After you took all the colours from the rainbow this year you started taking all the elements. I don't understand what are you trying to gain by doing this post. It's just sad....
Chocorelo19 said: After you took all the colours from the rainbow this year you started taking all the elements. I don't understand what are you trying to gain by doing this post. It's just sad.... Expand
I'm not trying to gain anything. I even complimented the tactic in the comments and said it was a good one, mixing the best of FM-Arena and FM-Base. I just don't understand why you are saying you built it from the ground.
ZaZ said: I'm not trying to gain anything. I even complimented the tactic in the comments and said it was a good one, mixing the best of FM-Arena and FM-Base. I just don't understand why you are saying you built it from the ground. Expand
I really don't know what more to say. The other tactic that you claim that I've copied is not even the same formation. This is ridiculous and I won't debate anymore.
Chocorelo19 said: I really don't know what more to say. The other tactic that you claim that I've copied is not even the same formation. This is ridiculous and I won't debate anymore. Expand
It's fine. This area was created not only for accusation, but also for people to check and see if it's really a copy or not. Let other users compare the tactics and say their opinions. I might just be wrong.
@Chocorelo19 I just created an account after years to comment on this, but how can you say that you made this from scratch? Every instruction is the same besides the DM Support position. It's just impossible that you had like 98% exact instructions just like the FM Base tactic by chance. Just say that you had the tactic as a base and build from that, nobody will say anything.
But it's impossible that you made that by yourself without copying, the only chance is that you are FMR from FM Base.
Alan Bessa said: @Chocorelo19 I just created an account after years to comment on this, but how can you say that you made this from scratch? Every instruction is the same besides the DM Support position. It's just impossible that you had like 98% exact instructions just like the FM Base tactic by chance. Just say that you had the tactic as a base and build from that, nobody will say anything.
But it's impossible that you made that by yourself without copying, the only chance is that you are FMR from FM Base. Expand
I have an account there since 2013 back when the best tactician ever (TFF) was active with the username Chocorelo19. The first time Ive downloaded the tactic is when this thread started. Listen I don't have to prove anything and I play the game just for fun. Obviously, I check tactics around at the beginning of every FM ( Especially all TFFs) but I would never hard copy someone's hard work. If you are referring to team instructions statistically are very common as we all know what works the last couple of years. The players instructions are different except I think the WBs. This is starting to get annoying... Anyway, the admins are welcome to take out the tactic if they agree with you. All the smile that I had when I saw my tactic on the top left after this. Thank you
P.S. Last year I posted a tactic with the same team instructions except for the tempo.
I'm sorry that you feel that way, you still contributed a lot to the game, i just felt that it was disingenuous to say that you've created this tactic from scratch, and if you compare both tactics you can see for yourself how yours feel like a tweak, but if you really didn't use the other tactic, i apologize and this will be my last post on this matter.
I hope that my post didn't discourage you from making other tactics, it's a pretty great one.
Alan Bessa said: I'm sorry that you feel that way, you still contributed a lot to the game, i just felt that it was disingenuous to say that you've created this tactic from scratch, and if you compare both tactics you can see for yourself how yours feel like a tweak, but if you really didn't use the other tactic, i apologize and this will be my last post on this matter.
I hope that my post didn't discourage you from making other tactics, it's a pretty great one. Expand
I genuinely didn't even saw the other tactic to begin with. In matter of fact I posted my tactic on fm base on Friday with the DW version instead of IF ( It was here as well but be ause I ve got better results with IF, I retrieved it).Of course I ve got influenced regarding the formation of the tactic as I saw that 2dms work well and the ground up thing misunderstood. Apologies for any language barriers (english is not my first language.) but under no circumstances didn't copy any of the instructions and any tactic in general. My point of view is that all of us have the same goal, to create op tactics to enjoy this beautiful game better. I am not the copycat here....
FWIW it seems a lot of people are getting accused and most of them defend themselves and a lot of the accused are then accusing others. From my novice, but analytical take, it is obvious that people can see what works well with the current ME and then use that to build from scratch, or edit or merge tactics already performing well in tests and then say they are theirs. I am not sure anyone can be certain with a hunch or accusation and really it doesn't get anywhere. The internet is also great for pile-ons and sometimes you get people joining in who hardly ever contribute anything, just to have a go at someone.
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really
keithb said: FWIW it seems a lot of people are getting accused and most of them defend themselves and a lot of the accused are then accusing others. From my novice, but analytical take, it is obvious that people can see what works well with the current ME and then use that to build from scratch, or edit or merge tactics already performing well in tests and then say they are theirs. I am not sure anyone can be certain with a hunch or accusation and really it doesn't get anywhere. The internet is also great for pile-ons and sometimes you get people joining in who hardly ever contribute anything, just to have a go at someone.
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really Expand
It's really hard to say what is plagiarism or not, because depends how did you reached the point of the tactic to work. Imho is most that people getting influeced by "meta" role and shapes, here on arena now we have even a guide line about what kind of instruction are "better" or "not".
