I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include: - Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena. - Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances. - Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget. - Selling players, for optimal revenue. - Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth. - Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management. - Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback. - Set pieces, to further improve the tactics. - Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes. - Youth player intake, how to optimize the CA and PA of new players, and if it is possible to influence their positions. - Player traits, trying to identify if any of them is noticeably efficient. - Opposition instructions, to improve tactics even further.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate?
Looks good and I look forward to seeing the results this yields. Ive asked before, but do you know any plans on changes to tactic testing going into FM26 with new IP and OP formations? Does anyone know how long itll take to setup the testing database and how long itll take to get it running?
ZaZ said: I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include: - Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena. - Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances. - Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget. - Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth. - Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management. - Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback. - Set pieces, to further improve the tactics. - Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate? Expand
alexej said: Looks good and I look forward to seeing the results this yields. Ive asked before, but do you know any plans on changes to tactic testing going into FM26 with new IP and OP formations? Does anyone know how long itll take to setup the testing database and how long itll take to get it running? Expand
They are usually pretty fast, and I believe they will test the combination of IP and OP (which will probably be saved together).
ZaZ said: I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include: - Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena. - Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances. - Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget. - Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth. - Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management. - Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback. - Set pieces, to further improve the tactics. - Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate? Expand All of these sound really good. Maybe add mentoring and it's impact (assuming it still exists) as well as just general personality and hidden attributes progression as players age.
I've always had a soft spot for youth intakes. Not usually your area but perhaps later on in the cycle when you've completed the above I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show.
Yarema said: All of these sound really good. Maybe add mentoring and it's impact (assuming it still exists) as well as just general personality and hidden attributes progression as players age.
I've always had a soft spot for youth intakes. Not usually your area but perhaps later on in the cycle when you've completed the above I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show. Expand
I might investigate intake, and I also believe it considers your setup in the exact day of intake, and not before or after that. I will add it to the list.
About mentoring, it is a bit harder to verify, because it happens over a long time and there are many variables that can influence development during that time. I simply think it is not worth the time investment to check how mentoring works, compared to other stuff.
About progression of attributes with age, I can check it later considering not only hidden attributes, but also physical, technical and mental. I will see if it can be done, but it is also time consuming and will be left for later.
Yarema said: I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show. Expand I've done some testing of this, just to rule out the possibility that reloading my saves just prior to intake wasn't affecting results of PA testing I was doing. There was no difference, for reloading just before intake as compared to starting new save from scratch each time.
Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me. Below are some results in holiday mode, just starting a new game and setting the tactic (no team selection, set pieces, or anything else).
ZaZ said: Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me. Expand
Dear Zaz I'm your big fan since many years because of your work. Highly appreciate you serving the FM community. Regarding this tactic can you post the results etc
max 737 said: Dear Zaz I'm your big fan since many years because of your work. Highly appreciate you serving the FM community. Regarding this tactic can you post the results etc Expand
ZaZ said: Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me. Below are some results in holiday mode, just starting a new game and setting the tactic (no team selection, set pieces, or anything else).
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Hi do you have any advice for away games or against a bigger team?
Skillz92 said: Hi do you have any advice for away games or against a bigger team? Expand
This tactic is generally good for away matches or bigger teams. If anything, I would use a more attacking tactic for home matches or against smaller teams, just to see more goals happening. I am working in one right now, but I am not entirely satisfied yet.
ZaZ said: This tactic is generally good for away matches or bigger teams. If anything, I would use a more attacking tactic for home matches or against smaller teams, just to see more goals happening. I am working in one right now, but I am not entirely satisfied yet. Expand
has the update affected this tactic at all? also any news on the home tactic your working on? find your tactics always work very well and thank you!
Skillz92 said: has the update affected this tactic at all? also any news on the home tactic your working on? find your tactics always work very well and thank you! Expand
I didn't notice much difference compared to beta. About the more attacking tactic, it is not there yet, but I can post the current iteration below. It has a much better goal scoring ability, but I still want to get the win rate a bit closer to Winter tactic.
ZaZ said: I didn't notice much difference compared to beta. About the more attacking tactic, it is not there yet, but I can post the current iteration below. It has a much better goal scoring ability, but I still want to get the win rate a bit closer to Winter tactic. Expand
@ZaZ thank you Zaz but what’s the difference between the winter and summer tactic also which one is better?
max 737 said: @ZaZ thank you Zaz but what’s the difference between the winter and summer tactic also which one is better? Expand
Winter: - Defense oriented, good when you want to play safe. - Concedes up to 50% less goals than Summer (depends on the team). - Two DMs needed. - Slightly higher point per match (win rate) than Summer.
Summer: - Attack oriented, good for matches where you want to see lots of goals. - Scores up to 50% more goals than Winter (depends on the team). - One DM and one AM needed.
I will keep this version of Summer here. It scores less than Summer 0.2, but it is more balanced and has a better win rate (point per match) than Summer 2. The difference of this to the other is that in this version the frontline is set to track back in OOP. (Number is 0.1 because it was tested before 0.2. I did 0.01 - 0.10, then the best tactic of that group was called 0.1. Then 0.11-0.20, and the best was called 0.2.)
