ZaZ's Log

by ZaZ, Oct 23, 2021

I just thought about making a log of discoveries from my tests, so people avoid testing the same things. To be clear, I'll be posting what works and what doesn't work under the conditions of my testing, but results could be different under different conditions. Feel free to share your findings here too.

Roles and positions
Spoiler - TF-At > P-At, AF-At, F9-At, T-At > TF-Su, DLP-At > SS-At.
- For two strikers, best combination is two TF-At.
- IW-At, WM-At > IW-At (AM), RMD-At (AM), W-Su, DW-Su > W-Su (AM), W-At (AM).
- DLP-Su > DM-De.
- IWB-Su, WB-Su, FB-At > WB-Su (DM), IWB-At, FB-Su, WB-At, CWB-At.
- BPD-De, CD-De > WCB-De > WCB-Su.
- CM-At and two IW-At > three CM-At.
- CM-At and two TF-At > two CM-At and one TF-At.
- CM-At and DLP-Su > two DLP-Su, two RMP-Su.

- DW-Su + AF-At > DW-Su + TF-At

Team Instructions
Spoiler - Very high tempo > neutral tempo.
- Press much more often > neutral pressing.
- Much higher line of engagement > neutral line of engagement.
- Standard passing > more direct passing, shorter passing.
- Very attacking mentality > positive, attacking, cautious, balanced.
- Standard width > narrow, wide.
- Standard defensive line > much higher defensive line, much lower defensive line.
- Blank > overlap flanks, underlap flanks.
- Blank > force opposition outside, force opposition inside.
- Blank > pass into space.
- Blank > slow pace down.


Player Instructions
Spoiler - Take more risks > not take more risks.
- Cross less often > cross more often, blank.


IMPORTANT NOTE: These results are valid for the setup I'm testing. It is possibly valid for other different setups, but some combinations can create synergy and work better than each element individually. For example, WCB-Su didn't perform well for me, but it might perform well in combination with Cautious mentality and three DMs (I didn't test that, it's just an example). Since time is limited, it's not possible to test all different combinations.

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ZaZ said: - W-Su on AML/R position didn't perform well.

do yo mean that on AML/R position
better we give IF / IW role or maybe W (at)?

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dakka said: do yo mean that on AML/R position
better we give IF / IW role or maybe W (at)?


I didn't test other roles for AML/R yet, but I got the feeling that wingers are better at ML/R than AML/R, just like in FM2021.

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ZaZ said: I didn't test other roles for AML/R yet, but I got the feeling that wingers are better at ML/R than AML/R, just like in FM2021.

Obviously not a proper test but i've had better results with "High Voltage" than "FANATIC".

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Will be following this thread. Thanks for the inputs everyone.

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Just a quick observation from playing a few games, but I score a lot of goals from winger getting to the byline -> getting a low cross in the box -> forward finishing. Maybe it's just a coincidence, or maybe exploiting flanks is strong on this engine, will have to test more.

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ZaZ said: - WB-Su on WBR/L position didn't perform well.

This will be the formation causing it. They perform fantastically for me.

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Egraam said: Just a quick observation from playing a few games, but I score a lot of goals from winger getting to the byline -> getting a low cross in the box -> forward finishing. Maybe it's just a coincidence, or maybe exploiting flanks is strong on this engine, will have to test more.

Heading does seem really strong, i've seen people saying Ronaldo is more superhuman than he is IRL from crosses. I also got rinsed 6-2 from Burnley with 5 goals coming from headers.

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I'm first checking the basic shape, then I will start playing with team instructions. Thank you all for the input!

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Can confirm: Crossings, Header are sssstrrrrr0nkkk! :O
Waiting for ZaZ to make magic happen. ♥

Have a great time playing FM or whatever. :)

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Nebuuuu said: Can confirm: Crossings, Header are sssstrrrrr0nkkk! :O
Waiting for ZaZ to make magic happen. ♥

Have a great time playing FM or whatever. :)


Thanks, but I'm not a magician, just got lucky to have the best tactic last edition. There were a dozen of other tactics very close. Gonna try high crossing soon.

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ZaZ said: Thanks, but I'm not a magician, just got lucky to have the best tactic last edition. There were a dozen of other tactics very close. Gonna try high crossing soon.

It seems there's also a high percentage of long shot goals. They changed the match engine to make the long shots look more appealing, but with a lot of games when they change something like that it usually means the mechanic will be strong. Might just be placebo who knows.

