Anti Tiki Taka 3-5-2 V3

1. Introduction

Are you sick of unrealistic games with 6+ goals every other match? Are you sick of Tiki-Taka, possession-based, ultra-offensive tactics? So was I, so I started tweaking my own tactic. I couldn't wait to try the new WCB role, so I went straight to my favourite 3 ATB tactician, Antonio Conte.
Conte played a dynamic system at Juve and Inter, specifically a 5-3-2 defending and 3-3-4 attacking, using a 3atb with a Deep Lying Playmaker as a pivot with a Mezzala and B2B Mid ahead of him focused on creating overloads out wide with the WBs, who provide the only width in this formation. Up front it has a big-small pairing, similar to Lukaku and Lautaro at Inter. Now, to translating this into the game!

2. Formation & Roles



1) Sweeper Keeper (Defend)
Not much to say about this role.

2) Ball-Playing Center Back (Defend)
Role offers best results compared to Cover/Stopper. Needs to be good defensively and play quick, accurate passes when possession is obtained. Overall, use your best DC here.
Key Attributes: Tackling, Heading, Passing, Marking, Pace (don't prioritise but useful).

3) 2 x Wide Center Back (Defend)
Easy to fill role, hard to fill with someone who will excel at it. Main purpose is to cover the space left by the WB when he's not there and going slightly more central if the WB is there, to help him press and overload the side in defence. When playing on the opposite side of action, needs to act like a second DC. Positioning and Off the Ball are crucial.
Key Attributes: Off the Ball >10 (VERY VERY IMPORTANT!), Positioning, rest of the usual DC stats.

4) 2 x Wing Back (Attack)
Considering these guys are our only width and crucial to this whole tactic, you might want to get some good ones. They need to go up and down the pitch all game and try to provide danger in the offensive, while also running back to help defend.
Key Attributes: Stamina, Work Rate, Pace, Crossing, Tackling

5) Deep Lying Playmaker (Defend)
Defend role tends to keep him more stable, as he should be. This is our pivot, with his main role being of playing central, quick combinations with the other midfielders (including WBs) to penetrate opposing lines, while staying relatively deep in possession to help cover for missing midfielders in case of a counter and provide a deep passing option that is not a DC.
Key Attributes: Passing, Vision, Tackling, Teamwork, First Touch

6) Mezzala (Support)
Lingers a little wider than his B2B partner. Is on the Advanced Forward's side because there tends to be a lot of spaces to get into there, as the Forward stays up most of the time. His job is to get behind lines and offer his teammates a diagonal passing option. Instructed to carry the ball forward and give strikers time to find space. Generally, this is a place to put your more technical, less defensive minded midfielder to dribble and find space and try through balls.
Key Attributes: Dribbling, Passing, Off the Ball, Stamina, Work Rate

7) Box To Box Midfielder (Support)
A more defensive option to balance out the midfield. Has a Deep Lying Forward on his side, so there's not quite so much space to work with. His main role is to be the engine of your midfield: pressing, carrying the ball forward, trying to play his teammates in, this guy has to do it all.
Key Attributes: Stamina, Work Rate, Pace, Overall

8) Deep Lying Forward (Support)
This is our bigger guy. Be careful though, this is not a Target Man, as is the usual in this pairing, even in Conte's Juve. It helps to be taller, but essentially here you want a strong, technical, good passer. This guy's job is to play with his back to the keeper and try to play someone else in with a smart pass, or just be the go-to pass in the final third. However, he must also be able to find space after passing the ball, so Off the Ball is again very important.
Key Attributes: Passing, Off the Ball, Strength, Finishing, Technique

9) Advanced Forward (Attack)
This is our smaller guy. His only job is to get behind the defence and score. Pretty much a pacy poacher. Useful to have a good pass in him as well as to not miss and lose the ball, but more often than not he won't need to do anything else than to put the ball in the back of the net.
Key Attributes: Finishing, Pace, Off the Ball, Composure, First Touch

3. Tactical Breakdown

1) Defence

Yes, I used the game where I beat RM 5-1. Yes, it is a humblebrag. No, I don't know why McTominay is my Deep Lying Playmaker, I simulated the season without transfers or controlling the matches myself.



Not quite that much to say on defence. Main points to take away:
Using high and frequent pressing.
Defence line holds very well because of Hold Position instruction, which tends to keep them in their spot, not pressing excessively and opening up space.
Left side tends to be left a little exposed at times, because of the Mezzala, which is not quite a defensive role. Try to have better players on this side.
Once possession is recovered, quick counters can be launched because of the triangle formations that can lead to combinations and easy passes into space behind the midfield line.

