ZaZ said: To be honest, I tried that shape when I was working on Green, but it didn't go very well with me. Good thing you made it work, because it's one of the most common shapes in real football. Expand
I tried this shape, roles and duties in every previous FM version and it never worked well but this time I've got lucky this it. I think I managed to find a very effective combination of the mentality, TIs, roles and duties which work very in this ME.
And still this tactic is much less deadly compering with the strikerless tactics that we had for FM21.
Zealot said: @cptdoggo, here are just few tactics from FM20. As I said it's just impossible to come with something unique at this point in FM because everything has been tried already.
Again, apologies if you actually didn't base it on that one, but it's literally the same exact roles in each position, the ones you show here all have at least a role switch. Ours are the same tactic in terms of roles, just with the standard "meta" instructions.
EDIT: Again, congrats for making it work, I couldn't get it to this level, I was just very surprised to see the exact same formation/roles as mine top the charts.
cptdoggo said: Again, apologies if you actually didn't base it on that one, but it's literally the same exact roles in each position, the ones you show here all have at least a role switch. Ours are the same tactic in terms of roles, just with the standard "meta" instructions.
EDIT: Again, congrats for making it work, I couldn't get it to this level, I was just very surprised to see the exact same formation/roles as mine top the charts. Expand
No worries, no offense taken at all and thanks for the congratulations.
But As I said there's really nothing unique in the combinations of the roles and duties that the tactic has, there've been a million tactics like this before.
I think having such roles and duties isn't enough to make it working that well and it also requires having the same set of TIs, PIs and the mentality which I find a quite unique combination.
Chewbacca said: Ouchh... looks like it requires having some kind of "Energy Saving" tactic for this tactic, it would be great if someone made such tactic.
@Zealot could you do just like zaz cyan , make this tactic but with all on ease of tackles instead of tackle harder , so we can see the difference ? For zaz cyan it made 0 difference on performance , but huge stamina saver
Belmorn said: @Zealot could you do just like zaz cyan , make this tactic but with all on ease of tackles instead of tackle harder , so we can see the difference ? For zaz cyan it made 0 difference on performance , but huge stamina saver Expand
I've tried adding "Easy Off Tackles" and for me it hit the result very badly
Hi, I have a question. Is it worth using this tactic against a very strong opponent? I played another tactic, which also uses a very attacking mentality, and lost 0-6 after the 1 half) When I changed my mentality to cautious, I never missed in the 2nd half. Is it worth changing your mentality if you are a tough outsider?
DST said: Hi, I have a question. Is it worth using this tactic against a very strong opponent? I played another tactic, which also uses a very attacking mentality, and lost 0-6 after the 1 half) When I changed my mentality to cautious, I never missed in the 2nd half. Is it worth changing your mentality if you are a tough outsider? Expand
Hi,
I can only share my experience with lowering the mentality, it's never done any good for me. I don't know maybe lowering the mentality doesn't work only for me.
avonseller said: What would you say are the most important positions in the tactic? Expand Probably, the striker, inside forwards and central defenders are the most significant contributors.
Hi zealot, may I ask you to post screen of instruction in possession, in transition and out of possesion? I’m playing with Xbox and I won’t to try your tactic. Thanks
Scri said: Hi zealot, may I ask you to post screen of instruction in possession, in transition and out of possesion? I’m playing with Xbox and I won’t to try your tactic. Thanks Expand Hi,
but there are screenshots with the information you request in the 1st post.
DJJENSEN said: What training do you use? Expand General - Training Style ( Balanced )
Individual Training - the roles/duties in the tactic
ZaZ said: To be honest, I tried that shape when I was working on Green, but it didn't go very well with me. Good thing you made it work, because it's one of the most common shapes in real football.
I think I managed to find a very effective combination of the mentality, TIs, roles and duties which work very in this ME.
I tried this shape, roles and duties in every previous FM version and it never worked well but this time I've got lucky this it.
And still this tactic is much less deadly compering with the strikerless tactics that we had for FM21.
Zealot said: @cptdoggo, here are just few tactics from FM20. As I said it's just impossible to come with something unique at this point in FM because everything has been tried already.
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/560-barcelona-tiki-taka-by-birol-ztrk-fm-2020/
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/362-break/
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/378-ww2-4-1-2-2-1-2020-the-comeback/
Again, apologies if you actually didn't base it on that one, but it's literally the same exact roles in each position, the ones you show here all have at least a role switch. Ours are the same tactic in terms of roles, just with the standard "meta" instructions.
EDIT: Again, congrats for making it work, I couldn't get it to this level, I was just very surprised to see the exact same formation/roles as mine top the charts.
cptdoggo said: Again, apologies if you actually didn't base it on that one, but it's literally the same exact roles in each position, the ones you show here all have at least a role switch. Ours are the same tactic in terms of roles, just with the standard "meta" instructions.
