This is not a trivial suggestion, so it's something for later if devs think it's a good idea.
The problem: There are too many tactics that are too similar, from the same author, to brute test instructions. They clog up the table and hide tactics from other authors and other formations.
Proposed solution: Only display the best tactic from each thread in the table. For example, if I post Water 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.2, only the top one would be displayed in the table (in this case, 4.2). There might be a "+" sign to display other tactics from the same thread.
Expected result: Table will be cleaner and will emphasize the best tactics from each author. If an author wants different shapes to appear in the table, they would need to create a new thread, but if they just want to update or test something on the same tactic, then only the best of that thread would show, and that would help players find the best variant easier instead of using something outdated.
some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry.
hey the only seen different shape in the top ten of these mess of a copy and paste spreadsheet of a scoreboard. good job, now only if you could test it with different mentality, that would be amazing
Itsyaboy420 said: hey the only seen different shape in the top ten of these mess of a copy and paste spreadsheet of a scoreboard. good job, now only if you could test it with different mentality, that would be amazing Expand
It's not copy-paste, we're trying to understand what works and what doesnt, and since the FM-Arena save file isnt publicly available, we have to submit various tweaks to see how it performs on this database (which has different results than other database, for instance DM(D) > DLP(D) here while it's the opposite elsewhere) Lots of tweaks for other shapes have been submitted, but sadly none could perform as well as 424 shape yet, besides the 343 shape. Lots of shapes got 57-58 and are just as good in a played save, without holiday, especially if you consider rng (red/green numbers). This is a testing website, I don't know why you are shocked people are testing stuff and try to optimize tactics.
Itsyaboy420 said: some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry. Expand
I keep seeing you make similar comments to this, but I can't find any tactics of yours, I mean if its bothering you that much then show us that other mentalities and shapes are working. The reason your seeing these tactics is because balanced mentality and a 424 formation is most effective this year. Its not for one for trying, people have tried different mentalities and shape but there not as effective as this shape and mentality
i could understand people trying to optimize stuff what i don't get is people blatantly saying that they use the same shape and the same mentality and just keep simulating it again then again. Like it's okay the first time, the second time fine, the third time okay, but after getting repeated dozens of time, i can't help but ask are you trying to cheese your way through the scoreboard. Once again i am truly sorry if this comment hurt anyone's feeling.
CBP87 said: I keep seeing you make similar comments to this, but I can't find any tactics of yours, I mean if its bothering you that much then show us that other mentalities and shapes are working. The reason your seeing these tactics is because balanced mentality and a 424 formation is most effective this year. Its not for one for trying, people have tried different mentalities and shape but there not as effective as this shape and mentality Expand
yes, it's because i think it's getting ridiculous seeing the same shape and mentality occupying like 9 of the top ten in most points. i would like it if the scoreboard view is revised so that all of the 424 formation get in their own threads and compare against each other there. So people could see what other shape and mentality that kind of works. It's like what @ZaZ recommended. Also i would like to have a filter for mentality, i mean man that would be a grace from the heaven if i could sort out mentality, i wouldn't be complaining if that feature exist. About making tactics on my own, i do kind of want to do that, but i just don't have the will to see it through. Once again i am truly sorry if my comment offends you @CBP87 , there was never any harm intended and my comments are truly just because i was annoyed at having to search like a mad man for different shape and mentality in this site. another thing is because i like this site, that's why i give my opinion so that eventually i hope it could be better.
