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Edit 18/12/2022

4231 The Assembler Zone.

The rules and the tactic option are an adaptation on the last data release that were made on :

https://fm-arena.com/board/10-tactical-instructions-testing/

All the test were made on vacation.

Gonna try to rebuild the journey i did in order to achieve a solid 4231.

The idea to go into a 4231 was at the time since i couldn't make a 4231 narrow perfoming like one with wingers i decided to first attempt a good 4231 and after move on around other shapes.

Everything started with the main goal to make the AF=striker do his main job, scoring tons of goals (the record was 137 goals in one season with Haaland), but since here on arena the league is setuped to achieve a more balanced game (i guess), striker are tall 1.75 so it's basically hard to focus crosses on them since the defenders are tall 1.90.
So i've decided to rework the sp's with rework i mean that i went around the web to find anything i could like, since i personally didn't spend time on it yet, but i will soon because are too much important and that makes the difference between a good tactic and a great one.


Archieve of every tactic :

4231 Focus Striker - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/15936/

4231 Focus Striker V3 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/15987/

4231 NoName - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16006/

4231 Focus Striker V4 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16015/

Bibble Story - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16473/ ( you can find there the pre and post )

Post Meta Bibble v2 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16564/

Post Meta Bibble v3 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16565/

Islam Champ - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/16896/

Islam's Choke - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17122/

4231 Khabib's choke - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17123/

4231 Islam Champ V2 - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17124/

4231 Islam Champ V3  -  https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17132/

4231 Islam Makhachev - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17272/

4231 Jeff Hardy  - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17273/

4231 Nurmagomedov - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17351/

4231 Khabib Nurmagomedov - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/17384/
     

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Please test with a lesser team.

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Baz said: Please test with a lesser team.

You test it with a lesser team

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Baz said: Please test with a lesser team.

Ok, so i've runned it with Fulham/Brentford/Westham/Newcastle

Those are the results for:

4231 Striker Focus

Spoiler Fulham: 4th + runner on carabao
Brentford: 4th + Fa champ
WestHam : 1st + Conference league
Newcastle : 6th + Carabao cup (that run is super strange,because i didn't except to get 70 goals,maybe rng striked hard)

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I think u r going to score the highest on table haha, pretty solid tactic ^^ gj

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crizeKOS said: I think u r going to score the highest on table haha, pretty solid tactic ^^ gj

I don't really think that!
I am doing this to shows that those results  made here on arena ,idk if there is a team or it's just zippo working on it are real, they might be little dettails for the majority,but that's what we chasing for!

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I think ur tactic is perfect, I would just remove wide instruction from CBS

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crizeKOS said: I think ur tactic is perfect, I would just remove wide instruction from CBS

It was just a test i might actually forgot to remove it... gonna run some test w/o it later!

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Delicious said: It was just a test i might actually forgot to remove it... gonna run some test w/o it later!

I think the wide instruction for the CBs is actually a good thing

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Delicious said: It was just a test i might actually forgot to remove it... gonna run some test w/o it later!

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Chewbacca said: I think the wide instruction for the CBs is actually a good thing

I dont like to open unnecesary gaps for through balls, but BPD with drible more is kinda breaking the match engine atm

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crizeKOS said: I dont like to open unnecesary gaps for through balls, but BPD with drible more is kinda breaking the match engine atm

But they try to stay wide only then the team has the ball, it's a with the ball instruction, it doesn't apply when the team is out of possesion.

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Chewbacca said: I think the wide instruction for the CBs is actually a good thing

Need to check i don't remember why i even test them in first place!

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Chewbacca said: But they try to stay wide only then the team has the ball, it's a with the ball instruction, it doesn't apply when the team is out of possesion.

Nope man, there is transitions on football. When u lose the ball u may be catch up in a ball over the top.

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Delicious said: Ok, so i've runned it with Fulham/Brentford/Westham/Newcastle

Those are the results for:

4231 Islam FYS

Spoiler Fulham: 4th + runner on carabao
Brentford: 4th + Fa champ
WestHam : 1st + Conference league
Newcastle : 6th + Carabao cup (that run is super strange,because i didn't except to get 70 goals,maybe rng striked hard)


I've found out that Newcastle dont have a proper Shadow Strike. They play with Anderson as default. I recommend retry the test trainning someone else in that role.

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I am getting stupid, i wanted to quote your results with Spurs,but for some reason, i can't ...

Can you tell me how many goals did Kane overall? I mean with all cups included

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crizeKOS said: Nope man, there is transitions on football. When u lose the ball u may be catch up in a ball over the top.

you're right it might also affect the transition phase at some degree, I was just pointing that the wide instruction for CDs is supposed to work when the team has the ball and should not has any effect in the out of the possession phase

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Gonna run some test w/o it later, to check how much it was affecting the win% overall.

