Waterfall V1

UPDATE:
Version V2:

List of changes:
Passing: Shorter -> Slightly More Direct (2 ticks up)
Tempo 1 tick down (but it stays as Slightly Higher due to changes in passing)
Removed Pass Into Space
Removed Overlaps
Removed Distribute to Fullbacks
Central Defenders -> Ball Playing Defenders (with a couple PIs added)
Changes to set pieces (defending corners, attacking free kicks, attacking corners)

Should definitely improve consistency of the tactic. Undefeated season in a test run with Liverpool - undefeated in league and didn't even drop a single game in cups, won everything. I'd appreciate it if it could be tested at some point - much more consistent in my tests than the V1 version that was tested.





V1:
Could you test this please? 107 points with Liverpool, smashed Bayern in UCL final 7:0

Doesn't look bad but certainly not as stable as Phoenix and Red

You're right very attacking produces really inconsistent results, I have one more tactic coming that I have ready and also produced amazing results with Liverpool, it's with attacking mentality and should be much better.

Egraam said: You're right very attacking produces really inconsistent results, I have one more tactic coming that I have ready and also produced amazing results with Liverpool, it's with attacking mentality and should be much better. Expand

It's good that you bring new stuff to the table. If not for Doom, people would still be stuck on the ~6.3 score for using normal forwards. Thinking out of the box will suck 99% of the time, but that 1% is just the breakthrough we need to evolve.

Nice, really satisfying amount of goals and wingerless formation doing pretty good in the tests opens up a lot of options for future tactical creation. Thank you for the test.

Really interesting, I'm working on something similar, starting from my narrow 41212 tactic.
I was trying to work with mezzalas in the midfield but results were disappointing.
Using FBs instead of WBs makes defense more solid but a lot less productive when attacking.

I've tried mezzalas in many different formations where they should theoretically work well, but like you said results were disappointing. I find carilleros to be more effective if in need of wide midfield player, but this is a much more supporting/defensive role so would need to be paired with something more attacking.

Wingbacks sometimes leave the flank open, and watching the games I'd say it's the main source of threat from opposition with this tactic, so I tried forcing opposition inside to deal with that issue - it did it's job because I started conceding much less from crosses, but then through balls become a problem. Pretty hard to find balance in defence this year - last year's top tactics were all conceding around a goal per game, this year there is still a lot of variance because we're early in the patch, but 1.4-1.5 seems to be the norm.

mezzalas are just not it this year or this patch. shame really as ive always enjoyed using them

UPDATE:
Version V2 (added the same info to the main post, the tactic file is there):

List of changes:
Passing: Shorter -> Slightly More Direct (2 ticks up)
Tempo 1 tick down (but it stays as Slightly Higher due to changes in passing)
Removed Pass Into Space
Removed Overlaps
Removed Distribute to Fullbacks
Central Defenders -> Ball Playing Defenders (with a couple PIs added)
Changes to set pieces (defending corners, attacking free kicks, attacking corners)

Should definitely improve consistency of the tactic. Undefeated season in a test run with Liverpool - undefeated in league and didn't even drop a single game in cups, won everything. I'd appreciate it if it could be tested at some point - much more consistent in my tests than the V1 version that was tested.

Just congratulate Egraam on this tactic. 1st season with Brighton and we are in the Champions League.

Filer974 said: Just congratulate Egraam on this tactic. 1st season with Brighton and we are in the Champions League. Expand

Hi,

Can you share some screenshots?

Yes

Hi @Egraam I really like this tactic, what do you do away against tough opposition or when your a couple of goals up to tighten it up at the back? is lowering mentality enoough?

Paul said: Hi @Egraam I really like this tactic, what do you do away against tough opposition or when your a couple of goals up to tighten it up at the back? is lowering mentality enoough? Expand

There is a number of different things you could do, depending on how much do you want to tighten up - lowering the mentality (to something like positive) is the first thing you could do if you just want to slow down a little without going into full defensive mode or are just looking to play a bit safer away.

If your only goal is to defend the lead in the last 10-15 minutes you could turn on time wasting to max, lower the tempo, shorten the passing range and go for "hold shape" instead of "counter".

Here's an example of time-wasting version that I made, that you could use in the last minutes of the game to defend the lead - aside from the things I mentioned above it utilises much more defensive version of attacking corners and throw-ins (made specifically with time-wasting in mind). If you still find yourself leaking goals at the end of the games, you could go for cautious mentality, turn off counter-press and change wing-backs to full-backs to play even more defensive.

Egraam said: There is a number of different things you could do, depending on how much do you want to tighten up - lowering the mentality (to something like positive) is the first thing you could do if you just want to slow down a little without going into full defensive mode or are just looking to play a bit safer away.

If your only goal is to defend the lead in the last 10-15 minutes you could turn on time wasting to max, lower the tempo, shorten the passing range and go for "hold shape" instead of "counter".

Here's an example of time-wasting version that I made, that you could use in the last minutes of the game to defend the lead - aside from the things I mentioned above it utilises much more defensive version of attacking corners and throw-ins (made specifically with time-wasting in mind). If you still find yourself leaking goals at the end of the games, you could go for cautious mentality, turn off counter-press and change wing-backs to full-backs to play even more defensive.





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Wow thats really helpful, thanks I've just been promoted to the premier league with a very poor side so I think I will be needing this advice!

2nd season with Brighton with this tactic ....