well i kind of appear at many different comment section, because i want to give opinion about this whole 424 occupying the top 10 in the most point with barely any different in mentality and changes to the shape. i truly only use this site for tactics and i love it. that's why i hope it could be better especially in the filter for searching tactics like having the ability to sort the list by mentality would be a great help and i won't even appear here in the comment section probably if that feature exist. another thing i want to mention is i support @ZaZ opinion in making tactics that have somewhat of the same shape to only be shown the top one in the scoreboard so the scoreboard will list the top formation then when you click it it will show every variation of that tactic from top to bottom and every other mentality.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes, it's because i think it's getting ridiculous seeing the same shape and mentality occupying like 9 of the top ten in most points. i would like it if the scoreboard view is revised so that all of the 424 formation get in their own threads and compare against each other there. So people could see what other shape and mentality that kind of works. It's like what @ZaZ recommended. Also i would like to have a filter for mentality, i mean man that would be a grace from the heaven if i could sort out mentality, i wouldn't be complaining if that feature exist. About making tactics on my own, i do kind of want to do that, but i just don't have the will to see it through. Once again i am truly sorry if my comment offends you @CBP87 , there was never any harm intended and my comments are truly just because i was annoyed at having to search like a mad man for different shape and mentality in this site. another thing is because i like this site, that's why i give my opinion so that eventually i hope it could be better. Expand
You haven't offended me. Again Ill say that you'll find these tactics at the top of the table because this shape and mentality is working on this M.E. Its not the tactics you have an issue with its the filtering options that are available from what I've read.@Zippo is there any potential scope to maybe add a filer in for mentality on the tactics table? @Itsyaboy420 There is already a filter available for the shape you want.
Itsyaboy420 said: some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry. Expand
Why are you so fixated on the mentality? What matters is how the tactic plays, not the overall team mentality. We have very defensive tactics and very offensive tactics without using Attacking or Defending mentality. Also, it's not like other mentalities are not being tested, they are just not scoring enough to be at the top.
because i used balanced mentality with my underdog team in the fa cup, then i got absolutely trashed in the first half by Manchester United. out of desperation i used the attacking mentality tactics like promotheus 2.0 which leveled the scoreboard to 2-2 in the second half then in extra time there was no more goals and proceeds to penalty shootout which i luckily won. I know my experience doesn't mean that balanced mentality doesn't work, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah for most of the season which was great against teams comparable to mine and dominate against teams that are weaker, but like in the first place i started commenting here is that balanced mentality is not enough when you are the underdog. i have used balanced mentality multiple times against giants such as man city, Liverpool, Chelsea and i won only a few times using 4-2-4 alhamdulillah, i won against man city with similar experience like my man utd match which is using promotheus 2.0 in the second half, lost against Liverpool 3-2 in the extra time, Chelsea just outright slaughtered me 4-1.
another thing is i would like to change mentality mid match as per condition, like when i was against arsenal in the first half i was up by 1-0 in score. then rather than stay attacking with promotheus 2.0 i would like to change to a different mentality with the same shape then i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah 0.8 with a balanced mentality which was a mistake as i got absolutely destroyed by arsenal in the second half losing 3-1. another example is when i was against crystal palace, i was at the same position like in my arsenal match, in the second half rather than using balanced 4-2-4, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah by tomaka which has a cautious mentality then i won 1-0 against crystal palace.
so in conclusion i like to reiterate balance mentality is good, but it's never enough when you're up against giant teams. it just made your team looked like they were sleeping the whole match, no attacks were made, no counters, just absolutely pure domination by the other team. I was lucky i found promotheus 2.0, because the next day promotheus 2.0 just drops in the scoreboard and went to another page, which made me realize how hard it was to search for decent tactics with the mentality you want in this site.
CBP87 said: You haven't offended me. Again Ill say that you'll find these tactics at the top of the table because this shape and mentality is working on this M.E. Its not the tactics you have an issue with its the filtering options that are available from what I've read.@Zippo is there any potential scope to maybe add a filer in for mentality on the tactics table? @Itsyaboy420 There is already a filter available for the shape you want. Expand
thanks man, i actually never noticed that you could search by shape.
Itsyaboy420 said: because i used balanced mentality with my underdog team in the fa cup, then i got absolutely trashed in the first half by Manchester United. out of desperation i used the attacking mentality tactics like promotheus 2.0 which leveled the scoreboard to 2-2 in the second half then in extra time there was no more goals and proceeds to penalty shootout which i luckily won. I know my experience doesn't mean that balanced mentality doesn't work, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah for most of the season which was great against teams comparable to mine and dominate against teams that are weaker, but like in the first place i started commenting here is that balanced mentality is not enough when you are the underdog. i have used balanced mentality multiple times against giants such as man city, Liverpool, Chelsea and i won only a few times using 4-2-4 alhamdulillah, i won against man city with similar experience like my man utd match which is using promotheus 2.0 in the second half, lost against Liverpool 3-2 in the extra time, Chelsea just outright slaughtered me 4-1.
