Hi there @ZaZ. How are you mate? 🙂 I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼
NeOnHD92 said: Hi there @ZaZ. How are you mate? 🙂 I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼 Expand
Changes are minimal, but teams with IW and IF are usually better than last patch.
This is the best tactic i used by far. But after the last update (22.4) the tactic seems doesn´t work with the same effectivity. The league test says the version of is 22.4 but before the update the same table was 22.3. My question is if a new test was done or if is the previous results. Thanks by the way. Keep the great work ZaZ and fm arena. Observation : In previous version i've been champion with benfica with 0 losses , 1 draw and almost 150 goals ... ''just'' 30 agains.
CR7THEGOAT said: This is the best tactic i used by far. But after the last update (22.4) the tactic seems doesn´t work with the same effectivity. The league test says the version of is 22.4 but before the update the same table was 22.3. My question is if a new test was done or if is the previous results. Thanks by the way. Keep the great work ZaZ and fm arena. Observation : In previous version i've been champion with benfica with 0 losses , 1 draw and almost 150 goals ... ''just'' 30 agains. Expand
22.3 patch and 22.4 patch have the same M.E.(match engine) so the tactic works the same under both patches
Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings?
nijak05 said: Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings? Expand
One or other role can get some bad rate, but it's fine as long as the tactic is performing well as a whole. Last year it was DM who never got over 7.0.
nijak05 said: Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings? Expand I don`t have these probs. They are usually good on my Offensives. Only classical DCM, sometimes.
I finally finished my 1st season and wow, what a rollercoaster. Bayern was so damn strong and Lewandowski 37 Goals in the Bundesliga. Last Bundesliga game day... I`ve lost (a) 4:6 to Dortmund (Haaland is such a beast..went for 200+Mio. to PSG, when Mbappe went for 0€ to Bayern next season)...had 0 chance (1st season with Hertha) because of Injuries and yeah..player were nervious af.
BUT...Bayern also lost 2:3 (a) to Wolfsburg, so i still won the Bundesliga with only 1p+.
My team had an awesome run with a 4:2 (h) win vs Dortmund, 7:3 win (h)@the german cup vs Dortmund (what a match!), 3:1 (h) win vs Leipzig, 6:2 (a) win vs Gladbach, 5:2 (a) vs Leverkusen etc. But at the final phase of the season, it was getting harder to win. 1:0 vs Mainz, lucky. 1:0 vs Union. 1:0 vs Bielefeld. 0:2 vs Stuttgart.
Bayern went out in the german cup, so it was kinda "easy" after i beat Dortmund 7:3 and then RB Leipzig in the quarterfinal, 113. Min, Gnonto 2:1! Stuttgart in the half-final 1:0, should be a way higher score for us. Bielefeld in the final 3:2, my OMEGA-Talent Brenner(Brazil, young talent 22y, BUY HIM!♥) with a hattrick.
So far, this 1st season was overwhelming good and my squad is pretty good for the 2nd season, even when i will try to sell 3-4 players.
Also the first 2 matches (German-Supercup + 1st League-Match) were already played and it looks promising.
I still don`t had so much impact on the corners, idk why. My CD have good header-stats but yeah. Let`s check the 2nd season. So far, great tactic, again ZaZ. Thx and stay safe everyone. ♥
Nebuuuu said: I don`t have these probs. They are usually good on my Offensives. Only classical DCM, sometimes.
I finally finished my 1st season and wow, what a rollercoaster. Bayern was so damn strong and Lewandowski 37 Goals in the Bundesliga. Last Bundesliga game day... I`ve lost (a) 4:6 to Dortmund (Haaland is such a beast..went for 200+Mio. to PSG, when Mbappe went for 0€ to Bayern next season)...had 0 chance (1st season with Hertha) because of Injuries and yeah..player were nervious af.
BUT...Bayern also lost 2:3 (a) to Wolfsburg, so i still won the Bundesliga with only 1p+.
