For small teams it is very good, especially at the end of games or when you open two to zero. In addition to hardly conceding goals, it is excellent because it saves energy!
So, always start with god as chaos, and when you are in front of a large team at home or away, park the bus. You will rarely concede goals. Furthermore, god as chaos uses up a lot of your team's energy. So, set up a game plan and when you score two or three to zero, change it to 523 Drawing Machine - Very Defensive - Low xGA, so your players can rest and you can easily get the 3 points
For small teams it is very good, especially at the end of games or when you open two to zero. In addition to hardly conceding goals, it is excellent because it saves energy!
So, always start with god as chaos, and when you are in front of a large team at home or away, park the bus. You will rarely concede goals. Furthermore, god as chaos uses up a lot of your team's energy. So, set up a game plan and when you score two or three to zero, change it to 523 Drawing Machine - Very Defensive - Low xGA, so your players can rest and you can easily get the 3 points Expand
I've just tried it out by simulating a season with Gateshead, originally scheduled to finish 14th. I've also put on the Katana SP. I just rode them for the championship. I had tried it with Ispwich Town scheduled 20th I finished second with this tactic. Excellent work.
i have issues versus good teams etc. mancity arsenal, liverpool. i am currently manager of m'boro. i have a decent squad but i cant win against good squads. i wanna ask which type of dm's are u using? i am using one deep-lying playmaker and ballwinner. which one should be on the right or left side? also i wanna ask which type of winger are u using? i am not simulating against big teams. mostly we lost on the stat table and scoreboard. should i go balanced mentality or ..? what type of wingers and forwards are you using? i am playing casual but i got bad losses recently and my enjoyment is kinda ruined. thank you for your effort. it is actually very good on lower leagues.
fmanagerenjoyer said: i have issues versus good teams etc. mancity arsenal, liverpool. i am currently manager of m'boro. i have a decent squad but i cant win against good squads. i wanna ask which type of dm's are u using? i am using one deep-lying playmaker and ballwinner. which one should be on the right or left side? also i wanna ask which type of winger are u using? i am not simulating against big teams. mostly we lost on the stat table and scoreboard. should i go balanced mentality or ..? what type of wingers and forwards are you using? i am playing casual but i got bad losses recently and my enjoyment is kinda ruined. thank you for your effort. it is actually very good on lower leagues. Expand
Hey! This is a ''plug and play'' tactic. Just load the tactic as it is and pick ur team. I am not the the owner of the tactic obviously) but, I believe if you change the 2 dms' roles the tactic won't be as effective.
From experience, there is no tactic that'll allow u to beat all big teams in ur early seasons managing a weak side. You have to strengthen ur team and u will eventually get there.
If you want to smash everyone without having to grind, you can manage a top team or just use the editor and bump up ur players' attributes.
I am managing a team in North Macedonia and it took me 9 seasons to get to the quarter final of the champions league)))
abde said: Hey! This is a ''plug and play'' tactic. Just load the tactic as it is and pick ur team. I am not the the owner of the tactic obviously) but, I believe if you change the 2 dms' roles the tactic won't be as effective.
From experience, there is no tactic that'll allow u to beat all big teams in ur early seasons managing a weak side. You have to strengthen ur team and u will eventually get there.
If you want to smash everyone without having to grind, you can manage a top team or just use the editor and bump up ur players' attributes.
I am managing a team in North Macedonia and it took me 9 seasons to get to the quarter final of the champions league))) Expand
i see you. thank you for your answer. i am not changing the roles of dm's. i want to know what type of players do you guys use? i dont change the tactic.
mmigueis said: Do you make any changes to whom the inside forwards man-mark when you play against teams that play with wingbacks (instead of fullbacks)? Expand
To be honest, you've brought up a really good point. I haven't changed it in the past because I've forgotten about the instruction but I would say yes change it to the wing back. So alternate between full back and wingback depending on the opposition formation
TheSpambotGuy said: Do you switch to 'Play for Set Pieces' in games, or you never change the tactics? Expand
Hey, it depends on the size of my squad to be honest, if I have short arses then no, I also won't play invite crosses, but If I have quite a tall team and the oppisition is vulnerable to the odd set piece then Ill add it, I also look out for the assitant manager pre game telling me to do it
Hi, there, Simulated a season disabling the first mercato so 0 transfer. FC Martigues team of Ligue 2 predicted 20th, therefore last. Result: Champions, promotion, best attack with 110 goals scored. Insane.
