WaveZ

Tweak Waves v3 by @Egraam. This tactic setup the role pretty much same to Blue cause It's seem like DW and BPD work better in strikerless tactic.
Tested with Bayer04 with only 1 loan in January.
Changes:
- CD(C) → BPD(D)
- W(S) → DW(S)

Wow congrats for 7.2!

Good job there! Now, make a mix of Blue, Waves and Void (one of my favorite tactics, together with Afterlife and Blue)!

Wow, well done mate

very impressive mate

Good job!

Here is my beast tweak guys:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/1565-wavez-tweak-as-3-1-6-compact-defense-raid-attack-beautiful-xg/#comment-6983

It seemed like a very good tactic, but it's not consistent...



The first season was amazing, but the current season is a real rubbish. Anyway, thanks for the effort and for sharing.

LPCrooks said: It seemed like a very good tactic, but it's not consistent... Expand

Hi,

Look at these:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/

https://fm-arena.com/thread/1074-mythbusters-the-ai-learns-your-tactic-tactics-only-work-for-one-season/

Lapidus said: Hi,

Look at these:

https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/

https://fm-arena.com/thread/1074-mythbusters-the-ai-learns-your-tactic-tactics-only-work-for-one-season/ Expand

Thanks @Lapidus , but I've been playing Football Manager since the 2009 version. I'm not talking about any conspiracy or 2nd season syndrome. But from a consistent tactic I hope it will give me a regular performance. If I do 100 goals and 100 points in the championship first year after having made 14 transfers, I understand that in the 2nd year I will have a similar performance since the players have already been playing together for a year and they know each other more. I'm not talking about winning the league again, Madrid and Barsa can perform at their level and win the championship the following year. But it doesn't make any sense that one year he scored 100 goals, he could have scored many more because clear chances were missed, and the following year, the same team with better cohesion, barely scored 30 goals in the middle of the championship. If it does for you, it's your opinion and I have nothing more to say. My opinion from my experience is this.

LPCrooks said: Thanks @Lapidus , but I've been playing Football Manager since the 2009 version. I'm not talking about any conspiracy or 2nd season syndrome. But from a consistent tactic I hope it will give me a regular performance. If I do 100 goals and 100 points in the championship first year after having made 14 transfers, I understand that in the 2nd year I will have a similar performance since the players have already been playing together for a year and they know each other more. I'm not talking about winning the league again, Madrid and Barsa can perform at their level and win the championship the following year. But it doesn't make any sense that one year he scored 100 goals, he could have scored many more because clear chances were missed, and the following year, the same team with better cohesion, barely scored 30 goals in the middle of the championship. If it does for you, it's your opinion and I have nothing more to say. My opinion from my experience is this. Expand

Check the six results from any tactic in this site, even the top ones. You will see they can go from as high as 180 points to as low as 140, which is a difference of almost 25%. And here we are talking about tests that remove lots of random variables, like injuries, fatigue and so on.

In short, RNG still plays some role in this game. If the top tier tactics are not consistent, you can expect even worse from tactics of lower score. (P.S.: Or maybe they are more consistent, but being consistently worse is not what you are looking for.)

ZaZ said: Check the six results from any tactic in this site, even the top ones. You will see they can go from as high as 180 points to as low as 140, which is a difference of almost 25%. And here we are talking about tests that remove lots of random variables, like injuries, fatigue and so on.

In short, RNG still plays some role in this game. If the top tier tactics are not consistent, you can expect even worse from tactics of lower score. (P.S.: Or maybe they are more consistent, but being consistently worse is not what you are looking for.) Expand

That is your argument, that there are worse tactics? According to this ranking, yes. But I'll tell you something, in FM13 there was a ranking of tactics similar to the one made by Mr Hough, and in that ranking there was a tactic created by a certain "Qetesh". It was neither in the top 10 in FMBase, nor was it in the top 20 in voting in FMKorea... but it turns out it was one of the best FM13 tactics, for me the best. The good thing about Qetesh was that he played 2 full seasons, without simulating games or going on vacation, and then he shared the tactics and the results... In short, I do not criticize the tactics, in fact, I have thanked the author for his effort and for sharing it. I have played 2 full seasons, I have shared the results and I have concluded that I am not convinced. I HAVE GIVEN MY OPINION. So much is it difficult for you to respect that? Or do I have to lie if I didn't like it?

LPCrooks said: That is your argument, that there are worse tactics? According to this ranking, yes. But I'll tell you something, in FM13 there was a ranking of tactics similar to the one made by Mr Hough, and in that ranking there was a tactic created by a certain "Qetesh". It was neither in the top 10 in FMBase, nor was it in the top 20 in voting in FMKorea... but it turns out it was one of the best FM13 tactics, for me the best. The good thing about Qetesh was that he played 2 full seasons, without simulating games or going on vacation, and then he shared the tactics and the results... In short, I do not criticize the tactics, in fact, I have thanked the author for his effort and for sharing it. I have played 2 full seasons, I have shared the results and I have concluded that I am not convinced. I HAVE GIVEN MY OPINION. So much is it difficult for you to respect that? Or do I have to lie if I didn't like it? Expand

I'm just saying the same tactic, in the same season and same conditions, can lead to completely different results. You can take it any way you want, but in the end, you are just criticizing the RNG.

