Thanks for providing an update! So it looks like when just looking to get the max meta attributes without too much CA, X8 could be one of the best choices next to pure resting. For the A squad, the choice is quite a bit more difficult!
svonn said: Thanks for providing an update! So it looks like when just looking to get the max meta attributes without too much CA, X8 could be one of the best choices next to pure resting. For the A squad, the choice is quite a bit more difficult! Expand
a bit confused as to how they look, i dont quite understand how it written. can anybody share a image of the training plan?
I have my Jr teams doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping I have 1st team and B team doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping and 0-2xMatch Practice a week (-1 for every actual match).
GKs on Agility/Balance focus, all else on Quickness focus.
Everyone's role focus is now on a role that includes Jumping Reach if possible. For example I am playing DM-Support but they are training Halfback-Defend instead since it includes Jumping Reach.
I like Goalkeeping as a session because it helps the GKs and it only weights towards Role Training for other players.
I need to play more, but I'm not seeing much growth past 15 Pace and 15 Acceleration yet even though my PA isn't maxed out.
I think it could be interesting to put all my under 19 GKs in my 19-B team and all other 19s in 19s, and run all rest on that one.
Thanks again for your hard work! Seems that the extra Match Practice slots are mostly good at maximizing CA growth while minimizing the number of training slots used. Without the use of the extra MPs, every schedule that has a CA growth of 24 or better uses 6 or more training slots.
I think I'll be using S8 on my main squad and X8 on my youth squads. In semi-pro, I might use A9 or O8 - maybe also X8 - since I only have six slots over three days (only four slots on weeks with one match).
I don't quite understand your rationale for choosing S8 for the main squad and X8 for the youth squad. Could you help me understand? Maybe I don't quite know how to read the table. Big thank you!
tdpm said: I don't quite understand your rationale for choosing S8 for the main squad and X8 for the youth squad. Could you help me understand? Maybe I don't quite know how to read the table. Big thank you! Expand
Just personal preference for how I want to play my saves. If you look at the other thread that OP started, the overall winner is really V7, though there is consideration for a few of the other schedules as well. I suggest heading over to that thread and checking the discussion there to get some extra insight.
VenEttore said: Just personal preference for how I want to play my saves. If you look at the other thread that OP started, the overall winner is really V7, though there is consideration for a few of the other schedules as well. I suggest heading over to that thread and checking the discussion there to get some extra insight. Expand
what I dont get, no matter what "meta" schedule I use, the players in their mid 20s lose all the technicals, even wonderkids do. No matter if V7, ZAZ, Carboni... doesn't help at all.
I'm just doing 2 match practices and a quickness and then quickness focus and my mid 20s guys will only lose their technicals that aren't on their roles (if they lose any at all)
My youth who are doing full rest and quickness focus. They will lose technicals and mentals and gain physicals. Seems to be that the lower ones will really benefit and they can see quite big jumps.
It seems it does though, hence me wondering what I can do about it. Expand
dont worry about it, im in my fourth season of training like this and my players are in nirvana even though a bunch of them dont like the training. If you have a bunch of issues like player mutinies happening, then i am sure training unhappiness will compound other issues, but if everything else is groovy then dont stress
It seems it does though, hence me wondering what I can do about it. Expand
What I'm testing atm is whether leaving it to your AM and then pressing "do it once" on general team training and "take control of this player" in individual training actually stops them being quite so upset. If you're always winning then it isn't a huge problem, but one bad result can shift things quickly because they all already have a gripe with you.
We have to find a balance between good development, match results, and injury mitigation
I'm not sure how to prove it, but there is negative relation between all these trainings and the match performance. Example is week defense with good fast and tall defenders and lame attack with good fast forwards. Do you think this observation is correct? Maybe adding attack shadow play and defense equivalent?!
azsumnasko said: I'm not sure how to prove it, but there is negative relation between all these trainings and the match performance. Example is week defense with good fast and tall defenders and lame attack with good fast forwards. Do you think this observation is correct? Maybe adding attack shadow play and defense equivalent?! Expand
I don't think the training that they do has an impact on match performance other than some notable things left out of the training that DO improve results (things like happiness and team cohesion)
sylekta said: V7 vs H8 seems strange, is there enough sample size? Why does +2 recovery sessions make it better? Expand
I don't know why it happened.
The sample size is not large enough, 4 seasons, but the error is not that large (Yes, there is a slight error, but it takes me a lot of time to test too many.)
Quick question. On Z8, wouldn't it be better to train defensive shadow play instead of attacking shadow play, since defensive trains both anticipation and concentration at 60%. Since no other training requiers an attacking unit, you can move every player to the defensive unit.