My team had an awesome run with a 4:2 (h) win vs Dortmund, 7:3 win (h)@the german cup vs Dortmund (what a match!), 3:1 (h) win vs Leipzig, 6:2 (a) win vs Gladbach, 5:2 (a) vs Leverkusen etc. But at the final phase of the season, it was getting harder to win. 1:0 vs Mainz, lucky. 1:0 vs Union. 1:0 vs Bielefeld. 0:2 vs Stuttgart.
Bayern went out in the german cup, so it was kinda "easy" after i beat Dortmund 7:3 and then RB Leipzig in the quarterfinal, 113. Min, Gnonto 2:1! Stuttgart in the half-final 1:0, should be a way higher score for us. Bielefeld in the final 3:2, my OMEGA-Talent Brenner(Brazil, young talent 22y, BUY HIM!♥) with a hattrick.
So far, this 1st season was overwhelming good and my squad is pretty good for the 2nd season, even when i will try to sell 3-4 players.
Also the first 2 matches (German-Supercup + 1st League-Match) were already played and it looks promising.
I still don`t had so much impact on the corners, idk why. My CD have good header-stats but yeah. Let`s check the 2nd season. So far, great tactic, again ZaZ. Thx and stay safe everyone. ♥ Expand
Thanks and gratz! The corner routine should score around 10-20 goals a season, depending on the quality of your team. That's around one goal every 3 or 4 matches. Not a lot, but not so little either.
I have been Playing with the raumdeuter on one of the wings and so far the result are promising - the player movement is really fun to watch .. has anyone else tried using the raumdeuter?
xamnat said: Is Blue 4.0 better than Blue DM on the latest patch? Blue DM worked extremely well for me and it seems to be more effective than 4.0 for me so far. Expand
It's better. It's the same tactic, but with improved set pieces. It uses AML/R instead of ML/R, but they have similar performance.
I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss? As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently).
NiD2103 said: I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss? As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently). Expand
NiD2103 said: I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss? As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently). Expand
Other than what @Lapidus said, you have to keep in mind that the tactic doesn't make miracles. It will help you overachieve in the league, but if your team is predicted to end last, you will probably end mid table or around the top, but hardly champion (unless it's a very even league).
@ZaZ Hi Mate, I know you have added in an attribute sheet about the best possible attributes for those players in the positions. Have you thought about creating a shortlist for some good players that would suit the tactic significantly? I know this could take some time, but it would help massively and I am sure a lot of people with respect it. OR Does something like this exist as I am hoping?
robertsseu said: @ZaZ Hi Mate, I know you have added in an attribute sheet about the best possible attributes for those players in the positions. Have you thought about creating a shortlist for some good players that would suit the tactic significantly? I know this could take some time, but it would help massively and I am sure a lot of people with respect it. OR Does something like this exist as I am hoping?
Thanks. Expand
You can ask @Mark about that. He got the best filters for FM Genie Scout, then it's just about searching the best players and saving as a shortlist.
alexej said: Hi Zaz, you working on anything else or does this seam to the peak performance in the current match engine? Expand
I'm trying some tactics, but only subpar results. Lots of people are also trying, but since performance is already very close to optimal, it gets pretty hard to find improvements.
ZaZ said: I'm trying some tactics, but only subpar results. Lots of people are also trying, but since performance is already very close to optimal, it gets pretty hard to find improvements. Expand
DoubleR said: What about the green 5.0 tactic you posted?? Expand
Green 5.0 is a natural upgrade from Green 4.0 after inverted players started performing well again in new patch. However, @Geek posted a tactic with the same shape before that, and since player instructions and set pieces are also from Blue, it would make no sense to test Green in FM-Arena.
I actually stop posting lots of tactics because someone already posted a similar one. For example, I didn't post Yellow 3.0 because it got the same shape as this tactic (however, my version uses Vol-Su instead). Other examples are Orange and White, that people posted similar tactics to what I was testing and I also avoided posting. I only posted Green because some people that tried it thought it was really good and wanted me to post, but results will obviously be very similar to that from Geek.
ZaZ said: since player instructions are also from Blue Expand Hi, ZaZ. Apologize, if I might sound stupid but what do you mean when you say player instructions are from Blue? Where I can find those player instructions?