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fb-su performed better than wb-su
w-at performed better than w-su (on mr/l positions)
for me

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Corners are even stronger than they were before (same routine as last year)

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Egraam said: Corners are even stronger than they were before (same routine as last year)



That's absurd! I wonder if play for set pieces also increase corners.

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Egraam said: Corners are even stronger than they were before (same routine as last year)



Long throw-ins are strong again too, maybe not quite what they were at their peak in the beginning of 21 but definitely a good goal scoring opportunity again.

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I finally managed to get something good, after many tries. Gonna post it soon after some more refining (need to play it and see in practice for at least a season). @Zippo, testing will start after game release, right? I mean, after beta is over?

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ZaZ said: @Zippo, testing will start after game release, right? I mean, after beta is over?

Yes. That's correct.

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ZaZ said: I finally managed to get something good, after many tries. Gonna post it soon after some more refining (need to play it and see in practice for at least a season). @Zippo, testing will start after game release, right? I mean, after beta is over?

do you think acceleration, pace, agility and dribbling are just as good as in fm21?

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ArsenalHighbury said: do you think acceleration, pace, agility and dribbling are just as good as in fm21?

It most likely is, since mobility will always be key in any kind of activity that requires moving. I'll be very surprised if those are not the most important attributes in FM22.

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Pace and Acceleration have been important attributes in just about every version of FM that I have played

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ZaZ said: I just thought about making a log of discoveries from my tests, so people avoid testing the same things. To be clear, I'll be posting what works and what doesn't work under the conditions of my testing, but results could be different under different conditions. Feel free to share your findings here too.

- AF-At performs better than SS-At.
- W-Su performs similar to DW-Su.
- W-Su on AML/R position didn't perform well.
- WB-Su on WBR/L position didn't perform well.
- Very High tempo performs better than neutral tempo.
- WCB-Su didn't perform well.
- Press much more often performs better than neutral pressing.
- Much higher line of engagement performs better than neutral line of engagement.
- Neutral passing performs better than more direct passing or shorter passing.
- Take more risks performs better than not take more risks.
- Very attacking mentality performs better than positive, which performs better than attacking.
- Neutral width performs better than narrow or wide.
- WCB-De performs better than WCB-Su.
- CM-At instead of DW-Su has similar performance.
- IW-At instead of DW-Su has better performance.


The point cm-at instead of dw-su... Is it correct? Or mistyping?

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ptacts said: The point cm-at instead of dw-su... Is it correct? Or mistyping?

Three CM-At instead of one CM-At and two wingers. I made it clearer in the main post.

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ZaZ said: Three CM-At instead of one CM-At and two wingers. I made it clearer in the main post.

Thanks for the info, maybe i missed it

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ptacts said: Thanks for the info, maybe i missed it

I mean, I changed in the main post because it was confusing. After you said it I noticed I should make it clearer, so I edited to state clearly "three CM-At instead of one CM-At and two DW-Su".

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I'd love to see some sort of 3-4-1-2 working with WCB (maybe on attack since support doesn't seem that great ?) and on the flanks maybe something else than WB-Su since it doesn't seem great there. But it's not like there is nothing else, we have CWB, IWB, … or maybe no WB but Defensive Wingers if it's not too attacking. Curious about that.

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Zaz, are your results based on your FM2021 tactics?

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Evilswarmer said: Zaz, are your results based on your FM2021 tactics?

Blue 3.0 was the starting point, but it's not very good on FM22 beta. Now, the tactic has Very Attacking mentality, IW-At by the wings and AF-At at the front.

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ZaZ said: Blue 3.0 was the starting point, but it's not very good on FM22 beta. Now, the tactic has Very Attacking mentality, IW-At by the wings and AF-At at the front.

So, in the end, what to choose for the greatest efficiency? With two If-At and two AF-At? And what are the roles of the central midfielders?
And are you sure that the very attacking mentality is much better than the positive one in this beta?

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Sane said: So, in the end, what to choose for the greatest efficiency? With two If-At and two AF-At? And what are the roles of the central midfielders?
And are you sure that the very attacking mentality is much better than the positive one in this beta?


I'm playing on balanced with my tactic, also had more success with Attacking and Cautious than with Positive. Positive just seems not be it on this engine, at least for me.

(results with balanced)

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