TommyToxic said: How did you determine the best formations for AI? Expand
by testing all of them?
mscottdm said: Excuse me , I know this isnt the correct forum , but I want to ask what is the difference of the 23.4.0 (N) patch compared to the 23.4.0 . I have searched on the web but I cant seem to find anything regarding this new update. Furthermore , the game itself hasnt downloaded any new patch . Once again, knowing that this is the wrong forum , but it seems to be the most active. Apologies for any incoveniences. Expand
(N) just indicates that it's been tested on our new tactic testing league.
23.4.0 is the latest patch and there's has been any other patch since.
Zippo said: I can only provide you with a game save at the end of a test - Game Save
the bellow 2 the most OP formation for AI
But bear in mind, to be successful in real game the "Non Tactical" attributes of an AI manager should also be high but for a tactic testing league it isn't that important some we ignored many of them like, I'm talking about attributes like "Buying Players", "Negotiating", "Business" and some other.
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Thank you for sharing the attributes! I am gonna have fun playing around with these. Just one question, what is physicality of play? I don't find that in FMRTE.
I want to let you know that soon, there'll be some improvements to FM-Arena Tactic Testing League.
We've managed to adjust the league setting in such way that we forced AI Controlled Teams to play only vs Human Controlled Teams and Human Controlled Teams to play only vs AI controlled Teams, that adjustments prevent wasting computing power on calculation matches where AI Controlled Teams play vs AI Controlled Teams matches and that speeds up the testing process about 2-3 times , so we probably will be able to test the tactics in the Hall of Fame for 7,000 - 8,000 matches instead 2,000 - 4,000 marches as it happens now.
So the updated tactic testing league would look something like this:
AI Controlled Teams play only vs Human Controlled Teams:
Human Controlled Teams play only vs AI Controlled Teams:
So no more spending computing power on calculating matches where AI Controlled Teams plays vs AI Controlled Teams matches, which speeds up the testing process 2-3 times.
Also, there'll be other improvements, for example, at the moment we've gathered huge amount of data about which AI tactical settings work the best and we're gonna implement them so no more spending computing power on testing vs weak AI managers.
I hope you like it!
Cheers. Expand
btw Zippo, one more question. can the manager attributes be edited using in game editor? or is it pregame editor only? asking because I have never bought the in game editor so idk what i need to edit the managers like you did.
Floppyaams said: btw Zippo, one more question. can the manager attributes be edited using in game editor? or is it pregame editor only? asking because I have never bought the in game editor so idk what i need to edit the managers like you did. Expand
To be honest after I did explored more in depth FMRTE the in game editor seem totaly useless. If you want to edit tendencies and stuff you can do that only vie editor. Pre-game is usefull if you wanna do fast test like transfer players etc
Hello all, So, for my understanding, the net best overall tactic is Blau Diamond Tweak and not Pressure cooker? Because its doing better vs elite managers in comparisson with the rest of the tactics?
Guidito said: Hello all, So, for my understanding, the net best overall tactic is Blau Diamond Tweak and not Pressure cooker? Because its doing better vs elite managers in comparisson with the rest of the tactics? Expand
But in reality, most of the times you are not competing with elite managers - perhaps, only on UCL. So, to perhaps over simplify, would it not be pressure cooker the best tactic for 'normal' games and blau diamond the best for 'elite' games? Hope my point was understood and thanks again for the amazing work
The difference from each tactic is minimal, so i guess that you can take whatever tactic you like the most (pressure or blau diamond) and use that as it will not impact your overall results.
Gracolas said: The difference from each tactic is minimal, so i guess that you can take whatever tactic you like the most (pressure or blau diamond) and use that as it will not impact your overall results. Expand
I beated everyone in my save (1-7 against Man City included) with a 52 points tactic
Guidito said: But in reality, most of the times you are not competing with elite managers - perhaps, only on UCL. So, to perhaps over simplify, would it not be pressure cooker the best tactic for 'normal' games and blau diamond the best for 'elite' games? Hope my point was understood and thanks again for the amazing work Expand
Doesn't work like that, if "blau diamond" is the "best", how do you believe will not the best if facing "normal", tactics? You guys need to understand that there is no "better" tactics for underdog or for alphamale. Is about your players output as well.