Chewbacca said: Hi, ZaZ. Apologize, if I might sound stupid but what do you mean when you say player instruction are from Blue? Where I can find those player instructions?
Thanks. Expand
You can find those player instructions in most tactics these days. I say they are instructions from Blue because it's the tactic that made those instructions popular, but I have no ownership over instructions. They just got so close to optimal that it's very hard to create a top tactic without them. If Blue didn't exist and I had never made any tactic, people would still have reached a similar set of player and team instructions.
ZaZ said: You can find those player instructions in most tactics these days. I say they are instructions from Blue because it's the tactic that made those instructions popular, but I have no ownership over instructions. They just got so close to optimal that it's very hard to create a top tactic without them. If Blue didn't exist and I had never made any tactic, people would still have reached a similar set of player and team instructions. Expand
ZaZ said: Gratz! Expand Only lost 2 matches in the whole season. Against Real Madrid in La Liga and Barcelona in the Copa del Rey Semi Final 2nd Leg. 7 draws in the league 37 wins, 30 in the league, 5 in the Cup and 2 in the Supercup. 142 goals for, 20 against. 80% win
Hi there @ZaZ. How are you mate? 🙂
I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼
NeOnHD92 said: Hi there @ZaZ. How are you mate? 🙂
I havent try my FM22 with Winter Update yet. The ME from 22.2 to 22.3 changed too much or we can play with tactics from update 22.2 without problems? Thanks 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Changes are minimal, but teams with IW and IF are usually better than last patch.
First game with blue 4.0.. wow just wow
This is the best tactic i used by far. But after the last update (22.4) the tactic seems doesn´t work with the same effectivity. The league test says the version of is 22.4 but before the update the same table was 22.3. My question is if a new test was done or if is the previous results.
Thanks by the way.
Keep the great work ZaZ and fm arena.
Observation : In previous version i've been champion with benfica with 0 losses , 1 draw and almost 150 goals ... ''just'' 30 agains.
By far the best tactic in version 22.3.
CR7THEGOAT said: This is the best tactic i used by far. But after the last update (22.4) the tactic seems doesn´t work with the same effectivity. The league test says the version of is 22.4 but before the update the same table was 22.3. My question is if a new test was done or if is the previous results.
Thanks by the way.
Keep the great work ZaZ and fm arena.
Observation : In previous version i've been champion with benfica with 0 losses , 1 draw and almost 150 goals ... ''just'' 30 agains.
22.3 patch and 22.4 patch have the same M.E.(match engine) so the tactic works the same under both patches
Thank you very much Markizio. i didn't know it. Im gonna try change something to motivate the team ...
Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings?
nijak05 said: Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings?
One or other role can get some bad rate, but it's fine as long as the tactic is performing well as a whole. Last year it was DM who never got over 7.0.
nijak05 said: Am i the only one where the ss is getting really inconsitent ratings around 6.7 unless he scores? Is it just the match engine where the AMC gets so so ratings?
I don`t have these probs. They are usually good on my Offensives.
Only classical DCM, sometimes.
I finally finished my 1st season and wow, what a rollercoaster.
Bayern was so damn strong and Lewandowski 37 Goals in the Bundesliga.
Last Bundesliga game day...
I`ve lost (a) 4:6 to Dortmund (Haaland is such a beast..went for 200+Mio. to PSG, when Mbappe went for 0€ to Bayern next season)...had 0 chance (1st season with Hertha) because of Injuries and yeah..player were nervious af.
BUT...Bayern also lost 2:3 (a) to Wolfsburg, so i still won the Bundesliga with only 1p+.
My team had an awesome run with a 4:2 (h) win vs Dortmund, 7:3 win (h)@the german cup vs Dortmund (what a match!), 3:1 (h) win vs Leipzig, 6:2 (a) win vs Gladbach, 5:2 (a) vs Leverkusen etc.
But at the final phase of the season, it was getting harder to win.
1:0 vs Mainz, lucky.