I know this is plug and play (as I want it). Absolutely dominated 1st season with Chelsea, but start of second season is not as smooth as first. I bought osimhen and kvaratskhelia to boost my attack but somehow the goals aren’t coming. Still lots of shots though so maybe just unlucky or . maybe AI is more defensive against me now? Should I just let I play out or do you make changes in other seasons?
nijak05 said: [I know this is plug and play (as I want it). Absolutely dominated 1st season with Chelsea, but start of second season is not as smooth as first. I bought osimhen and kvaratskhelia to boost my attack but somehow the goals aren’t coming. Still lots of shots though so maybe just unlucky or . maybe AI is more defensive against me now? Should I just let I play out or do you make changes in other seasons? Expand
I don't change anything, just let it play out and it will hopefully come good once the players get use to it
Back playing FM after many years out. Playing console.
Wanting to use this tactic as it looks great and I think 1 up front and an additional midfielder would hopefully stop better teams running riot vs say a 2 striker tactic. Would you agree?
Also, the injuries seem to be insane in FM24, I seem to pick up 2 or 3 a week minimum. If I didn't use attacking mentality and didn't tackle harder, would this tactic still be effective or is it reliant on those aspects?
Final questions - is there any way to turn injuries down? Or just built into game this way? And can you recommend any wonderkids to play in this tactic? I'm managing Sunderland, have some good young players but almost no transfer or wage budget to sign anyone. So budget player recommendations appreciated.
Back playing FM after many years out. Playing console.
Wanting to use this tactic as it looks great and I think 1 up front and an additional midfielder would hopefully stop better teams running riot vs say a 2 striker tactic. Would you agree?
Also, the injuries seem to be insane in FM24, I seem to pick up 2 or 3 a week minimum. If I didn't use attacking mentality and didn't tackle harder, would this tactic still be effective or is it reliant on those aspects?
Final questions - is there any way to turn injuries down? Or just built into game this way? And can you recommend any wonderkids to play in this tactic? I'm managing Sunderland, have some good young players but almost no transfer or wage budget to sign anyone. So budget player recommendations appreciated.
Thanks Expand
Key to less injuries is to give your players plenty of rest after the games, either through "Rest" settings in training tab or manually after each game.
Yarema said: Key to less injuries is to give your players plenty of rest after the games, either through "Rest" settings in training tab or manually after each game. Expand
nijak05 said: Ok I will just keep at it.. any traits I should be aware of for the front line players - “likes to beat man repeatedly etc?” What do you recommend? Expand
beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
CBP87 said: beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left Expand
Honestly I find footedness is very individual. Some players perform better on same side as their dominant foot and some on the other. Haven't figured out a way to know other than simply playing them and noticing where they perform better.
What I'm comfortable saying is that it's certainly not the end of the world if you play a right footed player as IF on right. I feel it was much more of an issue in previous FMs.
CBP87 said: beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left Expand
Thank you! I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances. My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105 Million pound player.
nijak05 said: Thank you! I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances. My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105 Million pound player.
Tips? Expand
I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast
CBP87 said: I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast Expand
So many shots, even on target, but just low conversion rate is killing me sometimes 22 shots 12 on target, 2 goals from corners and opponent keeper rating of 7,6 but my attacking players get low ratings because they can’t convert. This is palmer, osimhen, kvarradonna and yamal 🤣 it’s annoying
nijak05 said: So many shots, even on target, but just low conversion rate is killing me sometimes 22 shots 12 on target, 2 goals from corners and opponent keeper rating of 7,6 but my attacking players get low ratings because they can’t convert. This is palmer, osimhen, kvarradonna and yamal 🤣 it’s annoying
Is this a factor of complacency from the players? Expand
Could very well be, it might be worth sticking shoot less often on him
CBP87 said: Yeah, see how you get on with it, I'm not saying it's going to work, but they should start shooting less and only when a good opportunity arises Expand
I know the tactic works and enjoy using it but what will a change of mentality to fx. Balanced do? It we have so many shots but low xG - doesn’t that mean that they are rushing the shots ? Or maybe the shoot less often will have the same effect.?
nijak05 said: I know the tactic works and enjoy using it but what will a change of mentality to fx. Balanced do? It we have so many shots but low xG - doesn’t that mean that they are rushing the shots ? Or maybe the shoot less often will have the same effect.? Expand
I mean, you can try a balanced approach, it will reduce the intensity of the tactic, what sort of XG are you getting?
Incredible tactic! For those who have small teams, and even asked in the thread, I have this tip.
Park the bus and be happy with this tactic: link: https://fm-arena.com/thread/13232-523-drawing-machine-very-defensive-low-xga/ .
For small teams it is very good, especially at the end of games or when you open two to zero. In addition to hardly conceding goals, it is excellent because it saves energy!
So, always start with god as chaos, and when you are in front of a large team at home or away, park the bus. You will rarely concede goals. Furthermore, god as chaos uses up a lot of your team's energy. So, set up a game plan and when you score two or three to zero, change it to 523 Drawing Machine - Very Defensive - Low xGA, so your players can rest and you can easily get the 3 points
Any player instructions?