You can play even with attacking if you have all salah players and mule the M.E.
hello, im totally new here and curious to know how we can submit or tested our handmade tactics. I just found the savegame that already filled/ match played. thanks in advance @Zippo
tuminiballfm said: hello, im totally new here and curious to know how we can submit or tested our handmade tactics. I just found the savegame that already filled/ match played. thanks in advance @Zippo Expand
TommyToxic said: How did you determine the best formations for AI?
by testing all of them?
mscottdm said: Excuse me , I know this isnt the correct forum , but I want to ask what is the difference of the 23.4.0 (N) patch compared to the 23.4.0 . I have searched on the web but I cant seem to find anything regarding this new update. Furthermore , the game itself hasnt downloaded any new patch . Once again, knowing that this is the wrong forum , but it seems to be the most active. Apologies for any incoveniences.
(N) just indicates that it's been tested on our new tactic testing league.
23.4.0 is the latest patch and there's has been any other patch since.
@Zippo what is this formation on the new testing league?
dzek said: @Zippo what is this formation on the new testing league?
it's a standard 4-2-3-1
"C" doesn't have any special meaning
Zippo said: I can only provide you with a game save at the end of a test - Game Save
the bellow 2 the most OP formation for AI
But bear in mind, to be successful in real game the "Non Tactical" attributes of an AI manager should also be high but for a tactic testing league it isn't that important some we ignored many of them like, I'm talking about attributes like "Buying Players", "Negotiating", "Business" and some other.
Thank you for sharing the attributes! I am gonna have fun playing around with these. Just one question, what is physicality of play? I don't find that in FMRTE.
Zippo said: by testing all of them?
(N) just indicates that it's been tested on our new tactic testing league.
23.4.0 is the latest patch and there's has been any other patch since.
Alright then , thank you very much
Zippo said: it's a standard 4-2-3-1
"C" doesn't have any special meaning
So there are two 4-2-3-1 formations in the new testing league?
dzek said: So there are two 4-2-3-1 formations in the new testing league?
He uploaded a game save. You can check it by yourself.
Zeyad said: 2 4231s one with DMs and one with CMs (the one with the C)
Nope, both use DMs
Zippo said: Hey everybody,
, so we probably will be able to test the tactics in the Hall of Fame for 7,000 - 8,000 matches instead 2,000 - 4,000 marches as it happens now.
I want to let you know that soon, there'll be some improvements to FM-Arena Tactic Testing League.
We've managed to adjust the league setting in such way that we forced AI Controlled Teams to play only vs Human Controlled Teams and Human Controlled Teams to play only vs AI controlled Teams, that adjustments prevent wasting computing power on calculation matches where AI Controlled Teams play vs AI Controlled Teams matches and that speeds up the testing process about 2-3 times
So the updated tactic testing league would look something like this:
AI Controlled Teams play only vs Human Controlled Teams:
Human Controlled Teams play only vs AI Controlled Teams:
So no more spending computing power on calculating matches where AI Controlled Teams plays vs AI Controlled Teams matches, which speeds up the testing process 2-3 times.
Also, there'll be other improvements, for example, at the moment we've gathered huge amount of data about which AI tactical settings work the best and we're gonna implement them so no more spending computing power on testing vs weak AI managers.
I hope you like it!
Cheers.
btw Zippo, one more question. can the manager attributes be edited using in game editor? or is it pregame editor only? asking because I have never bought the in game editor so idk what i need to edit the managers like you did.