1:0 vs Union.
1:0 vs Bielefeld.
0:2 vs Stuttgart.
Bayern went out in the german cup, so it was kinda "easy" after i beat Dortmund 7:3 and then RB Leipzig in the quarterfinal, 113. Min, Gnonto 2:1!
Stuttgart in the half-final 1:0, should be a way higher score for us.
Bielefeld in the final 3:2, my OMEGA-Talent Brenner(Brazil, young talent 22y, BUY HIM!♥) with a hattrick.
So far, this 1st season was overwhelming good and my squad is pretty good for the 2nd season, even when i will try to sell 3-4 players.
Also the first 2 matches (German-Supercup + 1st League-Match) were already played and it looks promising.
I still don`t had so much impact on the corners, idk why.
My CD have good header-stats but yeah. Let`s check the 2nd season.
So far, great tactic, again ZaZ. Thx and stay safe everyone. ♥
Nebuuuu said: I don`t have these probs. They are usually good on my Offensives.
Only classical DCM, sometimes.
I finally finished my 1st season and wow, what a rollercoaster.
Bayern was so damn strong and Lewandowski 37 Goals in the Bundesliga.
Last Bundesliga game day...
I`ve lost (a) 4:6 to Dortmund (Haaland is such a beast..went for 200+Mio. to PSG, when Mbappe went for 0€ to Bayern next season)...had 0 chance (1st season with Hertha) because of Injuries and yeah..player were nervious af.
BUT...Bayern also lost 2:3 (a) to Wolfsburg, so i still won the Bundesliga with only 1p+.
My team had an awesome run with a 4:2 (h) win vs Dortmund, 7:3 win (h)@the german cup vs Dortmund (what a match!), 3:1 (h) win vs Leipzig, 6:2 (a) win vs Gladbach, 5:2 (a) vs Leverkusen etc.
But at the final phase of the season, it was getting harder to win.
1:0 vs Mainz, lucky.
1:0 vs Union.
1:0 vs Bielefeld.
0:2 vs Stuttgart.
Bayern went out in the german cup, so it was kinda "easy" after i beat Dortmund 7:3 and then RB Leipzig in the quarterfinal, 113. Min, Gnonto 2:1!
Stuttgart in the half-final 1:0, should be a way higher score for us.
Bielefeld in the final 3:2, my OMEGA-Talent Brenner(Brazil, young talent 22y, BUY HIM!♥) with a hattrick.
So far, this 1st season was overwhelming good and my squad is pretty good for the 2nd season, even when i will try to sell 3-4 players.
Also the first 2 matches (German-Supercup + 1st League-Match) were already played and it looks promising.
I still don`t had so much impact on the corners, idk why.
My CD have good header-stats but yeah. Let`s check the 2nd season.
So far, great tactic, again ZaZ. Thx and stay safe everyone. ♥
Thanks and gratz! The corner routine should score around 10-20 goals a season, depending on the quality of your team. That's around one goal every 3 or 4 matches. Not a lot, but not so little either.
I have been Playing with the raumdeuter on one of the wings and so far the result are promising - the player movement is really fun to watch .. has anyone else tried using the raumdeuter?
Is Blue 4.0 better than Blue DM on the latest patch? Blue DM worked extremely well for me and it seems to be more effective than 4.0 for me so far.
xamnat said: Is Blue 4.0 better than Blue DM on the latest patch? Blue DM worked extremely well for me and it seems to be more effective than 4.0 for me so far.
It's better. It's the same tactic, but with improved set pieces. It uses AML/R instead of ML/R, but they have similar performance.
I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss?
As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently).
NiD2103 said: I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss?
As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently).
Read this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/
Also, read the 1st post of this thread there you can find a lot of tips by ZaZ about everything in the game.
NiD2103 said: I concede a lot of goals atm with Blue 4.0 (playing SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga) and i also have the problem of many offside goals, which in the end sometimes even cost me the game.
Is there anything i might miss?
As i said, i'm using the Blue 4.0 Tactic and didn't really changed much (I'm using Light and Solid from time to time like your description said) but i struggle a lot (8 wins, 2 draw, 8 losses currently).