Eddie said: Incredible tactic! For those who have small teams, and even asked in the thread, I have this tip.
Park the bus and be happy with this tactic: link: https://fm-arena.com/thread/13232-523-drawing-machine-very-defensive-low-xga/ .
For small teams it is very good, especially at the end of games or when you open two to zero. In addition to hardly conceding goals, it is excellent because it saves energy!
So, always start with god as chaos, and when you are in front of a large team at home or away, park the bus. You will rarely concede goals. Furthermore, god as chaos uses up a lot of your team's energy. So, set up a game plan and when you score two or three to zero, change it to 523 Drawing Machine - Very Defensive - Low xGA, so your players can rest and you can easily get the 3 points
Dallas said: Any player instructions?
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/37780/
I've just tried it out by simulating a season with Gateshead, originally scheduled to finish 14th. I've also put on the Katana SP. I just rode them for the championship. I had tried it with Ispwich Town scheduled 20th I finished second with this tactic. Excellent work.
i have issues versus good teams etc. mancity arsenal, liverpool. i am currently manager of m'boro. i have a decent squad but i cant win against good squads. i wanna ask which type of dm's are u using? i am using one deep-lying playmaker and ballwinner. which one should be on the right or left side? also i wanna ask which type of winger are u using? i am not simulating against big teams. mostly we lost on the stat table and scoreboard. should i go balanced mentality or ..? what type of wingers and forwards are you using? i am playing casual but i got bad losses recently and my enjoyment is kinda ruined. thank you for your effort. it is actually very good on lower leagues.
fmanagerenjoyer said: i have issues versus good teams etc. mancity arsenal, liverpool. i am currently manager of m'boro. i have a decent squad but i cant win against good squads. i wanna ask which type of dm's are u using? i am using one deep-lying playmaker and ballwinner. which one should be on the right or left side? also i wanna ask which type of winger are u using? i am not simulating against big teams. mostly we lost on the stat table and scoreboard. should i go balanced mentality or ..? what type of wingers and forwards are you using? i am playing casual but i got bad losses recently and my enjoyment is kinda ruined. thank you for your effort. it is actually very good on lower leagues.
Hey! This is a ''plug and play'' tactic. Just load the tactic as it is and pick ur team.
I am not the the owner of the tactic obviously) but, I believe if you change the 2 dms' roles the tactic won't be as effective.
From experience, there is no tactic that'll allow u to beat all big teams in ur early seasons managing a weak side. You have to strengthen ur team and u will eventually get there.
If you want to smash everyone without having to grind, you can manage a top team or just use the editor and bump up ur players' attributes.
I am managing a team in North Macedonia and it took me 9 seasons to get to the quarter final of the champions league)))
abde said: Hey! This is a ''plug and play'' tactic. Just load the tactic as it is and pick ur team.
I am not the the owner of the tactic obviously) but, I believe if you change the 2 dms' roles the tactic won't be as effective.
From experience, there is no tactic that'll allow u to beat all big teams in ur early seasons managing a weak side. You have to strengthen ur team and u will eventually get there.
If you want to smash everyone without having to grind, you can manage a top team or just use the editor and bump up ur players' attributes.
I am managing a team in North Macedonia and it took me 9 seasons to get to the quarter final of the champions league)))
i see you. thank you for your answer. i am not changing the roles of dm's. i want to know what type of players do you guys use? i dont change the tactic.
Do you make any changes to whom the inside forwards man-mark when you play against teams that play with wingbacks (instead of fullbacks)?
mmigueis said: Do you make any changes to whom the inside forwards man-mark when you play against teams that play with wingbacks (instead of fullbacks)?
To be honest, you've brought up a really good point. I haven't changed it in the past because I've forgotten about the instruction but I would say yes change it to the wing back. So alternate between full back and wingback depending on the opposition formation
Do you switch to 'Play for Set Pieces' in games, or you never change the tactics?
TheSpambotGuy said: Do you switch to 'Play for Set Pieces' in games, or you never change the tactics?
Hey, it depends on the size of my squad to be honest, if I have short arses then no, I also won't play invite crosses, but If I have quite a tall team and the oppisition is vulnerable to the odd set piece then Ill add it, I also look out for the assitant manager pre game telling me to do it
That makes sense, thanks mate!
Hi, there,
Simulated a season disabling the first mercato so 0 transfer. FC Martigues team of Ligue 2 predicted 20th, therefore last. Result: Champions, promotion, best attack with 110 goals scored. Insane.