Once again ain't going to happen nothing if someone gives credit or say something about how did him/her reached the shape he wanted.
ZaZ said: Just post the tactic and a proof of the release date (like a link to the post). I don't know Knap, and I can't check all tactics around. Expand
Look knaps tactics up, you can see it for yourself.
Also, I wanna quote something you said yourself, in my thread:
Look, the discussion of plagiarism is nice and all, but it's not the type of matter that should be solved by fighting and making the issue public. My suggestion to handle those situations is to first contact the person with DM to make sure they know there is a similar tactic, and only if the issue is not solved people should bring it to the admins through the proper thread that was created. There is absolutely no need to bring issues to the admins if they can be solved with a simple DM to the user, which anyone can do.
Why are you going public now and not DM'ing the so called "Creator" yourself?
Jeffdekker said: Look knaps tactics up, you can see it for yourself.
Also, I wanna quote something you said yourself, in my thread:
Look, the discussion of plagiarism is nice and all, but it's not the type of matter that should be solved by fighting and making the issue public. My suggestion to handle those situations is to first contact the person with DM to make sure they know there is a similar tactic, and only if the issue is not solved people should bring it to the admins through the proper thread that was created. There is absolutely no need to bring issues to the admins if they can be solved with a simple DM to the user, which anyone can do.
Why are you going public now and not DM'ing the so called "Creator" yourself?
Say something and do another right? Expand
This area was created after your case, and it's the proper channel for this kind of post according to admins. I am just following the instructions set by the page.
Also, I'm not going to check tactics from Knap, I already presented one that has 99% of similarity and was published before Corsair IF.
I wouldn't normally get involved in all this shit but I've compared the tactics and team instructions are the same but one tell tale sign is the set pieces, the set pieces are identical.
Now whether its a coincidence or not I don't know but the amazing hindle set pieces have been tagged with the exact way Knap stamps his set piece routines, so hindle is definitely based on a Knap tactic
The tactic Corsair IF clearly took this one as base, but the author claims he did it from scratch.
After you took all the colours from the rainbow this year you started taking all the elements. I don't understand what are you trying to gain by doing this post. It's just sad....
Chocorelo19 said: After you took all the colours from the rainbow this year you started taking all the elements. I don't understand what are you trying to gain by doing this post. It's just sad....
I'm not trying to gain anything. I even complimented the tactic in the comments and said it was a good one, mixing the best of FM-Arena and FM-Base. I just don't understand why you are saying you built it from the ground.
ZaZ said: I'm not trying to gain anything. I even complimented the tactic in the comments and said it was a good one, mixing the best of FM-Arena and FM-Base. I just don't understand why you are saying you built it from the ground.
I really don't know what more to say. The other tactic that you claim that I've copied is not even the same formation. This is ridiculous and I won't debate anymore.
Chocorelo19 said: I really don't know what more to say. The other tactic that you claim that I've copied is not even the same formation. This is ridiculous and I won't debate anymore.
It's fine. This area was created not only for accusation, but also for people to check and see if it's really a copy or not. Let other users compare the tactics and say their opinions. I might just be wrong.
@Chocorelo19 I just created an account after years to comment on this, but how can you say that you made this from scratch? Every instruction is the same besides the DM Support position. It's just impossible that you had like 98% exact instructions just like the FM Base tactic by chance. Just say that you had the tactic as a base and build from that, nobody will say anything.
But it's impossible that you made that by yourself without copying, the only chance is that you are FMR from FM Base.
Alan Bessa said: @Chocorelo19 I just created an account after years to comment on this, but how can you say that you made this from scratch? Every instruction is the same besides the DM Support position. It's just impossible that you had like 98% exact instructions just like the FM Base tactic by chance. Just say that you had the tactic as a base and build from that, nobody will say anything.
But it's impossible that you made that by yourself without copying, the only chance is that you are FMR from FM Base.
I have an account there since 2013 back when the best tactician ever (TFF) was active with the username Chocorelo19. The first time Ive downloaded the tactic is when this thread started. Listen I don't have to prove anything and I play the game just for fun. Obviously, I check tactics around at the beginning of every FM ( Especially all TFFs) but I would never hard copy someone's hard work. If you are referring to team instructions statistically are very common as we all know what works the last couple of years. The players instructions are different except I think the WBs. This is starting to get annoying... Anyway, the admins are welcome to take out the tactic if they agree with you. All the smile that I had when I saw my tactic on the top left after this. Thank you
P.S. Last year I posted a tactic with the same team instructions except for the tempo.
I'm sorry that you feel that way, you still contributed a lot to the game, i just felt that it was disingenuous to say that you've created this tactic from scratch, and if you compare both tactics you can see for yourself how yours feel like a tweak, but if you really didn't use the other tactic, i apologize and this will be my last post on this matter.
I hope that my post didn't discourage you from making other tactics, it's a pretty great one.
Alan Bessa said: I'm sorry that you feel that way, you still contributed a lot to the game, i just felt that it was disingenuous to say that you've created this tactic from scratch, and if you compare both tactics you can see for yourself how yours feel like a tweak, but if you really didn't use the other tactic, i apologize and this will be my last post on this matter.