Steelwood said: What I'm testing atm is whether leaving it to your AM and then pressing "do it once" on general team training and "take control of this player" in individual training actually stops them being quite so upset. If you're always winning then it isn't a huge problem, but one bad result can shift things quickly because they all already have a gripe with you.
We have to find a balance between good development, match results, and injury mitigation Expand
I don't know man. I am in a unemployed save in my 2nd season where I brought a J3 team to J2 league and now at the start of the season, almost every player is unhappy with the training (I am doing L5 from the spreadsheet). Majority of the players, aswell the U21 squad, are unhappy with the training. It's like a virus.
flob said: I don't know man. I am in a unemployed save in my 2nd season where I brought a J3 team to J2 league and now at the start of the season, almost every player is unhappy with the training (I am doing L5 from the spreadsheet). Majority of the players, aswell the U21 squad, are unhappy with the training. It's like a virus. Expand
Well what I found since posting that is that you will be fine as long as you make sure that training responsibility is set to the assistant. If not, they will get upset almost immediately, all of mine were upset about the standard of strength coaching
Steelwood said: Well what I found since posting that is that you will be fine as long as you make sure that training responsibility is set to the assistant. If not, they will get upset almost immediately, all of mine were upset about the standard of strength coaching Expand
Pabsquatch said: Quick question. On Z8, wouldn't it be better to train defensive shadow play instead of attacking shadow play, since defensive trains both anticipation and concentration at 60%. Since no other training requiers an attacking unit, you can move every player to the defensive unit. Expand
This is ok optional, Z8,
Sometimes I put so much emphasis on reducing the "Number of training required per week" that I overlook some effects, So I picked a "3 training per week", You can choose as you like
@harvestgreen22 Do you maybe have a thought/idea on players complaining about training in general like the screenshot I posted a copple days ago in this topic? Do you not have this issue? If so, which training schedule do you use then if I may ask?
flob said: @harvestgreen22 Do you maybe have a thought/idea on players complaining about training in general like the screenshot I posted a copple days ago in this topic? Do you not have this issue? If so, which training schedule do you use then if I may ask? Expand
They would 100% complain, and then I would ignore them. My feeling is that these complaints won't have a big impact on morale
If you want to have no complaints, you have to give the responsibility to the Assistant. Then, set up the training plan and individual training. Select "Only once" when setting up. This way, it looks like the Assistant is in charge, but you're actually in control. But NPCS don't complain about NPC , so they have no complaints at all
harvestgreen22 said: They would 100% complain, and then I would ignore them. My feeling is that these complaints won't have a big impact on morale
If you want to have no complaints, you have to give the responsibility to the Assistant. Then, set up the training plan and individual training. Select "Only once" when setting up. This way, it looks like the Assistant is in charge, but you're actually in control. But NPCS don't complain about NPC , so they have no complaints at all Expand
Okay thanks! As I don't know how to do that 2nd part, I guess I will just ignore the comments then. May I ask, as a follow up question, do you take control of the other teams like U21 and U18 and use the same training schedules? Or do you leave all that standard and to the assistant?
I have my Jr teams doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping I have 1st team and B team doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping and 0-2xMatch Practice a week (-1 for every actual match).
GKs on Agility/Balance focus, all else on Quickness focus.
Everyone's role focus is now on a role that includes Jumping Reach if possible. For example I am playing DM-Support but they are training Halfback-Defend instead since it includes Jumping Reach.
I like Goalkeeping as a session because it helps the GKs and it only weights towards Role Training for other players.
I need to play more, but I'm not seeing much growth past 15 Pace and 15 Acceleration yet even though my PA isn't maxed out.
I think it could be interesting to put all my under 19 GKs in my 19-B team and all other 19s in 19s, and run all rest on that one. Expand
You should do physical instead of quickness, drop individual roles and match practices, then you see your players getting to 19-20 pace/acc
flob said: Okay thanks! As I don't know how to do that 2nd part, I guess I will just ignore the comments then. May I ask, as a follow up question, do you take control of the other teams like U21 and U18 and use the same training schedules? Or do you leave all that standard and to the assistant? Expand
If I think there are players who need special separation, I choose to take over the U18/U21 training and then put them on a different training schedule.
You can also decide if you want to do this according to your preference
Thanks for providing an update! So it looks like when just looking to get the max meta attributes without too much CA, X8 could be one of the best choices next to pure resting. For the A squad, the choice is quite a bit more difficult!
@harvestgreen22 Mate, juste thank you for the job
svonn said: Thanks for providing an update! So it looks like when just looking to get the max meta attributes without too much CA, X8 could be one of the best choices next to pure resting. For the A squad, the choice is quite a bit more difficult!
a bit confused as to how they look, i dont quite understand how it written. can anybody share a image of the training plan?