You can argue that you or some players tested a tactic and thought it was the best, but a statistical analysis is usually more reliable than opinions.

LPCrooks said: But from a consistent tactic I hope it will give me a regular performance. Expand

Probably, you didn't read the links Lapidus gave you because if you did then you would understand

1) what consistence level can be achieved in FM21

2) what must be done or what conditions must be present to achieve high consistency in FM21

3) the contribution of your tactic to the consistency level is quite limited


LPCrooks said: I HAVE GIVEN MY OPINION. So much is it difficult for you to respect that? Or do I have to lie if I didn't like it? Expand

People just give their opinions on your opinion if you aren't ready to hear opinions about your opinion then don't give your opinion... that's how the internet works

LPCrooks said: That is your argument, that there are worse tactics? According to this ranking, yes. But I'll tell you something, in FM13 there was a ranking of tactics similar to the one made by Mr Hough, and in that ranking there was a tactic created by a certain "Qetesh". It was neither in the top 10 in FMBase, nor was it in the top 20 in voting in FMKorea... but it turns out it was one of the best FM13 tactics, for me the best. The good thing about Qetesh was that he played 2 full seasons, without simulating games or going on vacation, and then he shared the tactics and the results... In short, I do not criticize the tactics, in fact, I have thanked the author for his effort and for sharing it. I have played 2 full seasons, I have shared the results and I have concluded that I am not convinced. I HAVE GIVEN MY OPINION. So much is it difficult for you to respect that? Or do I have to lie if I didn't like it? Expand

Can you upload your save to GG Drive, Mediafire or something like that? I want to have a look and will try to fix it.

In my opinion, what you're experiencing is normal. You can't compare a tactic from FM13 to a tactic from this year. The ME is different. Gone are the days of plug and play tactics. Micro management from game to game is key. Reputation plays a key role in the game nowadays.

1st season you smashed it using the tactic, your teams reputation no doubt jumped up significantly, this in turn means teams will be more cautious against you, even the elite teams would become more cautious of you. I get it you improved the team but you've also got to make smart changes to the tactic. If your reputation is high then the likelihood is that teams will sit and defend narrow against you, restricting the space, maybe play a little wider to pull them out of position. reduce your line of engagement, allowing defenders to come out with the ball, leaving space for you to exploit if you win the ball back.

Now I know you're an experienced FMer like myself (been playing since CM 01/02) but the game has changed massively since the plug and play days, only factor that can make tactic's consistent is us

CBP87 said: In my opinion, what you're experiencing is normal. You can't compare a tactic from FM13 to a tactic from this year. The ME is different. Gone are the days of plug and play tactics. Micro management from game to game is key. Reputation plays a key role in the game nowadays.

1st season you smashed it using the tactic, your teams reputation no doubt jumped up significantly, this in turn means teams will be more cautious against you, even the elite teams would become more cautious of you. I get it you improved the team but you've also got to make smart changes to the tactic. If your reputation is high then the likelihood is that teams will sit and defend narrow against you, restricting the space, maybe play a little wider to pull them out of position. reduce your line of engagement, allowing defenders to come out with the ball, leaving space for you to exploit if you win the ball back.

Now I know you're an experienced FMer like myself (been playing since CM 01/02) but the game has changed massively since the plug and play days, only factor that can make tactic's consistent is us Expand

Idk but personally I felt like losing is a way for me to keep playing the game. You wouldn't want to keep winning and winning over and over again cause It will be very boring.

ta2199 said: Idk but personally I felt like losing is a way for me to keep playing the game. You wouldn't want to keep winning and winning over and over again cause It will be very boring. Expand

Sorry my reply wasn't directed at your response it was towards LPCrooks comments

CBP87 said: In my opinion, what you're experiencing is normal. You can't compare a tactic from FM13 to a tactic from this year. The ME is different. Gone are the days of plug and play tactics. Micro management from game to game is key. Reputation plays a key role in the game nowadays.

1st season you smashed it using the tactic, your teams reputation no doubt jumped up significantly, this in turn means teams will be more cautious against you, even the elite teams would become more cautious of you. I get it you improved the team but you've also got to make smart changes to the tactic. If your reputation is high then the likelihood is that teams will sit and defend narrow against you, restricting the space, maybe play a little wider to pull them out of position. reduce your line of engagement, allowing defenders to come out with the ball, leaving space for you to exploit if you win the ball back.

Now I know you're an experienced FMer like myself (been playing since CM 01/02) but the game has changed massively since the plug and play days, only factor that can make tactic's consistent is us Expand

Thank you!... One who has understood me. Because the rest insist on making me believe things that are not, and the simple thing would have been to say that AS THE STATUS OF THE TEAM CHANGES, CHANGES MUST BE MADE IN THE TACTIC. Something that no one of the "philosophers" of the forum has said.

@CBP87 thanks for the clarification. @ta2199 thanks again for the tactic, but i'll try another.

I think this tactic is the best