EDIT: Again, congrats for making it work, I couldn't get it to this level, I was just very surprised to see the exact same formation/roles as mine top the charts.
No worries, no offense taken at all and thanks for the congratulations.
But As I said there's really nothing unique in the combinations of the roles and duties that the tactic has, there've been a million tactics like this before.
I think having such roles and duties isn't enough to make it working that well and it also requires having the same set of TIs, PIs and the mentality which I find a quite unique combination.
what's the difference if I change IF to IW?
luisanjao said: what's the difference if I change IF to IW?
I don't think changing the IFs to IWs will make any significant difference but I prefer using IFs, it works better for me.
Zealot said: I don't think changing the IFs to IWs will make any significant difference but I prefer using IFs, it works better for me.
i will test with IWs, thx
@Zealot Knap once said "in fm22 they're improved IWs so its better to choice IWs instead of IFs"
Could u make possession based tactic?
Revelation
just me said: Revelation
Well done!
saitjerome said: @Zealot Knap once said "in fm22 they're improved IWs so its better to choice IWs instead of IFs"
Could u make possession based tactic?
Sorry, I've never had desire to make a possession tactic.
I've heard @ZaZ did a good possession tactic. You can try ask him.
Zealot said: Sorry, I've never had desire to make a possession tactic.
I've heard @ZaZ did a good possession tactic. You can try ask him.
The one I posted earlier is in the 5.3 range. I will try to improve it to at least 5.5.
Ouchh... looks like it requires having some kind of "Energy Saving" tactic for this tactic, it would be great if someone made such tactic.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1866-important-physical-conditions-level/
Chewbacca said: Ouchh... looks like it requires having some kind of "Energy Saving" tactic for this tactic, it would be great if someone made such tactic.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1866-important-physical-conditions-level/
I'll try to figure out something.
Zealot said: I'll try to figure out something.
thanks, much appreciated
IF in Revelation left or right foot on left side ?
tom1972 said: IF in Revelation left or right foot on left side ?
Inside forwards with the stronger foot opposite to the flank they play work better for me but you can experiment with their preferred foot.
This tactic not working at first when i start newgame with Barca but now i just dominated the league and cups. Awesome !
hey @Zealot great tactic so far. congrats. i have a question. do you use any OI's?
mbagdu said: hey @Zealot great tactic so far. congrats.
Hey,
Thanks!
mbagdu said: i have a question. do you use any OI's?
No, I don't use any OIs.
@Zealot could you do just like zaz cyan , make this tactic but with all on ease of tackles instead of tackle harder , so we can see the difference ? For zaz cyan it made 0 difference on performance , but huge stamina saver
Belmorn said: @Zealot could you do just like zaz cyan , make this tactic but with all on ease of tackles instead of tackle harder , so we can see the difference ? For zaz cyan it made 0 difference on performance , but huge stamina saver
I've tried adding "Easy Off Tackles" and for me it hit the result very badly
Zealot said: I'll try to figure out something.
Test switching all Tackle Harder PIs for Ease Off Tackles. In my control tactic (Cyan), it gives similar results using way less energy.
P.S.: Oops, instant reply.
Hi, I have a question. Is it worth using this tactic against a very strong opponent? I played another tactic, which also uses a very attacking mentality, and lost 0-6 after the 1 half) When I changed my mentality to cautious, I never missed in the 2nd half. Is it worth changing your mentality if you are a tough outsider?
DST said: Hi, I have a question. Is it worth using this tactic against a very strong opponent? I played another tactic, which also uses a very attacking mentality, and lost 0-6 after the 1 half) When I changed my mentality to cautious, I never missed in the 2nd half. Is it worth changing your mentality if you are a tough outsider?
Hi,
I can only share my experience with lowering the mentality, it's never done any good for me. I don't know maybe lowering the mentality doesn't work only for me.
What would you say are the most important positions in the tactic?
Also what type of profile do you think works better for the RPM? Better tackler or a passer if you had to choose
avonseller said: Also what type of profile do you think works better for the RPM? Better tackler or a passer if you had to choose
When it requires to evaluate attributes I always look at this table - https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/
avonseller said: What would you say are the most important positions in the tactic?
Probably, the striker, inside forwards and central defenders are the most significant contributors.
I did some vacation testing. Here are the results.
Hi zealot, may I ask you to post screen of instruction in possession, in transition and out of possesion? I’m playing with Xbox and I won’t to try your tactic. Thanks
What training do you use?
Scri said: Hi zealot, may I ask you to post screen of instruction in possession, in transition and out of possesion? I’m playing with Xbox and I won’t to try your tactic. Thanks
Hi,
but there are screenshots with the information you request in the 1st post.
DJJENSEN said: What training do you use?
General - Training Style ( Balanced )
Individual Training - the roles/duties in the tactic
Thanks Zealot, but i don't see passing stile, which tactical style do you use?
Thanks and sorry.