pixar said: I use positional training. Depending on the tactics I use, of course. But I do not use additional individual training. Including the goalkeeper. Expand
pixar said: I shared your first question in the last image of my post you quoted. Check it out again
For the second question, I can give examples as follows. These two players have been in my team since they were 18 years old. They are now 22 years old.
doru228 said: well i have a u18 and a u21 squad. i was wondering if the same training imporves the 15-18 players as much Expand
hey, you probably can use it, but from my experience, this is what i do: promote your best newgens and/or youth prospects to senior team and make them available for u18 (or u21 if they are over 17) for 90 minutes.
This way, they train with the "big boys" and play matches in youth and B teams, but also you can give minutes in senior team to your best newgens from time to time in your cup matches against lower division team OR if you are leading 3-0. One more thing that i found is that difference between coach with 10-15 and coach with 20 in "working with youngsters" is not significant. Just get best coaches for each category
Please note that from my experience, you need to give youngsters at least 30 mins per game if you want them to upgrade attributes.
Yarema said: So I've watched the EBFM video. Kind of interesting data on double intensity. But when I try it in my own save the fitness level of my players is just that tiny bit worse that they don't fully recover in time for next match in 2 matches per week scenario. Anyone else tried the same? Expand
What was the data regarding double intensity? Or is it in one of his recent videos? I've not watched this series
pixar said: My friend, with your method, my injuries have decreased significantly and my players continue their physical-mental-technical development. I do not give my players individual training. I only provide weak foot strengthening training for my eligible players. They usually solve it in 1 season. I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method. I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
I think one thing that is overlooked is that rest sessions increase physical development.
The "no training" experiments yielded physical beasts but tanked most mental/technical abilities and 200PA players wound up in the 110 CA range. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJynDrBhTUw
Considering the importance of physical attributes you want to maximize their development but not to the point where a player can't reach his PA, so I surmise an optimal schedule contains 2 Physical sessions, 1-2 Resistance and a few Attacking/Defending to make up for the technical/mental decline, perhaps giving slight development in those areas. Filling up the schedule because you can is therefore not necessarily good.
Then you move on to which technicals and mentals you actually want to maintain/develop (dribbling, concentration, anticipation) and which you would happily see decline. E.g. Decisions eats a ton of CA for no verifiable benefit, but unfortunately seems to grow significantly with almost every non-physical session. And while not really verified in the attribute tests, I have seen anecdotal evidence that some technical attributes seems to have an impact where others don't (crossing does seem to yield significantly higher quality crosses based on in game metrics while passing/finishing don't seem to yield significant statistical impact).
From this perspective Possession seems to be a better session than Attacking. It has slightly better physical development, the same impact on dribbling and first touch and a lower increase in decisions. What makes me wary is that while it tanks finishing instead of significantly improving it, it also tanks crossing. If crossing does have a ME impact that would be impactful considering the importance of crosses in FM24. We also have the technical sessions, where some have good attribute profiles such as Transition Press and I don't know if it has been tested but I have seen claims that these also impact match performance in the short term.
pixar said: My friend, with your method, my injuries have decreased significantly and my players continue their physical-mental-technical development. I do not give my players individual training. I only provide weak foot strengthening training for my eligible players. They usually solve it in 1 season. I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method. I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
Cheers.
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How would you adapt this for only one match day per week?
Middleweight165 said: @ZaZ do you do this the day of the game and then it gives the next day as a rest day? Expand
Yes, that is what I do, together with automatic rest.
I have been away from FM for a while since I was playing other games. I kind of stopped having fun with FM24, and the break will help me enjoy more FM25.
ZaZ said: Yes, that is what I do, together with automatic rest.
I have been away from FM for a while since I was playing other games. I kind of stopped having fun with FM24, and the break will help me enjoy more FM25. Expand
I was just a bit thrown when selecting rest after a Sat game, it was saying 2 days rest but i'm guessing thats Sat evening + all Sunday as an example
I've used this for a while now and its a bit of a game changer too be honest. Mostly in that the amount of rotation necessary is a lot less. Playing two matches per week, I was working with a squad of 29 and having to faff around with circumventing registration rules but this has removed this now
Middleweight165 said: I was just a bit thrown when selecting rest after a Sat game, it was saying 2 days rest but i'm guessing thats Sat evening + all Sunday as an example
I've used this for a while now and its a bit of a game changer too be honest. Mostly in that the amount of rotation necessary is a lot less. Playing two matches per week, I was working with a squad of 29 and having to faff around with circumventing registration rules but this has removed this now Expand
Just remember that three rest sessions in training, plus rest at home, equals super rest.