another thing is i would like to change mentality mid match as per condition, like when i was against arsenal in the first half i was up by 1-0 in score. then rather than stay attacking with promotheus 2.0 i would like to change to a different mentality with the same shape then i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah 0.8 with a balanced mentality which was a mistake as i got absolutely destroyed by arsenal in the second half losing 3-1. another example is when i was against crystal palace, i was at the same position like in my arsenal match, in the second half rather than using balanced 4-2-4, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah by tomaka which has a cautious mentality then i won 1-0 against crystal palace.
so in conclusion i liked reiterate balance mentality is good, but it's never enough when you're up against giant teams. it just made your team looked like they were sleeping the whole match, no attacks were made, no counters, just absolutely pure domination by the other team. Expand
Balance should be a starter opening,you can tweak the tactic for what you actually need, i mean sorry to even sound "mean" but how do you believe an underdog should've have aggressive mentality vs a "elite/top level team"? I mean that's doesn't even make sense,you want more aggresion to the ball? You should use OI's or try to tweak up like you did switching to prometheus etc, you are right Balance shouldn't be a "ever green", more then mentality we need to understand why as underdog the intesity of our pressing drop so low on under those circumstances.
Delicious said: Balance should be a starter opening,you can tweak the tactic for what you actually need, i mean sorry to even sound "mean" but how do you believe an underdog should've have aggressive mentality vs a "elite/top level team"? I mean that's doesn't even make sense,you want more aggresion to the ball? You should use OI's or try to tweak up like you did switching to prometheus etc, you are right Balance shouldn't be a "ever green", more then mentality we need to understand why as underdog the intesity of our pressing drop so low on under those circumstances. Expand
yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing. Expand
Interceptions were buffed in this patch, so having a solid defense is more effective than having a strong attack. That's why the top tactics will have two DMs and even three defenders. More attacking approaches will lose more possession, causing more counter-attacks, which are also more effective since dribbling got buffed as well.
You can open FM22, load any tactic and take note of dribbles made and interceptions, then put the same tactic on FM23 and check the difference. FM23 will have at least double of those statistics.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing. Expand
I did understand perfectly your point, is the same thing is frustrating me, but seem in order to get on positive and attacking you need to change the role positions and stuff, i am testing those stuff as well atm i am just checking if we can put any more spicy PI but seem they are all just cosmetic or making worst the tactic so it's kinda hard,just a bit of patience on regards of the "spam" tactics, but how arena is worked till now, pretty sure they gonna figure-out soon how to give more "appeal" to the tactic test layout as even Zaz suggested in this thread.
ZaZ said: Interceptions were buffed in this patch, so having a solid defense is more effective than having a strong attack. That's why the top tactics will have two DMs and even three defenders. More attacking approaches will lose more possession, causing more counter-attacks, which are also more effective since dribbling got buffed as well.
You can open FM22, load any tactic and take note of dribbles made and interceptions, then put the same tactic on FM23 and check the difference. FM23 will have at least double of those statistics. Expand
yes i agree, using promotheus 2.0 just loses the possession like mad. but it produces goals, unlike the 4-2-4 alhamdulillah when against giants. so my possession would be like 43 but the shots produced and xg rating is higher than what 4-2-4 alhamdulillah would produce. even if most of those shots missed at least my player are still shooting compared to when using 4-2-4 balanced i would only have like 3 shots for an entire half against teams like man city. possession is important when you are at least even with the other team, but when against teams like man city and you are the underdog, i would usually just ignore my horrid possession and look to my shots stat
Itsyaboy420 said: yes i agree, using promotheus 2.0 just loses the possession like mad. but it produces goals, unlike the 4-2-4 alhamdulillah when against giants. so my possession would be like 43 but the shots produced and xg rating is higher than what 4-2-4 alhamdulillah would produce. even if most of those shots missed at least my player are still shooting compared to when using 4-2-4 balanced i would only have like 3 shots for an entire half against teams like man city. possession is important when you are at least even with the other team, but when against teams like man city and you are the underdog, i would usually just ignore my horrid possession and look to my shots stat Expand
You do realize that you are normally expected to lose with underdogs against teams like Manchester City, right? If a tactic allows you to be even with them or even win, you should celebrate.
This is not a trivial suggestion, so it's something for later if devs think it's a good idea.
