I know Mark and ZAZ did some testing for last year, but it wondered what the general consensus was regarding training schedules this year? I've been running RDF and it seemed to be going well with the seniors but the u23 and u18 I'm not too sure.
What is a good level of CA increase per season and I've noticed that CA rises occur before january and then not a lot afterwards. What are you guys running? Does having every non-gk on quickness training actually have a negative impact?
I'd love to know any really good sessions for CA rising for my u-23 team, which is where my best youth play for a year before a loan.
I think most of the schedules out there do a similar job. My personal preference is the ZaZ concept, saves me time since I don't have to manually rest players in fixture congestion. And there is no dilemma which sessions to skip when you have less slots available in a week because of matches or travel.
Yarema said: I think most of the schedules out there do a similar job. My personal preference is the ZaZ concept, saves me time since I don't have to manually rest players in fixture congestion. And there is no dilemma which sessions to skip when you have less slots available in a week because of matches or travel. Expand
I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development.
Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development. Expand
you won't develop your players by trainings only, it's crucial for them to actually play competitive and resting schedule just helps them to not get overloaded and stay fresh
opq said: you won't develop your players by trainings only, it's crucial for them to actually play competitive and resting schedule just helps them to not get overloaded and stay fresh Expand
if players didn't break in your main squad yet, then better loan them out for some team with appropriate training facilities and Important player as suggested game time
Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development. Expand
On the other hand anyone that didn't play in a match is training fully the next day, most other schedules have some recovery or rest the day after for the whole squad not only those that played. Also in fixture congestion it's common practice to give first 11 a couple of days of rest. The settings merely automate this process so I don't have to do it all the time.
Not saying it's necessarily the best, but I like the simplicity of it and how it reduces the amount of things I have to handle or pay attention to.
Yarema said: On the other hand anyone that didn't play in a match is training fully the next day, most other schedules have some recovery or rest the day after for the whole squad not only those that played. Also in fixture congestion it's common practice to give first 11 a couple of days of rest. The settings merely automate this process so I don't have to do it all the time.
Not saying it's necessarily the best, but I like the simplicity of it and how it reduces the amount of things I have to handle or pay attention to. Expand
This makes sense because they gain their best development by playing matches, and that auto rest means trhey will play every game barring injury. I'm going to try running ZAZ schedule with that on my u21 and u18 this season, whilst putting the auto rest on. Not going to touch my first team yet until I'm more confident.
Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development. Expand
There are a few facts that should be said. If you put those four points together, you will see why I prefer to use that setting.
1. Most injuries on training come from players under excellent condition, which is why routines usually have rest for everyone after matches. Injured players do not develop.
2. There is no reason to give sub-optimal training for the entire team just because 30% of the squad is tired after matches. That is harmful especially for the youngsters that do not play regularly.
3. Playing competitive matches is more important for development than training, so it is better to rest players to play more often than to force them to train while tired.
4. Resting players manually is one of the most boring tasks of FM, second only to praising and warning to manage morale. Automatizing this process allows you to enjoy the game more.
Keep in mind that it is still not the optimal setting. If you want to increase growth further, you can use the glitch to have more than two Match Practices per week. If you want to micromanage, you can also set young players with low susceptibility to injuries to train on double intensity, especially those that did not participate in matches.
Regarding loaning players out. They buffed devlopment for players loaned out to inactive leagues. And when it was last tested, 2-3 patched back but nothing in the recent patch notes to say its changed, the devlopment was significantly better than loaning out to teams in active leagues.
So for example if you dont have the Swiss, Austrian or Greek leagues active and one of their bigger clubs wants to loan your player this will be better than a team in an active league. Im sure there are some exceptions but this in general is better. I have used this method with the leagues I've mentioned along with Scandanavia and S Korea
keithb said: Regarding loaning players out. They buffed devlopment for players loaned out to inactive leagues. And when it was last tested, 2-3 patched back but nothing in the recent patch notes to say its changed, the devlopment was significantly better than loaning out to teams in active leagues.
So for example if you dont have the Swiss, Austrian or Greek leagues active and one of their bigger clubs wants to loan your player this will be better than a team in an active league. Im sure there are some exceptions but this in general is better. I have used this method with the leagues I've mentioned along with Scandanavia and S Korea Expand
That's heavily assuming the loaded and non-loaded leagues are of same quality, which in most cases are not. The difference may be significant but not huge anyway. There are a lot of other factors I'd look for to choose the right loan before the loaded/not loaded "tiebreaker".
Yarema said: That's heavily assuming the loaded and non-loaded leagues are of same quality, which in most cases are not. The difference may be significant but not huge anyway. There are a lot of other factors I'd look for to choose the right loan before the loaded/not loaded "tiebreaker". Expand
Hi guys,
I know Mark and ZAZ did some testing for last year, but it wondered what the general consensus was regarding training schedules this year? I've been running RDF and it seemed to be going well with the seniors but the u23 and u18 I'm not too sure.
What is a good level of CA increase per season and I've noticed that CA rises occur before january and then not a lot afterwards. What are you guys running? Does having every non-gk on quickness training actually have a negative impact?