Shikko said: Does it have to be 3 rest sessions or does "no pitch or gym work" for players under excellent condition work as well? Expand
It needs to be 3 rest sessions in the same day, plus either "no pitch or gym work" or send players home to rest manually. That causes the game to glitch and players recover more energy than if you did just one of them. It is probably just a programming error in the game, but I assure you it works. I even tested with Max from Evidence Based FM, and he made a video about it.
ZaZ said: It needs to be 3 rest sessions in the same day, plus either "no pitch or gym work" or send players home to rest manually. That causes the game to glitch and players recover more energy than if you did just one of them. It is probably just a programming error in the game, but I assure you it works. I even tested with Max from Evidence Based FM, and he made a video about it. Expand
So there is no need to manually click training > rest, instead "no pitch or gym" is enough and there is no benefit with having both at the same time..
I always manually did training>rest just to be sure
pixar said: I use positional training. Depending on the tactics I use, of course.
But I do not use additional individual training. Including the goalkeeper.
Thank you very much!
Gonna try it now in my save
pixar said: I shared your first question in the last image of my post you quoted. Check it out again
For the second question, I can give examples as follows.
These two players have been in my team since they were 18 years old. They are now 22 years old.
do you use the same schedule for youth also ?
doru228 said: do you use the same schedule for youth also ?
No. I don't like keeping players in my Under 19 team. I usually loan my players.
pixar said: No. I don't like keeping players in my Under 19 team. I usually loan my players.
well i have a u18 and a u21 squad. i was wondering if the same training imporves the 15-18 players as much
doru228 said: well i have a u18 and a u21 squad. i was wondering if the same training imporves the 15-18 players as much
hey, you probably can use it, but from my experience, this is what i do:
promote your best newgens and/or youth prospects to senior team and make them available for u18 (or u21 if they are over 17) for 90 minutes.
This way, they train with the "big boys" and play matches in youth and B teams, but also you can give minutes in senior team to your best newgens from time to time in your cup matches against lower division team OR if you are leading 3-0. One more thing that i found is that difference between coach with 10-15 and coach with 20 in "working with youngsters" is not significant. Just get best coaches for each category
Please note that from my experience, you need to give youngsters at least 30 mins per game if you want them to upgrade attributes.
Hope this helped you making some newgen beasts
Yarema said: So I've watched the EBFM video. Kind of interesting data on double intensity. But when I try it in my own save the fitness level of my players is just that tiny bit worse that they don't fully recover in time for next match in 2 matches per week scenario. Anyone else tried the same?
What was the data regarding double intensity? Or is it in one of his recent videos? I've not watched this series
pixar said: My friend, with your method, my injuries have decreased significantly and my players continue their physical-mental-technical development. I do not give my players individual training. I only provide weak foot strengthening training for my eligible players. They usually solve it in 1 season.
I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method.
I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
Cheers.
Why half intensity though?
for maximizing physical growth, is 2 physical + 1 resistance per week optimal or can you increase physical growth further?
I think one thing that is overlooked is that rest sessions increase physical development.
The "no training" experiments yielded physical beasts but tanked most mental/technical abilities and 200PA players wound up in the 110 CA range. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJynDrBhTUw
EBFM's tests actually indirectly suggest this as well even though he didn't specifically test the effects of the rest session - but similar non-training sessions such as Recovery, Team Bonding, Match Review etc. yielded significant physical development. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/iil3uzylhhkakvw7a4eex/Training-7-for-Dropbox.xlsx?rlkey=8qe1b84rqx7623tzbkxwjts8b&e=2&dl=0
Considering the importance of physical attributes you want to maximize their development but not to the point where a player can't reach his PA, so I surmise an optimal schedule contains 2 Physical sessions, 1-2 Resistance and a few Attacking/Defending to make up for the technical/mental decline, perhaps giving slight development in those areas. Filling up the schedule because you can is therefore not necessarily good.