I'm enjoying switching to this way of thinking.
I have my Jr teams doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping
I have 1st team and B team doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping and 0-2xMatch Practice a week (-1 for every actual match).
GKs on Agility/Balance focus, all else on Quickness focus.
Everyone's role focus is now on a role that includes Jumping Reach if possible. For example I am playing DM-Support but they are training Halfback-Defend instead since it includes Jumping Reach.
I like Goalkeeping as a session because it helps the GKs and it only weights towards Role Training for other players.
I need to play more, but I'm not seeing much growth past 15 Pace and 15 Acceleration yet even though my PA isn't maxed out.
I think it could be interesting to put all my under 19 GKs in my 19-B team and all other 19s in 19s, and run all rest on that one.
harvestgreen22 said:
I tested them on Q8-T8
Thanks again for your hard work! Seems that the extra Match Practice slots are mostly good at maximizing CA growth while minimizing the number of training slots used. Without the use of the extra MPs, every schedule that has a CA growth of 24 or better uses 6 or more training slots.
I think I'll be using S8 on my main squad and X8 on my youth squads. In semi-pro, I might use A9 or O8 - maybe also X8 - since I only have six slots over three days (only four slots on weeks with one match).
I don't quite understand your rationale for choosing S8 for the main squad and X8 for the youth squad. Could you help me understand? Maybe I don't quite know how to read the table. Big thank you!
What do we think about adding a "team bonding" session? I assume it has no effect on the rest of it, just increased happiness and cohesion?
tdpm said: I don't quite understand your rationale for choosing S8 for the main squad and X8 for the youth squad. Could you help me understand? Maybe I don't quite know how to read the table. Big thank you!
Just personal preference for how I want to play my saves. If you look at the other thread that OP started, the overall winner is really V7, though there is consideration for a few of the other schedules as well. I suggest heading over to that thread and checking the discussion there to get some extra insight.
VenEttore said: Just personal preference for how I want to play my saves. If you look at the other thread that OP started, the overall winner is really V7, though there is consideration for a few of the other schedules as well. I suggest heading over to that thread and checking the discussion there to get some extra insight.
what I dont get, no matter what "meta" schedule I use, the players in their mid 20s lose all the technicals, even wonderkids do.
No matter if V7, ZAZ, Carboni... doesn't help at all.
I'm just doing 2 match practices and a quickness and then quickness focus and my mid 20s guys will only lose their technicals that aren't on their roles (if they lose any at all)
My youth who are doing full rest and quickness focus. They will lose technicals and mentals and gain physicals. Seems to be that the lower ones will really benefit and they can see quite big jumps.
Footballenjoyer said: It's just an email, if you are winning the training complaint isn't going to affect their happiness.
It seems it does though, hence me wondering what I can do about it.
flob said:
It seems it does though, hence me wondering what I can do about it.
dont worry about it, im in my fourth season of training like this and my players are in nirvana even though a bunch of them dont like the training. If you have a bunch of issues like player mutinies happening, then i am sure training unhappiness will compound other issues, but if everything else is groovy then dont stress
harvestgreen22 said:
I tested them on Q8-T8
V7 vs H8 seems strange, is there enough sample size? Why does +2 recovery sessions make it better?
pawel said: I know this, wtf im asking why he stopped developing not why he is not supersoldier
The player has probably already hit the limit of his PA.
flob said:
It seems it does though, hence me wondering what I can do about it.
What I'm testing atm is whether leaving it to your AM and then pressing "do it once" on general team training and "take control of this player" in individual training actually stops them being quite so upset. If you're always winning then it isn't a huge problem, but one bad result can shift things quickly because they all already have a gripe with you.
We have to find a balance between good development, match results, and injury mitigation
I'm not sure how to prove it, but there is negative relation between all these trainings and the match performance. Example is week defense with good fast and tall defenders and lame attack with good fast forwards.
Do you think this observation is correct?
Maybe adding attack shadow play and defense equivalent?!
azsumnasko said: I'm not sure how to prove it, but there is negative relation between all these trainings and the match performance. Example is week defense with good fast and tall defenders and lame attack with good fast forwards.
Do you think this observation is correct?
Maybe adding attack shadow play and defense equivalent?!
I don't think the training that they do has an impact on match performance other than some notable things left out of the training that DO improve results (things like happiness and team cohesion)
Can someone provide photos of the final version of the schedule for one match per week and two on Wednesday and Saturday? Thanks
sylekta said: V7 vs H8 seems strange, is there enough sample size? Why does +2 recovery sessions make it better?
I don't know why it happened.
The sample size is not large enough, 4 seasons,
but the error is not that large (Yes, there is a slight error, but it takes me a lot of time to test too many.)