The problem: There are too many tactics that are too similar, from the same author, to brute test instructions. They clog up the table and hide tactics from other authors and other formations.
Proposed solution: Only display the best tactic from each thread in the table. For example, if I post Water 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and 4.2, only the top one would be displayed in the table (in this case, 4.2). There might be a "+" sign to display other tactics from the same thread.
Expected result: Table will be cleaner and will emphasize the best tactics from each author. If an author wants different shapes to appear in the table, they would need to create a new thread, but if they just want to update or test something on the same tactic, then only the best of that thread would show, and that would help players find the best variant easier instead of using something outdated.
I liked it.
Great idea! So it easier to even compare raw stats
some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry.
hey the only seen different shape in the top ten of these mess of a copy and paste spreadsheet of a scoreboard. good job, now only if you could test it with different mentality, that would be amazing
Itsyaboy420 said: hey the only seen different shape in the top ten of these mess of a copy and paste spreadsheet of a scoreboard. good job, now only if you could test it with different mentality, that would be amazing
It's not copy-paste, we're trying to understand what works and what doesnt, and since the FM-Arena save file isnt publicly available, we have to submit various tweaks to see how it performs on this database (which has different results than other database, for instance DM(D) > DLP(D) here while it's the opposite elsewhere)
Lots of tweaks for other shapes have been submitted, but sadly none could perform as well as 424 shape yet, besides the 343 shape. Lots of shapes got 57-58 and are just as good in a played save, without holiday, especially if you consider rng (red/green numbers).
This is a testing website, I don't know why you are shocked people are testing stuff and try to optimize tactics.
Itsyaboy420 said: some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry.
I keep seeing you make similar comments to this, but I can't find any tactics of yours, I mean if its bothering you that much then show us that other mentalities and shapes are working. The reason your seeing these tactics is because balanced mentality and a 424 formation is most effective this year. Its not for one for trying, people have tried different mentalities and shape but there not as effective as this shape and mentality
i could understand people trying to optimize stuff what i don't get is people blatantly saying that they use the same shape and the same mentality and just keep simulating it again then again. Like it's okay the first time, the second time fine, the third time okay, but after getting repeated dozens of time, i can't help but ask are you trying to cheese your way through the scoreboard. Once again i am truly sorry if this comment hurt anyone's feeling.
CBP87 said: I keep seeing you make similar comments to this, but I can't find any tactics of yours, I mean if its bothering you that much then show us that other mentalities and shapes are working. The reason your seeing these tactics is because balanced mentality and a 424 formation is most effective this year. Its not for one for trying, people have tried different mentalities and shape but there not as effective as this shape and mentality
yes, it's because i think it's getting ridiculous seeing the same shape and mentality occupying like 9 of the top ten in most points. i would like it if the scoreboard view is revised so that all of the 424 formation get in their own threads and compare against each other there. So people could see what other shape and mentality that kind of works. It's like what @ZaZ recommended. Also i would like to have a filter for mentality, i mean man that would be a grace from the heaven if i could sort out mentality, i wouldn't be complaining if that feature exist. About making tactics on my own, i do kind of want to do that, but i just don't have the will to see it through. Once again i am truly sorry if my comment offends you @CBP87 , there was never any harm intended and my comments are truly just because i was annoyed at having to search like a mad man for different shape and mentality in this site. another thing is because i like this site, that's why i give my opinion so that eventually i hope it could be better.
well i kind of appear at many different comment section, because i want to give opinion about this whole 424 occupying the top 10 in the most point with barely any different in mentality and changes to the shape. i truly only use this site for tactics and i love it. that's why i hope it could be better especially in the filter for searching tactics like having the ability to sort the list by mentality would be a great help and i won't even appear here in the comment section probably if that feature exist. another thing i want to mention is i support @ZaZ opinion in making tactics that have somewhat of the same shape to only be shown the top one in the scoreboard so the scoreboard will list the top formation then when you click it it will show every variation of that tactic from top to bottom and every other mentality.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes, it's because i think it's getting ridiculous seeing the same shape and mentality occupying like 9 of the top ten in most points. i would like it if the scoreboard view is revised so that all of the 424 formation get in their own threads and compare against each other there. So people could see what other shape and mentality that kind of works. It's like what @ZaZ recommended. Also i would like to have a filter for mentality, i mean man that would be a grace from the heaven if i could sort out mentality, i wouldn't be complaining if that feature exist. About making tactics on my own, i do kind of want to do that, but i just don't have the will to see it through. Once again i am truly sorry if my comment offends you @CBP87 , there was never any harm intended and my comments are truly just because i was annoyed at having to search like a mad man for different shape and mentality in this site. another thing is because i like this site, that's why i give my opinion so that eventually i hope it could be better.