I hope that my post didn't discourage you from making other tactics, it's a pretty great one.
I genuinely didn't even saw the other tactic to begin with. In matter of fact I posted my tactic on fm base on Friday with the DW version instead of IF ( It was here as well but be ause I ve got better results with IF, I retrieved it).Of course I ve got influenced regarding the formation of the tactic as I saw that 2dms work well and the ground up thing misunderstood. Apologies for any language barriers (english is not my first language.) but under no circumstances didn't copy any of the instructions and any tactic in general. My point of view is that all of us have the same goal, to create op tactics to enjoy this beautiful game better. I am not the copycat here....
FWIW it seems a lot of people are getting accused and most of them defend themselves and a lot of the accused are then accusing others. From my novice, but analytical take, it is obvious that people can see what works well with the current ME and then use that to build from scratch, or edit or merge tactics already performing well in tests and then say they are theirs. I am not sure anyone can be certain with a hunch or accusation and really it doesn't get anywhere. The internet is also great for pile-ons and sometimes you get people joining in who hardly ever contribute anything, just to have a go at someone.
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really
keithb said: FWIW it seems a lot of people are getting accused and most of them defend themselves and a lot of the accused are then accusing others. From my novice, but analytical take, it is obvious that people can see what works well with the current ME and then use that to build from scratch, or edit or merge tactics already performing well in tests and then say they are theirs. I am not sure anyone can be certain with a hunch or accusation and really it doesn't get anywhere. The internet is also great for pile-ons and sometimes you get people joining in who hardly ever contribute anything, just to have a go at someone.
Yes if you have created a tactic from scratch and see it used and people claim it is 100% their work you will be annoyed. But again the ME isn't exactly expansive currently, so a lot of formations will see the same shape, player roles and instructions. That isn't anyone's fault, but we want to encourage more creators than deter. If I am going to create my own bad tactics I will be using two DM's and probably IW/IF's, two BPD's and one or two AF's. That's just the game?
I am strongly against plagiarism, cheating for gain( scum save its your game who cares) and copying others work to pass off as your own. Anyway gg's and thanks for the great tactics. I dont have the knowledge or patience to make my own really
It's really hard to say what is plagiarism or not, because depends how did you reached the point of the tactic to work. Imho is most that people getting influeced by "meta" role and shapes, here on arena now we have even a guide line about what kind of instruction are "better" or "not".
Once again ain't going to happen nothing if someone gives credit or say something about how did him/her reached the shape he wanted.
Funny how both corsair IF and https://fm-base.co.uk/resources/game-breaker-tactic-433-1-2-holiday-all-season-no-transfers-amazing-update.7258/ are both rip offs from Knap.
Don't see you saying anything like that Zaz.
Jeffdekker said: Funny how both corsair IF and https://fm-base.co.uk/resources/game-breaker-tactic-433-1-2-holiday-all-season-no-transfers-amazing-update.7258/ are both rip offs from Knap.
Don't see you saying anything like that Zaz.
Just post the tactic and a proof of the release date (like a link to the post). I don't know Knap, and I can't check all tactics around.
ZaZ said: Just post the tactic and a proof of the release date (like a link to the post). I don't know Knap, and I can't check all tactics around.
Look knaps tactics up, you can see it for yourself.
Also, I wanna quote something you said yourself, in my thread:
Look, the discussion of plagiarism is nice and all, but it's not the type of matter that should be solved by fighting and making the issue public. My suggestion to handle those situations is to first contact the person with DM to make sure they know there is a similar tactic, and only if the issue is not solved people should bring it to the admins through the proper thread that was created. There is absolutely no need to bring issues to the admins if they can be solved with a simple DM to the user, which anyone can do.
Why are you going public now and not DM'ing the so called "Creator" yourself?
Say something and do another right?
Jeffdekker said: Look knaps tactics up, you can see it for yourself.
Also, I wanna quote something you said yourself, in my thread:
Look, the discussion of plagiarism is nice and all, but it's not the type of matter that should be solved by fighting and making the issue public. My suggestion to handle those situations is to first contact the person with DM to make sure they know there is a similar tactic, and only if the issue is not solved people should bring it to the admins through the proper thread that was created. There is absolutely no need to bring issues to the admins if they can be solved with a simple DM to the user, which anyone can do.
Why are you going public now and not DM'ing the so called "Creator" yourself?
Say something and do another right?
This area was created after your case, and it's the proper channel for this kind of post according to admins. I am just following the instructions set by the page.
Also, I'm not going to check tactics from Knap, I already presented one that has 99% of similarity and was published before Corsair IF.
I wouldn't normally get involved in all this shit but I've compared the tactics and team instructions are the same but one tell tale sign is the set pieces, the set pieces are identical.
Now whether its a coincidence or not I don't know but the amazing hindle set pieces have been tagged with the exact way Knap stamps his set piece routines, so hindle is definitely based on a Knap tactic