Box Levante x Pirate

Using mine 4231 Pirate's defensive logic with @Chris  (with @dzek 's tweaks) Box Levante offensive shape.

Wow

Oh my god..

Here we are!

Focus Play Down The Left + Overlap Left for those who have read my previous threads.

SK(A) became that much op? lmao

It's interesting how a defensive tweak improves the attack but not the defence )

alex said: It's interesting how a defensive tweak improves the attack but not the defence ) Expand

That's because i started from my 4231 Pirate idea, which was very effective defensively but less in scoring, i wanted the Box Levante's amount of goals, so i tried to add offensive mood of this one to the former one, btw some new version are already in testing queue, so we'll see e.e

Gianaa9 said: That's because i started from my 4231 Pirate idea, which was very effective defensively but less in scoring, i wanted the Box Levante's amount of goals, so i tried to add offensive mood of this one to the former one, btw some new version are already in testing queue, so we'll see e.e Expand

I still dont get it the defensive idea, can u explain it  better? Changelog not clear.

letsgo9 said: I still dont get it the defensive idea, can u explain it  better? Changelog not clear. Expand

So sorry, i'll try to be more clear: in this version i wanted to try fullback instead of wingbacks to be more solid, then i created other versions (still in testing queue) with PI on FBs more similar to 4231 Pirate ones, so curious if they will have some effects or not

btw it dropped so bad :c

Player instructions ?

dzek said: Focus Play Down The Left + Overlap Left for those who have read my previous threads. Expand

So far, what you say has been proven to be wrong many times in many shapes.

Please, don't mislead people and don't present your "assumptions" as facts.

Sandro said: So far, what you say has been proven to be wrong many times in many shapes.

Please, don't mislead people and don't present your "assumptions" as facts. Expand
I respect what you say but I would like you to tell me more about it with facts.

New king, gz  =)

dzek said: Let me give you an example.
All AI managers without exception use IWB(s) on DR/WBR and WB(a) on DL/WBL and after my own testing and that of others here and elsewhere we conclude that IWBs inside FM24 are weak at defending. So with that in mind I can simply put in 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' and I will get better results with almost all formations and roles that encourage these moves. There are other things we can take as examples as well, but I think you get the point here. Expand

The above is presented as a fact when it's far away to be true, you can see it by checking the results of many tested tactics so far.

I mean, before saying something like that why would you tested it? It's really easy to do... just as you say add 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' to "almost any formation" and show us how you "break" the test league with your tweaks.

Sandro said: The above is presented as a fact when it's far away to be true, you can see it by checking the results of many tested tactics so far.

I mean, before saying something like that why would you tested it? It's really easy to do... just as you say add 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' to "almost any formation" and show us how you "break" the test league with your tweaks. Expand
Read it again and pay attention to the big bold letters.

Let me give you an example.
All AI managers without exception use IWB(s) on DR/WBR and WB(a) on DL/WBL and after my own testing and that of others here and elsewhere we conclude that IWBs inside FM24 are weak at defending. So with that in mind I can simply put in 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' and I will get better results with almost all formations and roles that encourage these moves. There are other things we can take as examples as well, but I think you get the point here.

Other than that I have my opinion (whether right or wrong) and anyone can refute me with facts so that I can find out where I am wrong.

The fact that this year WB/FB (and not just this year) are very strong and playing in this particular tactic against a W and an IWB, on the left side completely alone, but at the same time being efficient doesn't tell you anything? I consistently get better results from my DL than from my DR and I use a test league that is almost identical to FMArena's. And just to catch you up in case you happen to have read my other thread here, no it's not that test league I'm referring to.

dzek said: Read it again and pay attention to the big bold letters.

Let me give you an example.
All AI managers without exception use IWB(s) on DR/WBR and WB(a) on DL/WBL and after my own testing and that of others here and elsewhere we conclude that IWBs inside FM24 are weak at defending. So with that in mind I can simply put in 'Focus Play Down The Left' & 'Overlap Left' and I will get better results with almost all formations and roles that encourage these moves. There are other things we can take as examples as well, but I think you get the point here.

Other than that I have my opinion (whether right or wrong) and anyone can refute me with facts so that I can find out where I am wrong.

The fact that this year WB/FB (and not just this year) are very strong and playing in this particular tactic against a W and an IWB, on the left side completely alone, but at the same time being efficient doesn't tell you anything? I consistently get better results from my DR than from my DL and I use a test league that is almost identical to FMArena's. And just to catch you up in case you happen to have read my other thread here, no it's not that test league I'm referring to. Expand

Mate, some interaction are better with overalp some others are not. It's pretty simple. What you should check if how much those "TI" literally impact on the scenario you did literally mentioned.


About this test, to be honest the only thing caught my attention is "GK on Attack".

Delicious said: Mate, some interaction are better with overalp some others are not. It's pretty simple. What you should check if how much those "TI" literally impact on the scenario you did literally mentioned.


About this test, to be honest the only thing caught my attention is "GK on Attack". Expand
I agree, man. I didn't discover nuclear physics with what I said. IWB have a weakness in defending this year and IF you use formations/instructions/roles/duties that encourages that movement then you will get better results - NOT the best results in general.

Are the player instructions in this tactic the same as the previous version?

Player instructions?

@towmater42 @Pi pls @Talkingtactcis
and everyone else who needs PIs:

@Gianaa9 for each position is there a certain type of player you are looking for?