4-2-3-1 DM Asymmetric ( ZaZ - Blue DM Tweak )

by Albert, Jan 17, 2022

My tactic is based on ZaZ - Blue DM ( Double Tweaked ) and inspired by ZaZ - Blue DM so a big shout-out to @ZaZ and @Snoop for their incredible work!












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Congats on topping the table with the 5.4!! Looking forward to trying this!

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Nice work, it has good defense.

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congrats mate!

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My score 7,5/10. Used FMRTE(freeze heel and inspire) and holiday all season

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Lampochka97 said: My score 7,5/10. Used FMRTE(freeze heel and inspire) and holiday all season

Just curious why you are not test with weaker team? Liverpool is too OP

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Martin said: Just curious why you are not test with weaker team? Liverpool is too OP

Liverpool have the strongest squad in my opinion. Sooner or later, any team will become strong. I don't see any point in changing tactics, that is, first set tactics for a weak team, then for an average one, then for a strong one and then for a very strong one. Usually people choose one tactic and play it all their career. As the tests show, the results between the tactics are not so much different, that is, the tactics for Liverpool will not fail in Norwich.

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Martin said: Just curious why you are not test with weaker team? Liverpool is too OP

I also have 24 hours in the day, and for example today I am testing tactics from 5 am. I test each tactic 3 times, then I enter the results in the table, it's a long time

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Lampochka97 said: Liverpool have the strongest squad in my opinion. Sooner or later, any team will become strong.

That's true but if you are Norwich city then it might take 10 season to become as strong as Liverpool with an average tactic and with a very good tactic it might take only 5 season to become as strong as Liverpool because with a very good tactic you'll be getting higher places so more money.

Also, freezing morale and conditions with FMRTE only for the team you manage doesn't make sense at all because it gives a huge advantage, especially, when your team is already the strongest team in the league it becomes just ridiculously not realistic.

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Milakus said: That's true but if you are Norwich city then it might take 10 season to become as strong as Liverpool with an average tactic and with a very good tactic it might take only 5 season to become as strong as Liverpool because with a very good tactic you'll be getting higher places so more money.

Also, freezing morale and conditions with FMRTE only for the team you manage doesn't make sense at all because it gives a huge advantage, especially, when your team is already the strongest team in the league it becomes just ridiculously not realistic.


I'm still looking for the perfect way to test

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Same test as Lampochka97 with Liverpool, on holiday for whole season, still won EPL and both domestic cups, narrowly lost to Bayern in ECL Semi Finals.

Tried the test with Newcastle but got sacked before Xmas with 15 points from 16 games :D

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2nd run through with Liverpool, won ECL but far worse performance in the EPL which is evident from the data hub stats.  Interestingly Salah missed 4 months of the season injured which may well explain the poor EPL performance!

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Lampochka97 said: Liverpool have the strongest squad in my opinion. Sooner or later, any team will become strong. I don't see any point in changing tactics, that is, first set tactics for a weak team, then for an average one, then for a strong one and then for a very strong one. Usually people choose one tactic and play it all their career. As the tests show, the results between the tactics are not so much different, that is, the tactics for Liverpool will not fail in Norwich.

disagree with Liverpool having the strongest squad, they may possibly have the best starting 11 at a push but they lack depth and quality in depth

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CBP87 said: disagree with Liverpool having the strongest squad, they may possibly have the best starting 11 at a push but they lack depth and quality in depth

English teams are very strong in FM. if you play a lot, you will see that in the first seasons Liverpool most often wins the Champions League even under computer control

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3rd and final run through, no trophies this time - runners up on goal difference in EPL and beaten in FA Cup final 3-1 by Man City.  Knocked out of CL by Bayern 3-1 on aggregate in quarters.

Again Salah missed 2 months of the season injured so maybe a little unlucky but it's not like he's the only player who picks up an injury throughout the three test seasons.

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Lampochka97 said: English teams are very strong in FM. if you play a lot, you will see that in the first seasons Liverpool most often wins the Champions League even under computer control

I do play a lot and there is no doubt they are strong in Europe but they don't win it every time, they lack squad depth. If you're testing with Liverpool then you'll struggle if you get a few injuries

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MeGaMaN said: 3rd and final run through, no trophies this time - runners up on goal difference in EPL and beaten in FA Cup final 3-1 by Man City.  Knocked out of CL by Bayern 3-1 on aggregate in quarters.