Other than what @Lapidus said, you have to keep in mind that the tactic doesn't make miracles. It will help you overachieve in the league, but if your team is predicted to end last, you will probably end mid table or around the top, but hardly champion (unless it's a very even league).
@ZaZ Hi Mate, I know you have added in an attribute sheet about the best possible attributes for those players in the positions. Have you thought about creating a shortlist for some good players that would suit the tactic significantly? I know this could take some time, but it would help massively and I am sure a lot of people with respect it. OR Does something like this exist as I am hoping?
Thanks.
robertsseu said: @ZaZ Hi Mate, I know you have added in an attribute sheet about the best possible attributes for those players in the positions. Have you thought about creating a shortlist for some good players that would suit the tactic significantly? I know this could take some time, but it would help massively and I am sure a lot of people with respect it. OR Does something like this exist as I am hoping?
Thanks.
You can ask @Mark about that. He got the best filters for FM Genie Scout, then it's just about searching the best players and saving as a shortlist.
Hi Zaz, you working on anything else or does this seam to the peak performance in the current match engine?
alexej said: Hi Zaz, you working on anything else or does this seam to the peak performance in the current match engine?
I'm trying some tactics, but only subpar results. Lots of people are also trying, but since performance is already very close to optimal, it gets pretty hard to find improvements.
ZaZ said: I'm trying some tactics, but only subpar results. Lots of people are also trying, but since performance is already very close to optimal, it gets pretty hard to find improvements.
What about the green 5.0 tactic you posted??
DoubleR said: What about the green 5.0 tactic you posted??
I don't see any difference between ZaZ - Green 5.0 and Positive Tiki Taka - CMs ( Attack )
DoubleR said: What about the green 5.0 tactic you posted??
Green 5.0 is a natural upgrade from Green 4.0 after inverted players started performing well again in new patch. However, @Geek posted a tactic with the same shape before that, and since player instructions and set pieces are also from Blue, it would make no sense to test Green in FM-Arena.
I actually stop posting lots of tactics because someone already posted a similar one. For example, I didn't post Yellow 3.0 because it got the same shape as this tactic (however, my version uses Vol-Su instead). Other examples are Orange and White, that people posted similar tactics to what I was testing and I also avoided posting. I only posted Green because some people that tried it thought it was really good and wanted me to post, but results will obviously be very similar to that from Geek.
ZaZ said: since player instructions are also from Blue
Hi, ZaZ. Apologize, if I might sound stupid but what do you mean when you say player instructions are from Blue? Where I can find those player instructions?
Thanks.
Chewbacca said: Hi, ZaZ. Apologize, if I might sound stupid but what do you mean when you say player instruction are from Blue? Where I can find those player instructions?
Thanks.
You can find those player instructions in most tactics these days. I say they are instructions from Blue because it's the tactic that made those instructions popular, but I have no ownership over instructions. They just got so close to optimal that it's very hard to create a top tactic without them. If Blue didn't exist and I had never made any tactic, people would still have reached a similar set of player and team instructions.
ZaZ said: You can find those player instructions in most tactics these days. I say they are instructions from Blue because it's the tactic that made those instructions popular, but I have no ownership over instructions. They just got so close to optimal that it's very hard to create a top tactic without them. If Blue didn't exist and I had never made any tactic, people would still have reached a similar set of player and team instructions.
Ok, thanks. I got it.
1st Season with Athletic Club of Bilbao. Champions with 4 matches to go. Cup & Supercup winners.
etxebe17 said: 1st Season with Athletic Club of Bilbao. Champions with 4 matches to go. Cup & Supercup winners.
Gratz!
ZaZ said: Gratz!
Only lost 2 matches in the whole season. Against Real Madrid in La Liga and Barcelona in the Copa del Rey Semi Final 2nd Leg.
7 draws in the league
37 wins, 30 in the league, 5 in the Cup and 2 in the Supercup.
142 goals for, 20 against.
80% win
Amazing!
Thank you!