I'd love to know any really good sessions for CA rising for my u-23 team, which is where my best youth play for a year before a loan.
@Chriswin4, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2671-player-development-and-training/
Lapidus said: @Chriswin4, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2671-player-development-and-training/
Thanks man, I read through that last night, I wasn't sure if it was still up to date though. FM23 might have seen some new developments.
It also doesn't mention the best training schedules
Chriswin4 said: It also doesn't mention the best training schedules
Have a look at Max on the Evidence Based Football Manager on Youtube. He covers all this off
Mark said: Have a look at Max on the Evidence Based Football Manager on Youtube. He covers all this off
So you guys use his training schedule from his last video?
I think most of the schedules out there do a similar job. My personal preference is the ZaZ concept, saves me time since I don't have to manually rest players in fixture congestion. And there is no dilemma which sessions to skip when you have less slots available in a week because of matches or travel.
Yarema said: I think most of the schedules out there do a similar job. My personal preference is the ZaZ concept, saves me time since I don't have to manually rest players in fixture congestion. And there is no dilemma which sessions to skip when you have less slots available in a week because of matches or travel.
I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development.
Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development.
you won't develop your players by trainings only, it's crucial for them to actually play competitive
and resting schedule just helps them to not get overloaded and stay fresh
opq said: you won't develop your players by trainings only, it's crucial for them to actually play competitive
and resting schedule just helps them to not get overloaded and stay fresh
Do u-23 games count as competitive
Chriswin4 said: Do u-23 games count as competitive
if players didn't break in your main squad yet, then better loan them out for some team with appropriate training facilities and Important player as suggested game time
Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development.
On the other hand anyone that didn't play in a match is training fully the next day, most other schedules have some recovery or rest the day after for the whole squad not only those that played. Also in fixture congestion it's common practice to give first 11 a couple of days of rest. The settings merely automate this process so I don't have to do it all the time.
Not saying it's necessarily the best, but I like the simplicity of it and how it reduces the amount of things I have to handle or pay attention to.
Yarema said: On the other hand anyone that didn't play in a match is training fully the next day, most other schedules have some recovery or rest the day after for the whole squad not only those that played. Also in fixture congestion it's common practice to give first 11 a couple of days of rest. The settings merely automate this process so I don't have to do it all the time.
Not saying it's necessarily the best, but I like the simplicity of it and how it reduces the amount of things I have to handle or pay attention to.
This makes sense because they gain their best development by playing matches, and that auto rest means trhey will play every game barring injury. I'm going to try running ZAZ schedule with that on my u21 and u18 this season, whilst putting the auto rest on. Not going to touch my first team yet until I'm more confident.
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Chriswin4 said: I don't fully trust the system ZAZ uses though, where he puts training intensity on none aside from the full green heart. Surely that limits development.
There are a few facts that should be said. If you put those four points together, you will see why I prefer to use that setting.
1. Most injuries on training come from players under excellent condition, which is why routines usually have rest for everyone after matches. Injured players do not develop.
2. There is no reason to give sub-optimal training for the entire team just because 30% of the squad is tired after matches. That is harmful especially for the youngsters that do not play regularly.
3. Playing competitive matches is more important for development than training, so it is better to rest players to play more often than to force them to train while tired.
4. Resting players manually is one of the most boring tasks of FM, second only to praising and warning to manage morale. Automatizing this process allows you to enjoy the game more.
Keep in mind that it is still not the optimal setting. If you want to increase growth further, you can use the glitch to have more than two Match Practices per week. If you want to micromanage, you can also set young players with low susceptibility to injuries to train on double intensity, especially those that did not participate in matches.
Regarding loaning players out. They buffed devlopment for players loaned out to inactive leagues. And when it was last tested, 2-3 patched back but nothing in the recent patch notes to say its changed, the devlopment was significantly better than loaning out to teams in active leagues.
So for example if you dont have the Swiss, Austrian or Greek leagues active and one of their bigger clubs wants to loan your player this will be better than a team in an active league. Im sure there are some exceptions but this in general is better. I have used this method with the leagues I've mentioned along with Scandanavia and S Korea
keithb said: Regarding loaning players out. They buffed devlopment for players loaned out to inactive leagues. And when it was last tested, 2-3 patched back but nothing in the recent patch notes to say its changed, the devlopment was significantly better than loaning out to teams in active leagues.
So for example if you dont have the Swiss, Austrian or Greek leagues active and one of their bigger clubs wants to loan your player this will be better than a team in an active league. Im sure there are some exceptions but this in general is better. I have used this method with the leagues I've mentioned along with Scandanavia and S Korea
That's heavily assuming the loaded and non-loaded leagues are of same quality, which in most cases are not. The difference may be significant but not huge anyway. There are a lot of other factors I'd look for to choose the right loan before the loaded/not loaded "tiebreaker".
Yarema said: That's heavily assuming the loaded and non-loaded leagues are of same quality, which in most cases are not. The difference may be significant but not huge anyway. There are a lot of other factors I'd look for to choose the right loan before the loaded/not loaded "tiebreaker".
What's empirical data ever done for us eh!