Player Development and Training

by Zippo, Oct 18, 2022

keithb said: Mostly from professionalism. With a bit of ambition and determination too

in this case professionalism 12 ambition 12 determination 13

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Kamas1 said: in this case professionalism 12 ambition 12 determination 13
They aren't awful and the player should be improving. How much potential does he have left?

Also training facilities and your coaches and the training schedules.

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keithb said: They aren't awful and the player should be improving. How much potential does he have left?

Also training facilities and your coaches and the training schedules.


facilities 12/20
schedules and coaches in picture
potential is 130 CA

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Kamas1 said: facilities 12/20
schedules and coaches in picture
potential is 130 CA


Advice:

Change your training schedule

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Falbravv said: Advice:

Change your training schedule


Why it's literally been proven to be the best possible schedule

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Falbravv said: Advice:

Change your training schedule


But some players develop good and other players at all

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Some of those kids can't develop no matter what, is like a coin-flip.

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Delicious said: Some of those kids can't develop no matter what is like a coin-flip.

So its normal? I mean I buy player and he be on this same level all the time ?

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Kamas1 said: So its normal? I mean I buy player and he be on this same level all the time ?

For some reason it happen to me as well, no matter the hidden etc.

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Yes some players, but not many from my experience, dont develop when they should ie high professionalism. I normally max players out by 23 and the ones I haven't will be 25-27.

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Kamas1 said: facilities 12/20
schedules and coaches in picture
potential is 130 CA


All good enough for sure. Although you can sack the fitness coach and upgrade one of the 3.5's. Use the assistant to take up the workload for fitness. Try to upgrade training facilities asap

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Delicious said: For some reason it happen to me as well, no matter the hidden etc.

I couldn't agree more. I have a rule of not purchasing players above the age of 21, so I encounter this situation frequently. Despite my best efforts, sometimes it just happens. I've verified that they have a minimum of 15 professionalism, 10 ambition and determination, and a delta of more than 20 between CA and PA. But it does happen 10-20% of the time. wcyd.

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keithb said: All good enough for sure. Although you can sack the fitness coach and upgrade one of the 3.5's. Use the assistant to take up the workload for fitness. Try to upgrade training facilities asap

ok i will do it

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Kamas1 said: ok i will do it

It isn't going to magically get your player to start improving. But overall the higher your training stars and better your facilities the more improvement your players will see. Never spend money expanding or building a new stadium until you've hit the big time.

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Do you guys do individual training?

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Kamas1 said: Why do some players not develop at all? for example, I have a 21 year old defense (95 CA). He plays every game, his morale is high, he trains well, but he hasn't improved a single point all season. What it comes from? I will add that I run a team in the 2 bundesliga

I think the level of your league also matters, I mean you play in a lower division and that might be the reason of the low development.

I guess the reputation of the league matters for the development.

How often in real life we see that someone like Messi can reach his full potential playing in a lower division.

I believe when players play in high reputation leagues they develop faster.

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Lapidus said: I think the level of your league also matters, I mean you play in a lower division and that might be the reason of the low development.

I guess the reputation of the league matters for the development.

How often in real life we see that someone like Messi can reach his full potential playing in a lower division.

I believe when players play in high reputation leagues they develop faster.

Ok I agree with that but we are talking about a player who has CA 95 and plays in the second bundelliga. So I think it should be developed to some extent

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Kamas1 said: Do you guys do individual training?

I set all players to train their position and role. I dont use individual focus as its a bit hit and miss. However once players hit 28 I put them on agility and balance. See the video below

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Kamas1 said: Ok I agree with that but we are talking about a player who has CA 95 and plays in the second bundelliga. So I think it should be developed to some extent

Maybe Yes and maybe No... I don't think there's been many tests on the development in lower leagues.

But I know 100% that the reputation of the league where a player plays has a significant impact on his development.

It could be that for the reputation of your league a player with 95CA and 135PA won't develop any further and to develop further he needs to play in a higher reputation league.

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Lapidus said: Maybe Yes and maybe No... I don't think there's been many tests on the development in lower leagues.

But I know 100% that the reputation of the league where a player plays has a significant impact on his development.

It could be that for the reputation of your league a player with 95CA and 135PA won't develop any further and to develop further he needs to play in a higher reputation league.


It happened to me when on EPL, with many players, the most shocking for me was Isak, after a 77 goals season he didn't even went 1 CA more. And pessina was 25 y.o. already did maxed out from 141 to 150.

It feel really a coin flip on some scenario.

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Pumpkin said: Why it's literally been proven to be the best possible schedule

Absolutely not. Too much sessions, 7 are the max to be most effective.

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Falbravv said: Absolutely not. Too much sessions, 7 are the max to be most effective.

that's with no automatic resting those three sessions are the most three effective sessions and the more a player trains the more impact they get from training

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Pumpkin said: that's with no automatic resting those three sessions are the most three effective sessions and the more a player trains the more impact they get from training

Some tests give proofs that's not the reality. I have a 100% development with a light schedule, and players fit for matches.

It's not my work, it's the fantastic work of Youtubers.