Then you move on to which technicals and mentals you actually want to maintain/develop (dribbling, concentration, anticipation) and which you would happily see decline. E.g. Decisions eats a ton of CA for no verifiable benefit, but unfortunately seems to grow significantly with almost every non-physical session. And while not really verified in the attribute tests, I have seen anecdotal evidence that some technical attributes seems to have an impact where others don't (crossing does seem to yield significantly higher quality crosses based on in game metrics while passing/finishing don't seem to yield significant statistical impact).
From this perspective Possession seems to be a better session than Attacking. It has slightly better physical development, the same impact on dribbling and first touch and a lower increase in decisions. What makes me wary is that while it tanks finishing instead of significantly improving it, it also tanks crossing. If crossing does have a ME impact that would be impactful considering the importance of crosses in FM24. We also have the technical sessions, where some have good attribute profiles such as Transition Press and I don't know if it has been tested but I have seen claims that these also impact match performance in the short term.
pixar said: My friend, with your method, my injuries have decreased significantly and my players continue their physical-mental-technical development. I do not give my players individual training. I only provide weak foot strengthening training for my eligible players. They usually solve it in 1 season.
I do not give my players manual holidays. But I play in rotation. I play with my main squad in Europe, with my reserve squad in the matches I play at home before or after the European matches in the league, with my main squad in the remaining matches and finally with my reserve squad in the local cups.
The key to this program is to give players full rest (for 3 sessions) the day after match days. If there is no match on Wednesday-Saturday, it is just a corner routine or shot stopping training for goalkeepers. Additionally, if there is no match on Wednesday, I added team bonding training to the evening session to boost team harmony and motivation.
I played 6 seasons with 24.3.0 using this method.
I play my matches on Wednesday-Saturday.
Below is a preview of the training program and download links.
Cheers.
How would you adapt this for only one match day per week?
ZaZ said: Just right click the player > Training > Send to rest.
@ZaZ do you do this the day of the game and then it gives the next day as a rest day?
Middleweight165 said: @ZaZ do you do this the day of the game and then it gives the next day as a rest day?
Yes, that is what I do, together with automatic rest.
I have been away from FM for a while since I was playing other games. I kind of stopped having fun with FM24, and the break will help me enjoy more FM25.
ZaZ said: Yes, that is what I do, together with automatic rest.
I have been away from FM for a while since I was playing other games. I kind of stopped having fun with FM24, and the break will help me enjoy more FM25.
I was just a bit thrown when selecting rest after a Sat game, it was saying 2 days rest but i'm guessing thats Sat evening + all Sunday as an example
I've used this for a while now and its a bit of a game changer too be honest. Mostly in that the amount of rotation necessary is a lot less. Playing two matches per week, I was working with a squad of 29 and having to faff around with circumventing registration rules but this has removed this now
Middleweight165 said: I was just a bit thrown when selecting rest after a Sat game, it was saying 2 days rest but i'm guessing thats Sat evening + all Sunday as an example
I've used this for a while now and its a bit of a game changer too be honest. Mostly in that the amount of rotation necessary is a lot less. Playing two matches per week, I was working with a squad of 29 and having to faff around with circumventing registration rules but this has removed this now
Just remember that three rest sessions in training, plus rest at home, equals super rest.
ZaZ said: Just remember that three rest sessions in training, plus rest at home, equals super rest.
Does it have to be 3 rest sessions or does "no pitch or gym work" for players under excellent condition work as well?
Shikko said: Does it have to be 3 rest sessions or does "no pitch or gym work" for players under excellent condition work as well?
It needs to be 3 rest sessions in the same day, plus either "no pitch or gym work" or send players home to rest manually. That causes the game to glitch and players recover more energy than if you did just one of them. It is probably just a programming error in the game, but I assure you it works. I even tested with Max from Evidence Based FM, and he made a video about it.
ZaZ said: It needs to be 3 rest sessions in the same day, plus either "no pitch or gym work" or send players home to rest manually. That causes the game to glitch and players recover more energy than if you did just one of them. It is probably just a programming error in the game, but I assure you it works. I even tested with Max from Evidence Based FM, and he made a video about it.
So there is no need to manually click training > rest, instead "no pitch or gym" is enough and there is no benefit with having both at the same time..
I always manually did training>rest just to be sure