As we know pace and acceleration are the most important attributes in players. Is it possible to bias those stats in youth intake? Would hiring a HoYD whose coaching style is fitness (which as far as I can tell just means he has a high fitness attribute) have any effect? Is there another way?
I'm not sure the head of youth development (hoyd) coaching attributes will impact youth intake, I know reputation and formation are important, well formation is important as its best to get a good hoyd whose preferred formation is similar to yours so that he brings in youth players for them roles (hopefully) but I've not read anything that suggests coaching attributes impacts the attributes of players in the intake.
CBP87 said: I'm not sure the head of youth development (hoyd) coaching attributes will impact youth intake, I know reputation and formation are important, well formation is important as its best to get a good hoyd whose preferred formation is similar to yours so that he brings in youth players for them roles (hopefully) but I've not read anything that suggests coaching attributes impacts the attributes of players in the intake.
I like your thinking though Expand
I am not sure HoYD reputation has an effect. I've heard conflicting info. Personality is the most important element.
I always struggle with formation because of the uniqueness of the tactics shared here, so i just try to tick as many positional boxes as possible
This is my intake checklist from the research I've done: Nation Rating and Game Importance defines quality/quantity in the country Highest Youth recruitment brings best talent in country Club repuation sperates same recruitment level Youth facilities and junior coaching decide CA and PA HOYD = position and personality
Reputation plays a part, the better the reputation the more likely you'll get an excellent intake. Ill try and find the chat on the SI forum which confirmed it. The other things you've listed there are important too especially personality
CBP87 said: Reputation plays a part, the better the reputation the more likely you'll get an excellent intake. Ill try and find the chat on the SI forum which confirmed it. The other things you've listed there are important too especially personality Expand
Thanks, id appreciate that because like I said Ive not seen anything conclusive but doesn't mean its not out there
CBP87 said: Nor do I mate, think I got my wires crossed with reputation and personality Expand
I still think its not clear whether reputation has an effect. Ive seen multiple sources claim both ways and Ive never seen official source comment either way. I ignore but I could be wrong
Middleweight165 said: I still think its not clear whether reputation has an effect. Ive seen multiple sources claim both ways and Ive never seen official source comment either way. I ignore but I could be wrong Expand
I think reputation is more around recruitment, so I would say it would benefit DoF and potentially technical directors if you have them recruiting staff
but I still can't find anything solid about how reputation play's a part Expand
I dont think thats true. JPP JPA are reporting stats and WWY is a coaching stat from what I've read. i dont believe any of these effect the players coming through the door
Them 3 attributes are classed as key attributes in game and all the sites I've been on are saying these attributes are needed for a good hoyd. As there is a consistency with these attributes appearing on all these different sites, I would say that they are key to having a good hoyd
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff.
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff. Expand
Do you have the weighting table for staff, and if so could you please share it. Thanks
CBP87 said: Them 3 attributes are classed as key attributes in game and all the sites I've been on are saying these attributes are needed for a good hoyd. As there is a consistency with these attributes appearing on all these different sites, I would say that they are key to having a good hoyd Expand
They're classed as important attirbutes in the game, but I think thats due to how they are used in the game once the youth players are in the 'building' but we are speaking specifically about the recruitment part.
If you use the HoYD to give you reports on your youth players then a higher JPA-JPP is essential but I dont, but in the recruitment stage I dont believe those two stats have any effect.
WWY attribute, i believe is a coaching stat so if you use your HOYD as a coach its important but in the recruitment process again I dont think it has any effect
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff. Expand
But we were talking specifically about recruitment. Its no doubt all these attributes are important in different tasks required by the HOYD but we are trying to pinpoint which one has an effect on the quality of your intake
Middleweight165 said: But we were talking specifically about recruitment. Its no doubt all these attributes are important in different tasks required by the HOYD but we are trying to pinpoint which one has an effect on the quality of your intake Expand
All of that plays a role. Like preferred formation of HoYD which has 433 DM Wide, you will often players in ST, AMLR, DM etc positions, not AMC or ML for example (will be rare).
cadoni said: All of that plays a role. Like preferred formation of HoYD which has 433 DM Wide, you will often players in ST, AMLR, DM etc positions, not AMC or ML for example (will be rare). Expand
In terms of recruitment and the quality of player in the intake?