You haven't offended me. Again Ill say that you'll find these tactics at the top of the table because this shape and mentality is working on this M.E. Its not the tactics you have an issue with its the filtering options that are available from what I've read.@Zippo is there any potential scope to maybe add a filer in for mentality on the tactics table? @Itsyaboy420 There is already a filter available for the shape you want.
Itsyaboy420 said: some people do be sensitive, alright then I'll make my statement, stop it with the balanced method and similar shape, get creative people. try making different shapes and method works. if anybody is hurt by this comment then I am truly very sorry.
Why are you so fixated on the mentality? What matters is how the tactic plays, not the overall team mentality. We have very defensive tactics and very offensive tactics without using Attacking or Defending mentality. Also, it's not like other mentalities are not being tested, they are just not scoring enough to be at the top.
because i used balanced mentality with my underdog team in the fa cup, then i got absolutely trashed in the first half by Manchester United. out of desperation i used the attacking mentality tactics like promotheus 2.0 which leveled the scoreboard to 2-2 in the second half then in extra time there was no more goals and proceeds to penalty shootout which i luckily won. I know my experience doesn't mean that balanced mentality doesn't work, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah for most of the season which was great against teams comparable to mine and dominate against teams that are weaker, but like in the first place i started commenting here is that balanced mentality is not enough when you are the underdog. i have used balanced mentality multiple times against giants such as man city, Liverpool, Chelsea and i won only a few times using 4-2-4 alhamdulillah, i won against man city with similar experience like my man utd match which is using promotheus 2.0 in the second half, lost against Liverpool 3-2 in the extra time, Chelsea just outright slaughtered me 4-1.
another thing is i would like to change mentality mid match as per condition, like when i was against arsenal in the first half i was up by 1-0 in score. then rather than stay attacking with promotheus 2.0 i would like to change to a different mentality with the same shape then i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah 0.8 with a balanced mentality which was a mistake as i got absolutely destroyed by arsenal in the second half losing 3-1. another example is when i was against crystal palace, i was at the same position like in my arsenal match, in the second half rather than using balanced 4-2-4, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah by tomaka which has a cautious mentality then i won 1-0 against crystal palace.
so in conclusion i like to reiterate balance mentality is good, but it's never enough when you're up against giant teams. it just made your team looked like they were sleeping the whole match, no attacks were made, no counters, just absolutely pure domination by the other team. I was lucky i found promotheus 2.0, because the next day promotheus 2.0 just drops in the scoreboard and went to another page, which made me realize how hard it was to search for decent tactics with the mentality you want in this site.
CBP87 said: You haven't offended me. Again Ill say that you'll find these tactics at the top of the table because this shape and mentality is working on this M.E. Its not the tactics you have an issue with its the filtering options that are available from what I've read.@Zippo is there any potential scope to maybe add a filer in for mentality on the tactics table? @Itsyaboy420 There is already a filter available for the shape you want.
thanks man, i actually never noticed that you could search by shape.
Itsyaboy420 said: because i used balanced mentality with my underdog team in the fa cup, then i got absolutely trashed in the first half by Manchester United. out of desperation i used the attacking mentality tactics like promotheus 2.0 which leveled the scoreboard to 2-2 in the second half then in extra time there was no more goals and proceeds to penalty shootout which i luckily won. I know my experience doesn't mean that balanced mentality doesn't work, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah for most of the season which was great against teams comparable to mine and dominate against teams that are weaker, but like in the first place i started commenting here is that balanced mentality is not enough when you are the underdog. i have used balanced mentality multiple times against giants such as man city, Liverpool, Chelsea and i won only a few times using 4-2-4 alhamdulillah, i won against man city with similar experience like my man utd match which is using promotheus 2.0 in the second half, lost against Liverpool 3-2 in the extra time, Chelsea just outright slaughtered me 4-1.
