So tell me something ZaZ, I use, ZaZ - Blue DM (Double Tweaked) because I like the players' positions more, if I implement your set pieces in this tactic it will work better too??
Farinhoto said: So tell me something ZaZ, I use, ZaZ - Blue DM (Double Tweaked) because I like the players' positions more, if I implement your set pieces in this tactic it will work better too??
Thanks!! Expand
I don't think there will be much difference because they didn't have the same problem with throw ins. That doesn't mean you can't use the tweaked versions, they are still very good.
I just added one version with Wingers in AML/R position instead of Defensive Wingers. Roles are as shown in the picture. I have tested all roles to substitute DW, including Mezzala and Carrillero, and that role/position has the best performance, with similar results. Depending on your players, you can also mix and have one side with DW and another with advanced W.
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place.
Blue 3.2 with my Lazio. Took them over season before this. Tons of debt, I just signed Gnonto and Arthur on a free. UCL against Dortmund, I turned it around.
ZaZ said: I just added one version with Wingers in AML/R position instead of Defensive Wingers. Roles are as shown in the picture. I have tested all roles to substitute DW, including Mezzala and Carrillero, and that role/position has the best performance, with similar results. Depending on your players, you can also mix and have one side with DW and another with advanced W.
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place. Expand
DeviAngel said: Blue 3.2 with my Lazio. Took them over season before this. Tons of debt, I just signed Gnonto and Arthur on a free. UCL against Dortmund, I turned it around.
Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW doesn’t effective for them. What role can I set for my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness?
Flunshexmex said: Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW does not effective for them. What role can I set my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness? Expand
Read "Role Ability" in the first post and check "Blue 3.2 AW".
Flunshexmex said: Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW does not effective for them. What role can I set my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness? Expand
Ignore the role suitability because it means nothing
if they can play on DL/R positions then use "ZaZ - Blue 3.2" tactic and if they can only play on AML/R positions then use "ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW" tactic
I meant something else, will the role of inside forward be as effective as W and DW? I would like Raphinha and Harrison to score more goals. I hope you understand what I mean
Flunshexmex said: I meant something else, will the role of inside forwards be as effective as W and DW? I would like Raphinha and Harrison to score more goals. I hope you understand what I mean Expand
The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is how many goals a team scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be a inside forward or at least have an attack duty.
ZaZ said: The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is who scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be an inside forward or at least have an attack duty. Expand
thx for answering! I will try to test this tactic with the inside - role for my wingers
Solaris said: I find ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW also works well with weak teams.
I've tried it with Norwich, predicted 20th and got 67 points which I find a very good result.
Btw, I didn't make any transfers.
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Thanks for testing!
I would like to ask something from anyone that tests the tactic. If possible, keep an eye on set pieces and tell me where you are conceding more goals, if on near or far post (for corner, direct and indirect free kicks). Thanks in advance!
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers!
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers! Expand
P.S.: To answer your question, the tweak you propose would be worse than original Blue 3.2 AW. It would still get 5.8+, but I can't say if it would reach the 6.0 mark or higher than that. You can always create a new thread asking them to test it here.
Guidito said: Do you reckon we could also test this one? Curious to see how it fares against 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) Expand If @Zippo ok with it, I will create a new thread. Or maybe if @ZaZ can add this one to OP, It will be tested automatically.
ta2199 said: If @Zippo ok with it, I will create a new thread. Or maybe if @ZaZ can add this one to OP, It will be tested automatically. Expand Hey,
What do you want to test in that tactic ? I mean what is the difference between that tactic and 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) ? If it's only some of the defensive set pieces then unlikely it would make any meaningful difference. Both tactics have similar attacking throw-ins ( default "mixed" ) and corners ( near post ) routines which are the main set pieces. Am I missing something here?
What do you want to test in that tactic ? I mean what is the difference between that tactic and 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) ? If it's only some of the defensive set pieces then unlikely it would make any meaningful difference. Both tactics have similar attacking throw-ins ( default "mixed" ) and corners ( near post ) routines which are the main set pieces. Am I missing something here? Expand Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much. Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65. I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD.
ta2199 said: Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much. Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65. I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD. Expand I suggest you checking the changes between Blue DM and Blue 3.2.
@ZaZ put them under a spoiler ( the opening post ).
Blue DM -> Blue DMBlue 3.2: - Default throw-in attack routine. - Force Opposition Outside.
ta2199 said: Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much. Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65. I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD. Expand
The main difference that caused Blue 3.2 to increase score was the throw in routine, not the Force Opposition Outside. Previous routine was harming the tactic.
OK ZaZ, tks
So tell me something ZaZ, I use, ZaZ - Blue DM (Double Tweaked) because I like the players' positions more, if I implement your set pieces in this tactic it will work better too??
Thanks!!
Farinhoto said: So tell me something ZaZ, I use, ZaZ - Blue DM (Double Tweaked) because I like the players' positions more, if I implement your set pieces in this tactic it will work better too??
Thanks!!
I don't think there will be much difference because they didn't have the same problem with throw ins. That doesn't mean you can't use the tweaked versions, they are still very good.
@ZaZ, the attacking corners haven't changed?
Bogeyman said: @ZaZ, the attacking corners haven't changed?
No, but since it loses less possession in throw ins, it possibly gets more corners, which results in more goals.