For anyone interest in how I decide which tactic is best, my tests are based on 8 league runs with different teams, then I rank the results and discard the best and worse, using the sum of middle 6 ranks as my score.
max 737 said: Thank you @ZaZ so for plug and play which tactic do you recommend as I wanna run a test? Expand
Winter 0.1 is more solid, so it has less variance. Summer 0.1 will give you more big wins, but also some losses that wouldn't happen with Winter 0.1. Personally I prefer Winter 0.1, but it is more about what you prefer to see in play.
I will add some screenshots for Summer 0.1 later today as well.
ZaZ said: I will keep this version of Summer here. It scores less than Summer 0.2, but it is more balanced and has a better win rate (point per match) than Summer 2. The difference of this to the other is that in this version the frontline is set to track back in OOP. (Number is 0.1 because it was tested before 0.2. I did 0.01 - 0.10, then the best tactic of that group was called 0.1. Then 0.11-0.20, and the best was called 0.2.)
For anyone interest in how I decide which tactic is best, my tests are based on 8 league runs with different teams, then I rank the results and discard the best and worse, using the sum of middle 6 ranks as my score.
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Hi @ZaZ : All 3 tactics are super solid, is it possible to publish an excel file showing the scores of your test runs.
I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include:
- Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena.
- Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances.
- Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget.
- Selling players, for optimal revenue.
- Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth.
- Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management.
- Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback.
- Set pieces, to further improve the tactics.
- Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes.
- Youth player intake, how to optimize the CA and PA of new players, and if it is possible to influence their positions.
- Player traits, trying to identify if any of them is noticeably efficient.
- Opposition instructions, to improve tactics even further.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate?
Looks good and I look forward to seeing the results this yields. Ive asked before, but do you know any plans on changes to tactic testing going into FM26 with new IP and OP formations? Does anyone know how long itll take to setup the testing database and how long itll take to get it running?
ZaZ said: I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include:
- Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena.
- Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances.
- Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget.
- Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth.
- Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management.
- Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback.
- Set pieces, to further improve the tactics.
- Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate?
For me personally, #1 thing I'd like to learn about in FM26 is how dominant physical attributes are
alexej said: Looks good and I look forward to seeing the results this yields. Ive asked before, but do you know any plans on changes to tactic testing going into FM26 with new IP and OP formations? Does anyone know how long itll take to setup the testing database and how long itll take to get it running?
They are usually pretty fast, and I believe they will test the combination of IP and OP (which will probably be saved together).
ZaZ said: I have a set of plans for early FM 26, and would like to hear your suggestions of what to add to the plan. My tests when the game is released include:
- Tactics, with one or two submissions a day for FM Arena.
- Hiring players, for optimal impact in transfer budget and finances.
- Negotiating contracts, for optimal impact in wage budget.
- Training schedule and resting, for minimizing injuries and promoting focused growth.
- Interactions, with thresholds for positive feedback, to optimize morale management.
- Team talk and touchline shouts, with guidelines for positive feedback.
- Set pieces, to further improve the tactics.
- Scouting and finding good players without third party tools, trying to identify players with high PA and positive hidden attributes.
Is this enough, or is there anything else you would like me to investigate?
All of these sound really good. Maybe add mentoring and it's impact (assuming it still exists) as well as just general personality and hidden attributes progression as players age.
I've always had a soft spot for youth intakes. Not usually your area but perhaps later on in the cycle when you've completed the above I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show.
Yarema said: All of these sound really good. Maybe add mentoring and it's impact (assuming it still exists) as well as just general personality and hidden attributes progression as players age.
I've always had a soft spot for youth intakes. Not usually your area but perhaps later on in the cycle when you've completed the above I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show.
I might investigate intake, and I also believe it considers your setup in the exact day of intake, and not before or after that. I will add it to the list.
About mentoring, it is a bit harder to verify, because it happens over a long time and there are many variables that can influence development during that time. I simply think it is not worth the time investment to check how mentoring works, compared to other stuff.
About progression of attributes with age, I can check it later considering not only hidden attributes, but also physical, technical and mental. I will see if it can be done, but it is also time consuming and will be left for later.
This is more of a website suggestion, but on the tactics table I'd love to also search by Player Role not just by Position.
johnconnerson said: This is more of a website suggestion, but on the tactics table I'd love to also search by Player Role not just by Position.
Well, I don't work at FM-Arena.
Player traits and opposition instructions.
johnconnerson said: This is more of a website suggestion, but on the tactics table I'd love to also search by Player Role not just by Position.
There is a site support and suggestions section under forums
Germaniac said: Player traits and opposition instructions.
Sure, I will add that.
Yarema said: I feel there is still some hidden information. Specifically I feel that some effects are immediate as in the day before intake, some before preview and some (and this might be a bit tinfoil hat theory) might take 2-3 seasons to show.
