Box Levante - Dzek Tweak V1.3

A tweak version of Box Levante by @Chris.

Mentality: Attacking  -->  Positive
TIs added: Underlap Right
TIs removed: Overlap Right, Distribute Quickly, Get Stuck In, Step Up More

Let's see the 4k tests

Wow if it can resist the 4k, i think it's the first tactic without Get Stuck In and Step Up More i've seen to have these results

Hi everyone,

I'm going to take this little bit of time, because of where this tactic is in the first place in relation to its formation and most people just watch first tactics only, to say a few things. (I don't know if it will remain in the position the tactic is in now as I write this)

After several tests I've done in the past, mostly on the 24.1 version, but also some on this one (24.2) here on FM-Arena I've noticed some things about the testing league and I want to share them with you.

AI managers have mostly the same attributes as each other and that means they play and approach matches in the same way. It also means that they use the same roles (each formation among themselves) and because of that the formations and the way one builds tactics in general and tests them here is generally quite predictable as to what the outcome will be.

Let me give you an example.
All AI managers without exception use IWB(s) on DR/WBR and WB(a) on DL/WBL and after my own testing and that of others here and elsewhere we conclude that IWBs inside FM24 are weak at defending. So with that in mind I can simply put in 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' and I will get better results with almost all formations and roles that encourage these moves. There are other things though I think you get the point here.

At this point I want to ask, ultimately what are we trying to create? A tactic that will get the most points within the testing league or the best possible tactic that will get the most points within regular careers?

The reason I ask this is because within the testing league there is no diversity in terms of the opponent and with that being said simply the best tactic here just beats teams within the testing league and not sure if it will pay off the same in a regular season/career.

In closing I want to say that for me, as far as this particular formation is concerned, the best (mine) version is this and not this one for regular seasons.

Thank You!


PS 1 I am not writing this to confront anyone or to malign the practices of the staff here at FM-Arena. I certainly appreciate the work they do and in general for the space they have here and hosting us.

PS 2 Please anyone who wishes to discuss this topic please speak respectfully to all and comments should be constructive.

dzek said: Hi everyone,

I'm going to take this little bit of time, because of where this tactic is in the first place in relation to its formation, to say a few things. (I don't know if it will remain in the position the tactic is in now as I write this)

After several tests I've done in the past, mostly on the 24.1 version, but also some on this one (24.2) here on FM-Arena I've noticed some things about the testing league and I want to share them with you.

AI managers have mostly the same attributes as each other and that means they play and approach matches in the same way. It also means that they use the same roles (each formation among themselves) and because of that the formations and the way one builds tactics in general and tests them here is generally quite predictable as to what the outcome will be.

Let me give you an example. All AI managers without exception use IWB(s) on DR and WB(a) on DL and after my own testing and that of others here and elsewhere we conclude that IWBs inside FM24 are weak at defending. So with that in mind I can simply put in 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' and I will get better results with almost all formations and roles that encourage these moves. There are other things though I think you get the point here.

At this point I want to ask, ultimately what are we trying to create? A tactic that will get the most points within the testing league or the best possible tactic that will get the most points within regular careers?

The reason I ask this is because within the testing league there is no diversity in terms of the opponent and with that being said simply the best tactic here just beats teams within the testing league and not sure if it will pay off the same in a regular season/career.

In closing I want to say that for me, as far as this particular formation is concerned, the best (my) version is this and not this one.

Thank You!


PS 1 I am not writing this to confront anyone or to malign the practices of the staff here at FM-Arena. I certainly appreciate the work they do and in general for the space they have here and hosting us.

PS 2 Please anyone who wishes to discuss this topic please speak respectfully to all and comments should be constructive. Expand

I have to admit, I prefer to use positive or balanced mentality in my personal saves and I don't often release them especially the positive ones as they seem to do so poor in testing.

Some very good points made there though

CBP87 said: I have to admit, I prefer to use positive or balanced mentality in my personal saves and I don't often release them especially the positive ones as they seem to do so poor in testing.

Some very good points made there though Expand
The issue here is not necessarily about 'Positive', 'Balanced' etc. It's a bit more general and is intended to improve the testing league so that the 'best' tactics here, to stand out in regular seasons too.

Btw I also use the 'Positive' mentality and don't change it in matches, except when I desperately want to score goals and generally increase my team's risk.