Middleweight165 said: In terms of recruitment and the quality of player in the intake? Expand
Recruitment, the HOYD will look for players to fit his preferred formation. HOYD preferred formation doesnt plays a part in the quality brought through. Quality is based on other factors. Reputation isn't one of them
CBP87 said: Recruitment, the HOYD will look for players to fit his preferred formation. HOYD preferred formation doesnt plays a part in the quality brought through. Quality is based on other factors. Reputation isn't one of them Expand
I should have specified. I meant the "all of that plays a role" part of the post. I don't believe it does. Preferred formation and personality yes, the rest no, in my opinion
Middleweight165 said: I should have specified. I meant the "all of that plays a role" part of the post. I don't believe it does. Preferred formation and personality yes, the rest no, in my opinion Expand
Formation will play a role in what positions are brought through the intake but the other factors such as personality will determine how many good personalities you get but for me, the youth intake is a lottery. if you get the best facilities, recruitment and coaching then for me your chances of getting a superstar go up. In terms of attributes of the HOYD, I don't the coaching attributes will play a part.
Ill be honest, I am still adamant that I've read from a reliable source that reputation plays a part as the higher the reputation the HOYD has then the more likely the best youth players will want to play for them. But I can't remember where I read it and it's since been said on the SI forums that it doesn't matter so hey ho
From HoYD I would say that Negotiating & Working with Youngsters is two key attributes; since that role working (and negotiating) with players before they appear in the game (like U16 for example).
As we know pace and acceleration are the most important attributes in players. Is it possible to bias those stats in youth intake? Would hiring a HoYD whose coaching style is fitness (which as far as I can tell just means he has a high fitness attribute) have any effect? Is there another way?
I'm not sure the head of youth development (hoyd) coaching attributes will impact youth intake, I know reputation and formation are important, well formation is important as its best to get a good hoyd whose preferred formation is similar to yours so that he brings in youth players for them roles (hopefully) but I've not read anything that suggests coaching attributes impacts the attributes of players in the intake.
I like your thinking though
CBP87 said: I'm not sure the head of youth development (hoyd) coaching attributes will impact youth intake, I know reputation and formation are important, well formation is important as its best to get a good hoyd whose preferred formation is similar to yours so that he brings in youth players for them roles (hopefully) but I've not read anything that suggests coaching attributes impacts the attributes of players in the intake.
I like your thinking though
I am not sure HoYD reputation has an effect. I've heard conflicting info. Personality is the most important element.
I always struggle with formation because of the uniqueness of the tactics shared here, so i just try to tick as many positional boxes as possible
This is my intake checklist from the research I've done:
Nation Rating and Game Importance defines quality/quantity in the country
Highest Youth recruitment brings best talent in country
Club repuation sperates same recruitment level
Youth facilities and junior coaching decide CA and PA
HOYD = position and personality
Reputation plays a part, the better the reputation the more likely you'll get an excellent intake. Ill try and find the chat on the SI forum which confirmed it. The other things you've listed there are important too especially personality
CBP87 said: Reputation plays a part, the better the reputation the more likely you'll get an excellent intake. Ill try and find the chat on the SI forum which confirmed it. The other things you've listed there are important too especially personality
Thanks, id appreciate that because like I said Ive not seen anything conclusive but doesn't mean its not out there
In fact I might be getting reputation and personality mixed up
don't trust a word I say haha
CBP87 said: In fact I might be getting reputation and personality mixed up
don't trust a word I say haha
Ha ok, I don't know what to believe now
I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure the player can only "control" initial CA and PA of youth players.
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/525900-which-head-of-youth-development-is-better/
found this where a couple of mods have commented
CBP87 said: https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/525900-which-head-of-youth-development-is-better/
found this where a couple of mods have commented
Correct me if Im wrong, but I dont see any reference to HoYD reputation
Nor do I mate, think I got my wires crossed with reputation and personality
CBP87 said: Nor do I mate, think I got my wires crossed with reputation and personality
I still think its not clear whether reputation has an effect. Ive seen multiple sources claim both ways and Ive never seen official source comment either way. I ignore but I could be wrong
ZaZ said: I might be wrong, but I'm quite sure the player can only "control" initial CA and PA of youth players.
Position and personality as well no?
Middleweight165 said: I still think its not clear whether reputation has an effect. Ive seen multiple sources claim both ways and Ive never seen official source comment either way. I ignore but I could be wrong
I think reputation is more around recruitment, so I would say it would benefit DoF and potentially technical directors if you have them recruiting staff
Just seen this on reddit...
but I still can't find anything solid about how reputation play's a part
CBP87 said: Just seen this on reddit...
but I still can't find anything solid about how reputation play's a part
I dont think thats true. JPP JPA are reporting stats and WWY is a coaching stat from what I've read. i dont believe any of these effect the players coming through the door
Them 3 attributes are classed as key attributes in game and all the sites I've been on are saying these attributes are needed for a good hoyd. As there is a consistency with these attributes appearing on all these different sites, I would say that they are key to having a good hoyd
HoYD requires:
- Attacking
- Defending
- Fitness
- Mental
- Technical
- Tactical
- Working with Youngsters
- Determination
- Motivating
- People Management
- JPA
- JPP
- JSA
- Negotiating
- Tactical Knowledge
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff.
cadoni said: HoYD requires:
- Attacking
- Defending
- Fitness
- Mental
- Technical
- Tactical
- Working with Youngsters
- Determination
- Motivating
- People Management
- JPA
- JPP
- JSA
- Negotiating
- Tactical Knowledge
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff.