2) Attack



The attacking side of things is heavily based on quick passing combinations to get out of defence, then launch people into space, as we have so many that will look for it. In the above picture, there are a few things to take away:
The formation attacking is 3-3-4. This helps create many times when we have an additional man in attack, which creates a lot of danger
Left WCB (Bailly) is advancing towards the left side of the pitch, waiting for either Mezzala (Pogba) to run into space, which he starts doing, or pass it back to the DLP (McTominay) to spread it to the other WCB. The WB is waiting to make a run when play starts approaching his side of the pitch, to try to get a cross in from wide.
With both the Mezzala and the WB and WCB flocking to the left sidie of the pitch looking for space, we hope to trigger a press from RM's DC's (Militao specifically) to be able to play Greenwood 1 on 1.
Triangles help with the fluidity of the passing scheme. Everyone has multiple passing options at all times and it's hard to take a player out positionally (leave a player with no passing options) in this formation. This also helps with active pressing teams, as quick easy passes are always available. However, you don't really get that much hard pressing, as the tactic tends to move the ball forward very fast, leaving little time for Gegenpress teams.
The DLF (Cavani) is dropping deeper, with his back completely turned to RM's goal. This is to provide the B2B Mid (Fernandes) with a forward passing option, as the B2B will not advance quite so heavily as the Mezzala. His main job is to hold defenders off and try to play the WB on his side or the AF into space, or pass it back to an advancing midfielder so he can play the through ball. His main job is to link up the lines, not focus on scoring.

4. Results
!!! ALL RESULTS ARE NO CHANGES/TRANSFERS AND THEN VACATION UNTIL END OF SEASON !!!

1) Man Utd - Media Pred. 4th - Top Team


2) Arsenal - Media Pred. 7th - Sub-Top Team



3) Leeds - Media Pred. 12th (I think) - Underdog Team

"Are you sick of scoring goals?"

Nice presentation there, but that starting line is a bit funny.

ZaZ said: "Are you sick of scoring goals?"

Nice presentation there, but that starting line is a bit funny. Expand

Hah, I mostly meant situations where you win like 6-3, which seem to be so so common in good tactics. Whenever I have a game like that it just ruins the immersion a lot for me. I much prefer scores like 3-0 and 4-1, which seem a lot more realistic. It does tend to be leakier in lower-classed teams, but still better than the league average.

Thanks to FM-Arena testing team for the testing! Expected a little better results offensively, I have to tweak around a bit more, but I am ecstatic to see that it has the lowest goals conceded out of all the 4.0+ tactics!

cptdoggo said: Thanks to FM-Arena testing team for the testing! Expected a little better results offensively, I have to tweak around a bit more, but I am ecstatic to see that it has the lowest goals conceded out of all the 4.0+ tactics! Expand

Definitely, your tactic is the most defensive tactic so far... if only you could improve its attacking power...

Interesting

Tweaked the tactic slightly and obtained an amazing first test using Man U.

1.Removed shorter passing instruction from midfielders
2.Put DLF on Attack duty instead of support

Interesting to see how it will act during the test, as xG for opponent seems to have stayed the same, although the team have conceded a little more. Hopefully just bad RNG, but this seems to be working amazingly. I will continue testing it with smaller teams and post the results.

Leeds result with V2 seems promising, gonna try Arsenal next

cptdoggo said: Leeds result with V2 seems promising, gonna try Arsenal next

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Looks good

Arsenal results with V2. Won the FA cup, the xG situation seems slightly better, but we got 6 less points. Nonetheless, I think the initial run was rather lucky and maybe the AI manager prioritized winning the cup, idk. Hopefully V2 performs better in the tests, at least with top teams.

Tested on our Villa save.

Tested OK, well done!

As much as I want to, I cannot improve the tactic further without straying too far from its philosophy and due to game limitations, as much as I have tried. Minor improvements might be brought on by tweaking it, which I invite you to do as well if you want to, as long as you give credit if you do share it elsewhere.

Already working on a Fergie one, almost done with it

Seeing as this is still my most defensively sound tactic, I decided to give it one last mix so people can enjoy a defensive tactic as well that can produce points.



Changelog:
-Changed DLF to False 9 as it seems to perform better as a deeper striker.
-Changed both mids to CM (Attack) as it provides the most versatility.
-Changed some personal instructions with ones I have found to work the best during my other tests.

Results with this tactic:



Results with my other 5.5* tactic (Blitz4-4-2)



Things seem promising.

You were saying in the original post that the DLF was a guy who should play with his back to the goal and hold up play, is it the same with the F9 in the 3 version of the tactic?

And should i switch the roles of the strikers if my more creating player is left footed and the more goal getter is right footed?

sorte said: You were saying in the original post that the DLF was a guy who should play with his back to the goal and hold up play, is it the same with the F9 in the 3 version of the tactic?

And should i switch the roles of the strikers if my more creating player is left footed and the more goal getter is right footed? Expand

The F9 tends to do pretty much the same things, he just gets between lines more often and plays more like an AM. It's a more viable role if your supporting striker is small-ish and can't catch long balls. I don't find feet to matter all that much, but you should switch the CM's as well if you switch strikers.

Okay - but the two CM's is both central midfielders on attack with the same instructions so there isn't anythink to change - i'm using the v3 tactic?

And should i still use a F9 even though i have a bigger supporting striker with the player trait to play with back to the goal?

sorte said: Okay - but the two CM's is both central midfielders on attack with the same instructions so there isn't anythink to change - i'm using the v3 tactic?

And should i still use a F9 even though i have a bigger supporting striker with the player trait to play with back to the goal? Expand

Oh right, sorry, yeah nothing should change if you switch them. I would just leave him in F9 duty if his stats fit the role

cptdoggo said: Oh right, sorry, yeah nothing should change if you switch them. I would just leave him in F9 duty if his stats fit the role Expand

Okay Thanks - i will try the tactic out 👍