Quick question. On Z8, wouldn't it be better to train defensive shadow play instead of attacking shadow play, since defensive trains both anticipation and concentration at 60%. Since no other training requiers an attacking unit, you can move every player to the defensive unit.
Steelwood said: What I'm testing atm is whether leaving it to your AM and then pressing "do it once" on general team training and "take control of this player" in individual training actually stops them being quite so upset. If you're always winning then it isn't a huge problem, but one bad result can shift things quickly because they all already have a gripe with you.
We have to find a balance between good development, match results, and injury mitigation
I don't know man. I am in a unemployed save in my 2nd season where I brought a J3 team to J2 league and now at the start of the season, almost every player is unhappy with the training (I am doing L5 from the spreadsheet). Majority of the players, aswell the U21 squad, are unhappy with the training. It's like a virus.
flob said: I don't know man. I am in a unemployed save in my 2nd season where I brought a J3 team to J2 league and now at the start of the season, almost every player is unhappy with the training (I am doing L5 from the spreadsheet). Majority of the players, aswell the U21 squad, are unhappy with the training. It's like a virus.
Well what I found since posting that is that you will be fine as long as you make sure that training responsibility is set to the assistant. If not, they will get upset almost immediately, all of mine were upset about the standard of strength coaching
Steelwood said: Well what I found since posting that is that you will be fine as long as you make sure that training responsibility is set to the assistant. If not, they will get upset almost immediately, all of mine were upset about the standard of strength coaching
That's a coaching issue not schedule
some updated
It was scattered, because I also randomly put together some training schedules in my free time, and I didn't think about anything
Pabsquatch said: Quick question. On Z8, wouldn't it be better to train defensive shadow play instead of attacking shadow play, since defensive trains both anticipation and concentration at 60%. Since no other training requiers an attacking unit, you can move every player to the defensive unit.
This is ok optional, Z8,
Sometimes I put so much emphasis on reducing the "Number of training required per week" that I overlook some effects, So I picked a "3 training per week",
You can choose as you like
@harvestgreen22 Do you maybe have a thought/idea on players complaining about training in general like the screenshot I posted a copple days ago in this topic? Do you not have this issue? If so, which training schedule do you use then if I may ask?
flob said: @harvestgreen22 Do you maybe have a thought/idea on players complaining about training in general like the screenshot I posted a copple days ago in this topic? Do you not have this issue? If so, which training schedule do you use then if I may ask?
They would 100% complain, and then I would ignore them.
My feeling is that these complaints won't have a big impact on morale
If you want to have no complaints, you have to give the responsibility to the Assistant.
Then, set up the training plan and individual training. Select "Only once" when setting up.
This way, it looks like the Assistant is in charge, but you're actually in control.
But NPCS don't complain about NPC , so they have no complaints at all
harvestgreen22 said: They would 100% complain, and then I would ignore them.
My feeling is that these complaints won't have a big impact on morale
If you want to have no complaints, you have to give the responsibility to the Assistant.
Then, set up the training plan and individual training. Select "Only once" when setting up.
This way, it looks like the Assistant is in charge, but you're actually in control.
But NPCS don't complain about NPC , so they have no complaints at all
Okay thanks! As I don't know how to do that 2nd part, I guess I will just ignore the comments then. May I ask, as a follow up question, do you take control of the other teams like U21 and U18 and use the same training schedules? Or do you leave all that standard and to the assistant?
somapsychotic said: I'm enjoying switching to this way of thinking.
I have my Jr teams doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping
I have 1st team and B team doing 1xQuickness 1xGoalkeeping and 0-2xMatch Practice a week (-1 for every actual match).
GKs on Agility/Balance focus, all else on Quickness focus.
Everyone's role focus is now on a role that includes Jumping Reach if possible. For example I am playing DM-Support but they are training Halfback-Defend instead since it includes Jumping Reach.
I like Goalkeeping as a session because it helps the GKs and it only weights towards Role Training for other players.
I need to play more, but I'm not seeing much growth past 15 Pace and 15 Acceleration yet even though my PA isn't maxed out.
I think it could be interesting to put all my under 19 GKs in my 19-B team and all other 19s in 19s, and run all rest on that one.
You should do physical instead of quickness, drop individual roles and match practices, then you see your players getting to 19-20 pace/acc
flob said: Okay thanks! As I don't know how to do that 2nd part, I guess I will just ignore the comments then. May I ask, as a follow up question, do you take control of the other teams like U21 and U18 and use the same training schedules? Or do you leave all that standard and to the assistant?
If I think there are players who need special separation, I choose to take over the U18/U21 training and then put them on a different training schedule.
You can also decide if you want to do this according to your preference