than goalkeeper, making much easier to manage the squad.
deegenom said: So is there any way to get more variations of this specific tactic for different situations? Like for example if you are playing against way stronger opponent and you want to be careful and happy with 1-0 or even 0-0 and not playing very attacking? Or eventually if you want to close down the game after scoring goal and leading lets say 1-0 against way stronger opponent etc?
I tried to make some variants that concede less goals, but did not have much success. If you are desperate to score, on the other hand, then you can simply change mentality to Very Attacking.
ZaZ said: I tried to make some variants that concede less goals, but did not have much success. If you are desperate to score, on the other hand, then you can simply change mentality to Very Attacking.
I am more interested into opposite, "keeping result" after leading against much better opponent and stuff like that because this tactic is very good against similar opponents but it is challenging when facing stronger opponent and you want to keep current result.
deegenom said: I am more interested into opposite, "keeping result" after leading against much better opponent and stuff like that because this tactic is very good against similar opponents but it is challenging when facing stronger opponent and you want to keep current result.
Mark test the effect of Very Defensive mentality, and it seems to be useful at conceding less goals, at the cost of heavily reducing your chances to score.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/17317-mdw-343-standard-vdef/
Ive got so much problem winning the tougher away games in PL. Though im am a top team. Trying all the recommended tweaks but nothing ever helps vs City and Liverpool away..
jersve said: Ive got so much problem winning the tougher away games in PL. Though im am a top team. Trying all the recommended tweaks but nothing ever helps vs City and Liverpool away..
Some matches are supposed to be simply harder. If you could easily win against City and Liverpool away, or other top teams of the game, then there would not be much to do in the game.
Hello, you use any filter for GK's like you have for pitch players for the best atributes to watch?
Babuxa said: Hello, you use any filter for GK's like you have for pitch players for the best atributes to watch?
Filter for agility and reflexes mainly, maybe a tie breaker on aerial reach?
Babuxa said: Hello, you use any filter for GK's like you have for pitch players for the best atributes to watch?
GKs have much less influence than other players, but I often look mostly for Agility and Reflexes.
With a man down due to cards, who do you recommend taking out?
Piotting said: With a man down due to cards, who do you recommend taking out?
SS is the one to sacrifice.
Hello @ZaZ Since there are 4 workouts, how should I use them? 1 per week or whichever one I like best?
Chatin said: Hello @ZaZ Since there are 4 workouts, how should I use them? 1 per week or whichever one I like best?
There are two workouts, each of them with versions for 1 and 2 matches in the week. My recommendation is to use Growth 3 times per month, and Rebalance 1 time per month (so, 3:1).
@ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first?
Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
Thanks!
WesleySantiago said: @ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first?
My take on it:
1. Wingers
2. Wingbacks
3. Central Midfielders
4. Shadow Striker
5. Centerbacks
6. Goalkeeper
ggrpereira said: Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
Thanks!
Pacey.
WesleySantiago said: @ZaZ What would you say is the order of importance of the positions? The most important positions in the tactic? Can you give me an order so I can decide which position to choose the best player for first?
It is hard to quantify, because I would rather go for balance instead of focusing too much in a single position. That means I would prioritize positions with less performant players (often the slower ones). If the team is well balanced, then I would prioritize the main goal scorers first, like wingers and shadow striker. After that, I would go for wingbacks and central midfielders, and finally defenders and goalkeeper.
ggrpereira said: Hi! I’m trying to better understand what kind of players suit each position in this tactic.
Could you briefly describe the ideal profiles per role (key attributes, traits, physical/mental focus)? I’ve seen the filters, but I’d like a clearer idea of what to look for when evaluating players.
Thanks!
The attributes for most positions is the same, with some small differences here or there. For example, central defenders benefit more from jumping than dribbling, while flank players benefit more from dribbling than jumping reach. Central defenders also benefit much less from stamina than flank players, but I feel like they benefit much more from anticipation. No matter what, all of them benefit greatly from pace and acceleration, so those should always be the primary focus.
Keep in mind that is just my perception, but it is very hard to test the impact of attributes in different positions, since each player is only responsible for a small part of the team performance.
Hi ZaZ, for wingers do you recommend having a false foot?
Azertymag said: Hi ZaZ, for wingers do you recommend having a false foot?
To be fair, I do not see much difference with either foot. I even train them in the other side so they can fit in two positions without an issue.
Hi ZaZ, does it matter which leg the wings are on?