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CBP87 said: https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/37780/
I know this is plug and play (as I want it). Absolutely dominated 1st season with Chelsea, but start of second season is not as smooth as first. I bought osimhen and kvaratskhelia to boost my attack but somehow the goals aren’t coming. Still lots of shots though so maybe just unlucky or . maybe AI is more defensive against me now? Should I just let I play out or do you make changes in other seasons?
nijak05 said: [I know this is plug and play (as I want it). Absolutely dominated 1st season with Chelsea, but start of second season is not as smooth as first. I bought osimhen and kvaratskhelia to boost my attack but somehow the goals aren’t coming. Still lots of shots though so maybe just unlucky or . maybe AI is more defensive against me now? Should I just let I play out or do you make changes in other seasons?
I don't change anything, just let it play out and it will hopefully come good once the players get use to it
Hey,
Back playing FM after many years out. Playing console.
Wanting to use this tactic as it looks great and I think 1 up front and an additional midfielder would hopefully stop better teams running riot vs say a 2 striker tactic. Would you agree?
Also, the injuries seem to be insane in FM24, I seem to pick up 2 or 3 a week minimum. If I didn't use attacking mentality and didn't tackle harder, would this tactic still be effective or is it reliant on those aspects?
Final questions - is there any way to turn injuries down? Or just built into game this way? And can you recommend any wonderkids to play in this tactic? I'm managing Sunderland, have some good young players but almost no transfer or wage budget to sign anyone. So budget player recommendations appreciated.
Thanks
Sygnus said: Hey,
Back playing FM after many years out. Playing console.
Wanting to use this tactic as it looks great and I think 1 up front and an additional midfielder would hopefully stop better teams running riot vs say a 2 striker tactic. Would you agree?
Also, the injuries seem to be insane in FM24, I seem to pick up 2 or 3 a week minimum. If I didn't use attacking mentality and didn't tackle harder, would this tactic still be effective or is it reliant on those aspects?
Final questions - is there any way to turn injuries down? Or just built into game this way? And can you recommend any wonderkids to play in this tactic? I'm managing Sunderland, have some good young players but almost no transfer or wage budget to sign anyone. So budget player recommendations appreciated.
Thanks
Key to less injuries is to give your players plenty of rest after the games, either through "Rest" settings in training tab or manually after each game.
Yarema said: Key to less injuries is to give your players plenty of rest after the games, either through "Rest" settings in training tab or manually after each game.
Thanks, will try that.
CBP87 said: I don't change anything, just let it play out and it will hopefully come good once the players get use to it
Ok I will just keep at it..
any traits I should be aware of for the front line players - “likes to beat man repeatedly etc?” What do you recommend?
nijak05 said: Ok I will just keep at it..
any traits I should be aware of for the front line players - “likes to beat man repeatedly etc?” What do you recommend?
beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
CBP87 said: beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
Honestly I find footedness is very individual. Some players perform better on same side as their dominant foot and some on the other. Haven't figured out a way to know other than simply playing them and noticing where they perform better.
What I'm comfortable saying is that it's certainly not the end of the world if you play a right footed player as IF on right. I feel it was much more of an issue in previous FMs.
CBP87 said: beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
Thank you!
I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances.
My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105
Million pound player.
Tips?
nijak05 said: Thank you!
I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances.
My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105
Million pound player.
Tips?
I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast
CBP87 said: I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast
So many shots, even on target, but just low conversion rate is killing me sometimes 22 shots 12 on target, 2 goals from corners and opponent keeper rating of 7,6 but my attacking players get low ratings because they can’t convert.
This is palmer, osimhen, kvarradonna and yamal 🤣 it’s annoying
Is this a factor of complacency from the players?
nijak05 said: So many shots, even on target, but just low conversion rate is killing me sometimes 22 shots 12 on target, 2 goals from corners and opponent keeper rating of 7,6 but my attacking players get low ratings because they can’t convert.
This is palmer, osimhen, kvarradonna and yamal 🤣 it’s annoying
Is this a factor of complacency from the players?
Could very well be, it might be worth sticking shoot less often on him
On all the front 4? Won’t that change the effectiveness of the tactic?
nijak05 said: On all the front 4? Won’t that change the effectiveness of the tactic?
Yeah, see how you get on with it, I'm not saying it's going to work, but they should start shooting less and only when a good opportunity arises
CBP87 said: Yeah, see how you get on with it, I'm not saying it's going to work, but they should start shooting less and only when a good opportunity arises
I know the tactic works and enjoy using it but what will a change of mentality to fx. Balanced do? It we have so many shots but low xG - doesn’t that mean that they are rushing the shots ?
Or maybe the shoot less often will have the same effect.?
nijak05 said: I know the tactic works and enjoy using it but what will a change of mentality to fx. Balanced do? It we have so many shots but low xG - doesn’t that mean that they are rushing the shots ?
Or maybe the shoot less often will have the same effect.?
I mean, you can try a balanced approach, it will reduce the intensity of the tactic, what sort of XG are you getting?