another thing is i would like to change mentality mid match as per condition, like when i was against arsenal in the first half i was up by 1-0 in score. then rather than stay attacking with promotheus 2.0 i would like to change to a different mentality with the same shape then i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah 0.8 with a balanced mentality which was a mistake as i got absolutely destroyed by arsenal in the second half losing 3-1. another example is when i was against crystal palace, i was at the same position like in my arsenal match, in the second half rather than using balanced 4-2-4, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah by tomaka which has a cautious mentality then i won 1-0 against crystal palace.
so in conclusion i liked reiterate balance mentality is good, but it's never enough when you're up against giant teams. it just made your team looked like they were sleeping the whole match, no attacks were made, no counters, just absolutely pure domination by the other team.
Balance should be a starter opening,you can tweak the tactic for what you actually need, i mean sorry to even sound "mean" but how do you believe an underdog should've have aggressive mentality vs a "elite/top level team"? I mean that's doesn't even make sense,you want more aggresion to the ball? You should use OI's or try to tweak up like you did switching to prometheus etc, you are right Balance shouldn't be a "ever green", more then mentality we need to understand why as underdog the intesity of our pressing drop so low on under those circumstances.
Delicious said: Balance should be a starter opening,you can tweak the tactic for what you actually need, i mean sorry to even sound "mean" but how do you believe an underdog should've have aggressive mentality vs a "elite/top level team"? I mean that's doesn't even make sense,you want more aggresion to the ball? You should use OI's or try to tweak up like you did switching to prometheus etc, you are right Balance shouldn't be a "ever green", more then mentality we need to understand why as underdog the intesity of our pressing drop so low on under those circumstances.
yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing.
Interceptions were buffed in this patch, so having a solid defense is more effective than having a strong attack. That's why the top tactics will have two DMs and even three defenders. More attacking approaches will lose more possession, causing more counter-attacks, which are also more effective since dribbling got buffed as well.
You can open FM22, load any tactic and take note of dribbles made and interceptions, then put the same tactic on FM23 and check the difference. FM23 will have at least double of those statistics.
Itsyaboy420 said: yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing.
I did understand perfectly your point, is the same thing is frustrating me, but seem in order to get on positive and attacking you need to change the role positions and stuff, i am testing those stuff as well atm i am just checking if we can put any more spicy PI but seem they are all just cosmetic or making worst the tactic so it's kinda hard,just a bit of patience on regards of the "spam" tactics, but how arena is worked till now, pretty sure they gonna figure-out soon how to give more "appeal" to the tactic test layout as even Zaz suggested in this thread.
ZaZ said: Interceptions were buffed in this patch, so having a solid defense is more effective than having a strong attack. That's why the top tactics will have two DMs and even three defenders. More attacking approaches will lose more possession, causing more counter-attacks, which are also more effective since dribbling got buffed as well.
You can open FM22, load any tactic and take note of dribbles made and interceptions, then put the same tactic on FM23 and check the difference. FM23 will have at least double of those statistics.
yes i agree, using promotheus 2.0 just loses the possession like mad. but it produces goals, unlike the 4-2-4 alhamdulillah when against giants. so my possession would be like 43 but the shots produced and xg rating is higher than what 4-2-4 alhamdulillah would produce. even if most of those shots missed at least my player are still shooting compared to when using 4-2-4 balanced i would only have like 3 shots for an entire half against teams like man city. possession is important when you are at least even with the other team, but when against teams like man city and you are the underdog, i would usually just ignore my horrid possession and look to my shots stat
Itsyaboy420 said: yes i agree, using promotheus 2.0 just loses the possession like mad. but it produces goals, unlike the 4-2-4 alhamdulillah when against giants. so my possession would be like 43 but the shots produced and xg rating is higher than what 4-2-4 alhamdulillah would produce. even if most of those shots missed at least my player are still shooting compared to when using 4-2-4 balanced i would only have like 3 shots for an entire half against teams like man city. possession is important when you are at least even with the other team, but when against teams like man city and you are the underdog, i would usually just ignore my horrid possession and look to my shots stat
You do realize that you are normally expected to lose with underdogs against teams like Manchester City, right? If a tactic allows you to be even with them or even win, you should celebrate.