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Falbravv said: Some tests give proofs that's not the reality. I have a 100% development with a light schedule, and players fit for matches.

It's not my work, it's the fantastic work of Youtubers.


I'm listening... what's your schedule?

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Guidito said: @ZaZ care to elaborate? :)

Sorry for the late answer, have been really busy recently. I made the experiment training DL as DR and AMR as AML, and it didn't have any noticeable effect in win rate. On the other hand, it increased my options for each of those positions, allowing me to use better players and actually increase my win rate.

For example, let's say you are searching for a DL, and you cannot find any good one, but instead you find a very good DR. You can just train him as DL.

A second example is when you have two DL and two DR in your squad. Let's say you have them like this:
DL (180 CA)
DL (179 CA)
DR (160 CA)
DR (158 CA)

If you train them in their normal positions, then your first team will have one side with 180 CA, and the other with 160 CA. However, if you train your wingbacks to play in both sides, then you can use the 180 and 179, which is clearly better.

Keep in mind that it takes some time to get them to accomplished, and even more to make them natural in those positions. It depends on their versatility hidden attribute, so it can take as short as the pre-season and a couple of matches, or as long as the whole season. My advice is to train them in the reverse position, use them in their natural position, and switch their sides when you have a comfortable lead (like winning 3-0 and 20 minutes to end the match) to make them learn the position faster.

Kamas1 said: Why do some players not develop at all? for example, I have a 21 year old defense (95 CA). He plays every game, his morale is high, he trains well, but he hasn't improved a single point all season. What it comes from? I will add that I run a team in the 2 bundesliga

It probably has to do with the level of matches. Players from lower division "cap" at certain point of growth, which is usually when they want to leave the team to play on higher divisions. The best solution is to get promoted.

Pumpkin said: that's with no automatic resting those three sessions are the most three effective sessions and the more a player trains the more impact they get from training

Yeah, that schedule is made to be used with automatic resting. In short, instead of resting the entire team after matches, you rest only those that got tired on matches, allowing you to have an overall higher growth.

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You always deliver my friend @ZaZ - thanks a million.
Follow up question - did you notice any effect in training a player for a position that is not currently in the tactic?

Example - I have a promising winger from my intake.
My tactic plays with DWs but im afraid if I start training my newgen as DW, some points will go to attributes like 'tackling'. I should train him as a W for example, so attributes go to dribbling or crossing.
But im afraid the fact that im training them on a different role will impact how much they feel familiar with my tactic - get my point?

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Guidito said: You always deliver my friend @ZaZ - thanks a million.
Follow up question - did you notice any effect in training a player for a position that is not currently in the tactic?

Example - I have a promising winger from my intake.
My tactic plays with DWs but im afraid if I start training my newgen as DW, some points will go to attributes like 'tackling'. I should train him as a W for example, so attributes go to dribbling or crossing.
But im afraid the fact that im training them on a different role will impact how much they feel familiar with my tactic - get my point?


I cannot say anything about the impact in win rate for training as W instead of DW, but I believe it should be negligible. Therefore, training as W will probably give a more focused growth than playing as DW for what you want. Keep in mind that this is micro-optimization and will probably have very little impact in performance, and some experiments would be needed to confirm if it actually has much influence on growth or not.

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Hi @ZaZ , have you test on Flair atribute? after playing 8-10 seasons my best striker (according to genieScout with vkvkvk balanced) keep perform worst and worst even when genie scout rating keep increasing. I try to find out why, and i find out that his flair drop from 16 when he arrived to 10 after 8 years at club. i just recognized that if i kept training him as complete forward or advance forward, flair attribute will getting lower and lower. His average rating keep decrease from 7.88 first year to 7.60 at 7th year. I want him to win Ballondor so badly that i try to cheat by adding him as a corner taker to increase assist lol (and it work! he win it and rating become 7.88 since he assist 20+ per season, how ever his league goal keep decreasing TT)

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pek80 said: Hi @ZaZ , have you test on Flair atribute? after playing 8-10 seasons my best striker (according to genieScout with vkvkvk balanced) keep perform worst and worst even when genie scout rating keep increasing. I try to find out why, and i find out that his flair drop from 16 when he arrived to 10 after 8 years at club. i just recognized that if i kept training him as complete forward or advance forward, flair attribute will getting lower and lower. His average rating keep decrease from 7.88 first year to 7.60 at 7th year. I want him to win Ballondor so badly that i try to cheat by adding him as a corner taker to increase assist lol (and it work! he win it and rating become 7.88 since he assist 20+ per season, how ever his league goal keep decreasing TT)

FM-Arena tested Flair in previous editions and it has a minor impact in performance. Since it is a free attribute (no effect on CA), it means the more, the better.

About Flair decreasing, it is only natural, since younger players usually show off more than older players. Messi and CR7, for example, used to do very plastic plays in their youth, compared to what they do after 30. That does not mean they played better at that age, just that they did more beautiful dribbles.

About league goals, you should probably try some tactics with a single striker, since they are often better for winning those rewards.

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What would be a good training schedule for non-professional clubs?

Im running this, but not sure if its the most effective:

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