Again Salah missed 2 months of the season injured so maybe a little unlucky but it's not like he's the only player who picks up an injury throughout the three test seasons.


When you test "on holiday" then you end up with a lot "unhappy" players in the team because there's no code for the assistant manager to solve any complains issue with the players so that way the AI teams get a huge advantage over you because the AI managers can solve complains issues with the players.

So when you test "on holiday" and you don't use FMRTE to solve the morale issue then you need to understand that the AI teams have an advantage over you.

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Milakus said: That's true but if you are Norwich city then it might take 10 season to become as strong as Liverpool with an average tactic and with a very good tactic it might take only 5 season to become as strong as Liverpool because with a very good tactic you'll be getting higher places so more money.

Also, freezing morale and conditions with FMRTE only for the team you manage doesn't make sense at all because it gives a huge advantage, especially, when your team is already the strongest team in the league it becomes just ridiculously not realistic.


There is no perfect and correct way to test tactics. Yes, my method is bad because I freeze players, but I do tests 3 times and if Salah misses six months and I only do 1 test, then the result will be wrong. In the 2nd test, Alisson may miss six months, the result will also change. Probably, my result is more incorrect for those who are just looking for good tactics and my tests work only for me

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Lampochka97 said: There is no perfect and correct way to test tactics. Yes, my method is bad because I freeze players, but I do tests 3 times and if Salah misses six months and I only do 1 test, then the result will be wrong. In the 2nd test, Alisson may miss six months, the result will also change. Probably, my result is more incorrect for those who are just looking for good tactics and my tests work only for me

There is nothing wrong with doing that, but I would suggest freezing the other players from other teams too. Creating the same environment each time is fine, but if you're only freezing Liverpool then it's more than likely going to be very one sided as Liverpool have the advantage, but by doing them all at least you're offering an equal playing field

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Lampochka97 said: There is no perfect and correct way to test tactics. Yes, my method is bad because I freeze players, but I do tests 3 times and if Salah misses six months and I only do 1 test, then the result will be wrong. In the 2nd test, Alisson may miss six months, the result will also change. Probably, my result is more incorrect for those who are just looking for good tactics and my tests work only for me

There is a proper way to test tactics "On Holiday" and as @CBP87 suggested you need to freeze the morale and conditions for all the teams in the league and not only for your team.

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Blue DM is getting better and better. Thank you all @Albert @Snoop @ZaZ !

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@Albert  Hope rest of the player instructions remain same as per zaz original tactic instructions!

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WesleySniper said: Blue DM is getting better and better. Thank you all @Albert @Snoop @ZaZ !

I'm trying to identify what is causing the improvement in quality, if it's the CD instead of BPD, the removal of Play Out of Defense, the tweaked set pieces or the different roles/positions. Once I get some hint, I'll see if it can be improved further, but I like that it's getting even more solid defensively. Good job to everyone!

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Tejash said: @Albert  Hope rest of the player instructions remain same as per zaz original tactic instructions!

I've added the players instructions.

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WesleySniper said: Blue DM is getting better and better. Thank you all!

ZaZ said: I'm trying to identify what is causing the improvement in quality, if it's the CD instead of BPD, the removal of Play Out of Defense, the tweaked set pieces or the different roles/positions. Once I get some hint, I'll see if it can be improved further, but I like that it's getting even more solid defensively. Good job to everyone!

Thanks!

I'd say the improvement in quality is quite small but the tweaks give an opportunity to use different
formations which can be quite handy for many teams and playing styles.

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I consider the tweaked versions superior to the original, even though they might be technically tied in the margin of error of tests. I just think wingers are easier to handle than defensive wingers, since you can set them to ease off tackles if they get a yellow card or if you wanna rest. The tweaks also seem to have a better goal difference due to superior defense, which is always a plus.

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We have just tested this tactic :)
https://fm-gamers.com/en/football-manager-2022-tactic

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fmgamers said: We have just tested this tactic :)
https://fm-gamers.com/en/football-manager-2022-tactic


Access is denied when trying to access that link

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The winger should have which foot he prefers?

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Eddie said: The winger should have which foot he prefers?

I guess the same with the flank because they are wingers.

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