Do you have the weighting table for staff, and if so could you please share it. Thanks
cadoni said:
Thank you - this is very helpful. where does it come from
Mark said: Thank you - this is very helpful. where does it come from
The official pre-game editor
CBP87 said: Them 3 attributes are classed as key attributes in game and all the sites I've been on are saying these attributes are needed for a good hoyd. As there is a consistency with these attributes appearing on all these different sites, I would say that they are key to having a good hoyd
They're classed as important attirbutes in the game, but I think thats due to how they are used in the game once the youth players are in the 'building' but we are speaking specifically about the recruitment part.
If you use the HoYD to give you reports on your youth players then a higher JPA-JPP is essential but I dont, but in the recruitment stage I dont believe those two stats have any effect.
WWY attribute, i believe is a coaching stat so if you use your HOYD as a coach its important but in the recruitment process again I dont think it has any effect
cadoni said: HoYD requires:
- Attacking
- Defending
- Fitness
- Mental
- Technical
- Tactical
- Working with Youngsters
- Determination
- Motivating
- People Management
- JPA
- JPP
- JSA
- Negotiating
- Tactical Knowledge
If you fill those attributes with 20; you will get a CA 200.
It's not only JPA, JPP, Working with Youngsters (which have 4.0 in weighting), but other attributes as well. As everything in the game, attributes plays in combination. To make it more easy understandable: ST with 20 in Finishing, does not mean will score 200 goals. Other combination is essential. Same apply for staff.
But we were talking specifically about recruitment. Its no doubt all these attributes are important in different tasks required by the HOYD but we are trying to pinpoint which one has an effect on the quality of your intake
Middleweight165 said: But we were talking specifically about recruitment. Its no doubt all these attributes are important in different tasks required by the HOYD but we are trying to pinpoint which one has an effect on the quality of your intake
All of that plays a role. Like preferred formation of HoYD which has 433 DM Wide, you will often players in ST, AMLR, DM etc positions, not AMC or ML for example (will be rare).
cadoni said: All of that plays a role. Like preferred formation of HoYD which has 433 DM Wide, you will often players in ST, AMLR, DM etc positions, not AMC or ML for example (will be rare).
In terms of recruitment and the quality of player in the intake?
Middleweight165 said: In terms of recruitment and the quality of player in the intake?
Recruitment, the HOYD will look for players to fit his preferred formation. HOYD preferred formation doesnt plays a part in the quality brought through. Quality is based on other factors. Reputation isn't one of them
CBP87 said: Recruitment, the HOYD will look for players to fit his preferred formation. HOYD preferred formation doesnt plays a part in the quality brought through. Quality is based on other factors. Reputation isn't one of them
I should have specified. I meant the "all of that plays a role" part of the post. I don't believe it does. Preferred formation and personality yes, the rest no, in my opinion
Middleweight165 said: I should have specified. I meant the "all of that plays a role" part of the post. I don't believe it does. Preferred formation and personality yes, the rest no, in my opinion
Formation will play a role in what positions are brought through the intake but the other factors such as personality will determine how many good personalities you get but for me, the youth intake is a lottery. if you get the best facilities, recruitment and coaching then for me your chances of getting a superstar go up. In terms of attributes of the HOYD, I don't the coaching attributes will play a part.
Ill be honest, I am still adamant that I've read from a reliable source that reputation plays a part as the higher the reputation the HOYD has then the more likely the best youth players will want to play for them. But I can't remember where I read it and it's since been said on the SI forums that it doesn't matter so hey ho
Middleweight165 said: In terms of recruitment and the quality of player in the intake?
From Nation side:
- Game Importance
- FA Financial Power
- Economic Factor
- State of Development
- Youth Rating
From Club side:
- Youth Coaching
- Youth Facilities
- Youth Recruitment
- Youth Importance
From HoYD I would say that Negotiating & Working with Youngsters is two key attributes; since that role working (and negotiating) with players before they appear in the game (like U16 for example).