I just added one version with Wingers in AML/R position instead of Defensive Wingers. Roles are as shown in the picture. I have tested all roles to substitute DW, including Mezzala and Carrillero, and that role/position has the best performance, with similar results. Depending on your players, you can also mix and have one side with DW and another with advanced W.
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place.
Blue 3.2 with my Lazio. Took them over season before this. Tons of debt, I just signed Gnonto and Arthur on a free. UCL against Dortmund, I turned it around.
Thanks zaz, thanks for another masterpiece.
ZaZ said: I just added one version with Wingers in AML/R position instead of Defensive Wingers. Roles are as shown in the picture. I have tested all roles to substitute DW, including Mezzala and Carrillero, and that role/position has the best performance, with similar results. Depending on your players, you can also mix and have one side with DW and another with advanced W.
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place.
That's awesome. It gives us more options.
DeviAngel said: Blue 3.2 with my Lazio. Took them over season before this. Tons of debt, I just signed Gnonto and Arthur on a free. UCL against Dortmund, I turned it around.
Gratz!
ta2199 said: Also I did a W and CM version for anyone who doesn't want to do it themselves.
Do you reckon we could also test this one? Curious to see how it fares against 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak )
Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW doesn’t effective for them. What role can I set for my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness?
Flunshexmex said: Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW does not effective for them. What role can I set my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness?
Read "Role Ability" in the first post and check "Blue 3.2 AW".
Flunshexmex said: Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW does not effective for them. What role can I set my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness?
Ignore the role suitability because it means nothing
if they can play on DL/R positions then use "ZaZ - Blue 3.2" tactic and if they can only play on AML/R positions then use "ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW" tactic
I meant something else, will the role of inside forward be as effective as W and DW? I would like Raphinha and Harrison to score more goals. I hope you understand what I mean
Flunshexmex said: I meant something else, will the role of inside forwards be as effective as W and DW? I would like Raphinha and Harrison to score more goals. I hope you understand what I mean
The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is how many goals a team scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be a inside forward or at least have an attack duty.
ZaZ said: The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is who scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be an inside forward or at least have an attack duty.
thx for answering! I will try to test this tactic with the inside - role for my wingers
ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW
Man Utd, the 1st season
Champions Cup Final
Chewbacca said: ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW
Man Utd, the 1st season
Champions Cup Final
At least in the game they can pay back for the 5-0.
I find ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW also works well with weak teams.
I've tried it with Norwich, predicted 20th and got 67 points which I find a very good result.
Btw, I didn't make any transfers.
Solaris said: I find ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW also works well with weak teams.
I've tried it with Norwich, predicted 20th and got 67 points which I find a very good result.
Btw, I didn't make any transfers.
Thanks for testing!
I would like to ask something from anyone that tests the tactic. If possible, keep an eye on set pieces and tell me where you are conceding more goals, if on near or far post (for corner, direct and indirect free kicks). Thanks in advance!
Hi @ZaZ ,
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers!
MisterCMS said: Hi @ZaZ ,
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers!
There are already good tactics in this shape. For example: https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2490-martin-snoop-4231/
P.S.: To answer your question, the tweak you propose would be worse than original Blue 3.2 AW. It would still get 5.8+, but I can't say if it would reach the 6.0 mark or higher than that. You can always create a new thread asking them to test it here.
Chewbacca said: ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW
Man Utd, the 1st season
Champions Cup Final
This tactic is powerful.
Well done ZAZ
Guidito said: Do you reckon we could also test this one? Curious to see how it fares against 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak )
If @Zippo ok with it, I will create a new thread. Or maybe if @ZaZ can add this one to OP, It will be tested automatically.
ta2199 said: If @Zippo ok with it, I will create a new thread. Or maybe if @ZaZ can add this one to OP, It will be tested automatically.
Hey,
What do you want to test in that tactic ? I mean what is the difference between that tactic and 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) ? If it's only some of the defensive set pieces then unlikely it would make any meaningful difference. Both tactics have similar attacking throw-ins ( default "mixed" ) and corners ( near post ) routines which are the main set pieces. Am I missing something here?
Zippo said: Hey,
What do you want to test in that tactic ? I mean what is the difference between that tactic and 4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) ? If it's only some of the defensive set pieces then unlikely it would make any meaningful difference. Both tactics have similar attacking throw-ins ( default "mixed" ) and corners ( near post ) routines which are the main set pieces. Am I missing something here?
Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much.
Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65.
I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD.
ta2199 said: Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much.
Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65.
I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD.
I suggest you checking the changes between Blue DM and Blue 3.2.
@ZaZ put them under a spoiler ( the opening post ).
Blue DM -> Blue DMBlue 3.2:
- Default throw-in attack routine.
- Force Opposition Outside.
4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) tactic by @Albert already has those changes. It uses "Default throw-in attack routine" and has "Force Opposition Outside" TI.
Zippo said: I suggest you checking the changes between Blue DM and Blue 3.2.
@ZaZ put them under a spoiler ( the opening post ).
Blue DM -> Blue DMBlue 3.2:
- Default throw-in attack routine.
- Force Opposition Outside.
4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak ) tactic by @Albert already has those changes. It uses "Default throw-in attack routine" and has "Force Opposition Outside" TI.
Oh sorry, i missed that. Tks for the info
ta2199 said: Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much.
Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65.
I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD.
The main difference that caused Blue 3.2 to increase score was the throw in routine, not the Force Opposition Outside. Previous routine was harming the tactic.