I will make even something with the "old meta rules comparision"

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I made some tests against the top 6 as Newcastle. I had to change to positive mentality to take lesser goals away. In the forum test basically u play against very good teams as Roma/Leverkusen for instance if im not mistaken. I think that's the reason most of tactics that are on top are on structured team fluidity and positive mentality

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crizeKOS said: I made some tests against the top 6 as Newcastle. I had to change to positive mentality to take lesser goals away. In the forum test basically u play against very good teams as Roma/Leverkusen for instance if im not mistaken. I think that's the reason most of tactics that are on top are on structured team fluidity and positive mentality

Yes, this "serie" is about Attacking, i will even make with positive and balanced as well.

I did some changes on Newcastle but didn't change that much,maybe was even RNG. Gotta check Later, gonna make one run on my test-league because like that is hard to say.

So i can check differencies to stay wider CD on/off

At least we can say that the magpies likes Carabao Cup :P

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Delicious said: Yes, this "serie" is about Attacking, i will even make with positive and balanced as well.

I did some changes on Newcastle but didn't change that much,maybe was even RNG. Gotta check Later, gonna make one run on my test-league because like that is hard to say.

So i can check differencies to stay wider CD on/off

At least we can say that the magpies likes Carabao Cup :P


what u mean by RNG?

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I won the league with Spurs

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crizeKOS said: I won the league with Spurs

GG! for the test!

By random number generator, on this case means something that alterate the potential of the tactic overall, there are many factors that why there is a Testing-League etcetc.

For example i've created a Testing-league to test tactics, but for example it might be totaly different, from the formula that is applied here.

If you want to try to find the "pure" number that is your tactic power you need test on a certain field. I mean in game you will do 38 games in league plus the cups, maybe your players were better on fitness or the coesion or the moral or you didn't had many injuries, those aspect are the rng of this game. (there are WAY a lot).

So you need to test many many times, that's why there are tools like FMRTE that are used for the test league.

A real example i don't even know if what i wrote was even understanble, you might have won the league with spurs,like i did with westham but we don't know how the RNG affected the overall result.
But if you do a stable number for like 10 times in a row (example), you might be "near" to an approximation of the potential of the tactic.

Because it's time consuming run tons of test and at a point you will face a wall and that's why here you can have a tactic tested!


this is a screen shot of my excel of my testing-league tab, i can say that on the first cell something happened there,results went sky rocket, i don't know how or why,maybe i hitted a huge RNG wave,if you notice the 2nd and 3rd they are pretty similar but in order to be sure that "cb no wider is better" i have to run it xMore times. But that's a random testing league that i made to collect data, doesn't mean nothing outside of it, if in-game the results are gonna be "bad".


That's the process i am using in order to get a tactic tested on vacation, otherwise if don't like the results it's going into the bin.

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ty for this in dept explanation

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moma post
I might puke... (27 days later nothing changed)

Changelong that will be followed by more test run... Added: 4231 Focus Striker v3

A little Story:
Spoiler So, after what @crizeKOS said about CB etc, and after understand that my set pieces on defense are a joke, i went around but i have no clue how to manual change them, i mean i can't even copy anything because is going crazy and making pieces around ( but i am pretty newbie about it , i tried to get from Vujevic and readatting to 4231 no clue if it went good or not, i've almost broken the monitor from the frustation about those pieces... (if anyone wanna show me the light about those things at least how can i freely manage the pieces will would be great)

So i went back again from square 0 because something was strange to those results to me,so basically i've removed all those Approach play, because of the test or w/e, seem nowdays less you put and more you get in results... re-tweaked a bit the IF and did

First test : i didn't change rules just removed the "extra option", cb w/o narrow thing, AF with 2 rules.

I know, that i might be rng on full speed, that's why gonna make more test,but it never happened before so, even if haaland did only scored 120 goals, i am a bit satisfied about the changelog!

Let's see how is gonna end!

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I can holiday test with Bournemouth, Brentford and other teams today.

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https://fm-arena.com/thread/2900-the-assembler-4231-islam-tactic-pre-post-meta-bibble/

I did run some vacations with Focus Striker V3.

I mean,everything looks like the same but sp's changes and other stuff make it a little bit better.

Or maybe it was just RNG wave.

Results:

Spoiler Brentford: 4th 75 points
Fulham: 4th 70 points
Pool: 1st 101 points ; UCL Champs,Carabao Champs,CS Champs ( to me pool always did strange results for example on the scoring it's seem the lacking something, maybe haaland...)
City: 1st 101 points ; FA Champs and CS (guess this was a bad wave :P)
West Ham: 3rd 77 points CL champs.



I will even put a CWB version and IWB. I would even make one with AMC, i don't know why but this SS smell a bit to me.

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https://fm-arena.com/thread/2900-the-assembler-4231-islam-tactic-pre-post-meta-bibble/

Changelog :

Focus Striker V4

All test were made with City. 2 are pretty the same run, one went a bit way too bad.

If you guys are interested gonna make even with lower teams :o

Will give 3 runs to IWB and trying with AMC instead of SS

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@Delicious Which one is the best?

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Tejash said: @Delicious Which one is the best?

No clue if they gonna test all of them, but Pversion to me seem more stable

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