Is this what the 23.4 (N) patch is for? I was wondering what the difference was between that table and the 23.4 one
ryan3 said: Is this what the 23.4 (N) patch is for?
Yes.
Floppyaams said: btw Zippo, one more question. can the manager attributes be edited using in game editor? or is it pregame editor only? asking because I have never bought the in game editor so idk what i need to edit the managers like you did.
To be honest after I did explored more in depth FMRTE the in game editor seem totaly useless. If you want to edit tendencies and stuff you can do that only vie editor. Pre-game is usefull if you wanna do fast test like transfer players etc
Hello all,
So, for my understanding, the net best overall tactic is Blau Diamond Tweak and not Pressure cooker?
Because its doing better vs elite managers in comparisson with the rest of the tactics?
Guidito said: Hello all,
and thanks again for the amazing work
So, for my understanding, the net best overall tactic is Blau Diamond Tweak and not Pressure cooker?
Because its doing better vs elite managers in comparisson with the rest of the tactics?
But in reality, most of the times you are not competing with elite managers - perhaps, only on UCL.
So, to perhaps over simplify, would it not be pressure cooker the best tactic for 'normal' games and blau diamond the best for 'elite' games? Hope my point was understood
The difference from each tactic is minimal, so i guess that you can take whatever tactic you like the most (pressure or blau diamond) and use that as it will not impact your overall results.
Gracolas said: The difference from each tactic is minimal, so i guess that you can take whatever tactic you like the most (pressure or blau diamond) and use that as it will not impact your overall results.
I beated everyone in my save (1-7 against Man City included) with a 52 points tactic
Guidito said: But in reality, most of the times you are not competing with elite managers - perhaps, only on UCL.
and thanks again for the amazing work
So, to perhaps over simplify, would it not be pressure cooker the best tactic for 'normal' games and blau diamond the best for 'elite' games? Hope my point was understood
Doesn't work like that, if "blau diamond" is the "best", how do you believe will not the best if facing "normal", tactics? You guys need to understand that there is no "better" tactics for underdog or for alphamale. Is about your players output as well.
You can play even with attacking if you have all salah players and mule the M.E.
will it be further testing of tactics from 23.4.0? since it's kinda stopped at some moment with only new tactics being tested
opq said: will it be further testing of tactics from 23.4.0? since it's kinda stopped at some moment with only new tactics being tested
We find that all valuable tactics from 23.4.0 haven been tested already.
what'bout 2.5?
hello, im totally new here and curious to know how we can submit or tested our handmade tactics. I just found the savegame that already filled/ match played. thanks in advance @Zippo
tuminiballfm said: hello, im totally new here and curious to know how we can submit or tested our handmade tactics. I just found the savegame that already filled/ match played. thanks in advance @Zippo
Post your tactic there - https://fm-arena.com/board/8-football-manager-2023-tactics-sharing-section/
More info - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2733-how-to-get-your-tactic-tested/
With the option of transferring your FM23 Save to 24/Beta, is it possible to already start some tactics testing?
Darrylweezy said: With the option of transferring your FM23 Save to 24/Beta, is it possible to already start some tactics testing?
I'm sure to start testing it also requires having some necessary tools such as FMRTE and the official in-game editor.
Chewbacca said: I'm sure to start testing it also requires having some necessary tools such as FMRTE and the official in-game editor.
Darrylweezy said: With the option of transferring your FM23 Save to 24/Beta, is it possible to already start some tactics testing?
Yes, that's true. We're waiting for FMRTE to start testing.
Ah no problem, looking forward to it!
FMRTE is out so it’s matter of time to have the very first test result!
Here we go again!
Jumping in on this. Do you guys prefer in-game editor or FMRTE?
stefanopt said: Jumping in on this. Do you guys prefer in-game editor or FMRTE?
They both have some useful unique features.
Unforutanlty, the official in-game only drops with the full game release.
So at the moment only FMRTE is available.
@Zippo can we have a finished game save of the testing league?