I've done some testing of this, just to rule out the possibility that reloading my saves just prior to intake wasn't affecting results of PA testing I was doing. There was no difference, for reloading just before intake as compared to starting new save from scratch each time.
Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me. Below are some results in holiday mode, just starting a new game and setting the tactic (no team selection, set pieces, or anything else).
ZaZ said: Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me.
Dear Zaz I'm your big fan since many years because of your work. Highly appreciate you serving the FM community.
Regarding this tactic can you post the results etc
max 737 said: Dear Zaz I'm your big fan since many years because of your work. Highly appreciate you serving the FM community.
Regarding this tactic can you post the results etc
Sure, I will post it later today.
ZaZ said: Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me.
Dear @ZaZ Do you use any OI's or dugout shouts or any set pieces? Many thanks! I am testing your tactic..
Added pictures to the post. https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/44536/
max 737 said: Dear @ZaZ Do you use any OI's or dugout shouts or any set pieces? Many thanks! I am testing your tactic..
Hi, Max! I will work on some efficient set pieces later, but there are some very good ones being shared around.
ZaZ said: Here a simple 424 that has been working well for me. Below are some results in holiday mode, just starting a new game and setting the tactic (no team selection, set pieces, or anything else).
Hi do you have any advice for away games or against a bigger team?
Skillz92 said: Hi do you have any advice for away games or against a bigger team?
This tactic is generally good for away matches or bigger teams. If anything, I would use a more attacking tactic for home matches or against smaller teams, just to see more goals happening. I am working in one right now, but I am not entirely satisfied yet.
ZaZ said: This tactic is generally good for away matches or bigger teams. If anything, I would use a more attacking tactic for home matches or against smaller teams, just to see more goals happening. I am working in one right now, but I am not entirely satisfied yet.
has the update affected this tactic at all? also any news on the home tactic your working on? find your tactics always work very well and thank you!
Skillz92 said: has the update affected this tactic at all? also any news on the home tactic your working on? find your tactics always work very well and thank you!
I didn't notice much difference compared to beta. About the more attacking tactic, it is not there yet, but I can post the current iteration below. It has a much better goal scoring ability, but I still want to get the win rate a bit closer to Winter tactic.
ZaZ said: I didn't notice much difference compared to beta. About the more attacking tactic, it is not there yet, but I can post the current iteration below. It has a much better goal scoring ability, but I still want to get the win rate a bit closer to Winter tactic.
@ZaZ thank you Zaz but what’s the difference between the winter and summer tactic also which one is better?
max 737 said: @ZaZ thank you Zaz but what’s the difference between the winter and summer tactic also which one is better?
Winter:
- Defense oriented, good when you want to play safe.
- Concedes up to 50% less goals than Summer (depends on the team).
- Two DMs needed.
- Slightly higher point per match (win rate) than Summer.
Summer:
- Attack oriented, good for matches where you want to see lots of goals.
- Scores up to 50% more goals than Winter (depends on the team).
- One DM and one AM needed.
I will keep this version of Summer here. It scores less than Summer 0.2, but it is more balanced and has a better win rate (point per match) than Summer 2. The difference of this to the other is that in this version the frontline is set to track back in OOP. (Number is 0.1 because it was tested before 0.2. I did 0.01 - 0.10, then the best tactic of that group was called 0.1. Then 0.11-0.20, and the best was called 0.2.)
For anyone interest in how I decide which tactic is best, my tests are based on 8 league runs with different teams, then I rank the results and discard the best and worse, using the sum of middle 6 ranks as my score.
Thank you @ZaZ so for plug and play which tactic do you recommend as I wanna run a test?
max 737 said: Thank you @ZaZ so for plug and play which tactic do you recommend as I wanna run a test?
Winter 0.1 is more solid, so it has less variance. Summer 0.1 will give you more big wins, but also some losses that wouldn't happen with Winter 0.1. Personally I prefer Winter 0.1, but it is more about what you prefer to see in play.
I will add some screenshots for Summer 0.1 later today as well.
Pictures added to Summer. I should probably upload it to the tactics area, even though tests did not start, just so people can find them more easily.
ZaZ said: I will keep this version of Summer here. It scores less than Summer 0.2, but it is more balanced and has a better win rate (point per match) than Summer 2. The difference of this to the other is that in this version the frontline is set to track back in OOP. (Number is 0.1 because it was tested before 0.2. I did 0.01 - 0.10, then the best tactic of that group was called 0.1. Then 0.11-0.20, and the best was called 0.2.)
For anyone interest in how I decide which tactic is best, my tests are based on 8 league runs with different teams, then I rank the results and discard the best and worse, using the sum of middle 6 ranks as my score.
Hi @ZaZ : All 3 tactics are super solid, is it possible to publish an excel file showing the scores of your test runs.
sponsorkindest said: Hi @ZaZ : All 3 tactics are super solid, is it possible to publish an excel file showing the scores of your test runs.
Sure, I will organize a spreadsheet here with the best iterations of my tactics, and add other good tactics for reference.