kireby said: Blue 2.0, buddy :) And yes, it's very consistent. Even if we don't win, we  have 1,3+ xG when opposition have below 1 xG. And in these cases i blame either weak defense/GK or attack. But i met this kind of cases only in few games like game vs Akhmat. Even vs Spartak we had 1.5 xG or smth like this when they had 0.8 xG

It can't be helped. I like to play in lower leagues, like the last division from Sweden, England or Brazil, then bring a semi-amateur team to the elite. The players are usually in the level of grey players, with the star from the team having a couple of 11 or 12. It really hurts to see how many goals they lose for being incompetent. If you run this with the likes of Liverpool, I doubt you can make less than 3 goals per match and not get over 100 points in the league, as well as winning all cups. Gonna run a couple of holiday tests with Liverpool just to show the results.

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ZaZ said: It can't be helped. I like to play in lower leagues, like the last division from Sweden, England or Brazil, then bring a semi-amateur team to the elite. The players are usually in the level of grey players, with the star from the team having a couple of 11 or 12. It really hurts to see how many goals they lose for being incompetent. If you run this with the likes of Liverpool, I doubt you can make less than 3 goals per match and not get over 100 points in the league, as well as winning all cups. Gonna run a couple of holiday tests with Liverpool just to show the results.

Yes, i like the same way as you do. Next season i will try to upgrade my team at least to stay alive in UCL somehow :D I will share results at middle of the season

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My team just got promoted to the elite from Sweden and finally became professional. I can finally pay more than minimum wage to my players, since I have a rule to never spend more money than I received in the previous year, including staff, so I never go negative on finances.

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I can't even buy a real player, i think i have a phychological issue as i want to develop players only. Sold my grown player to Spartak Moscow for 20 millions (which idiot bought him??). Now he costs only 4 million after 2 seasons and played only 7 games. I think i can try to buy him once again and maybe sell after 1 successful season again

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kireby said: I can't even buy a real player, i think i have a phychological issue as i want to develop players only. Sold my grown player to Spartak Moscow for 20 millions (which idiot bought him??). Now he costs only 4 million after 2 seasons and played only 7 games. I think i can try to buy him once again and maybe sell after 1 successful season again

My team in real life does that all time, buying bad players for high price then reselling cheap a couple of seasons later. Football Manager mimics real life.

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ZaZ said: My team in real life does that all time, buying bad players for high price then reselling cheap a couple of seasons later. Football Manager mimics real life.

Yeah, FM is so real

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@ZaZ You are a Boss:cool:

I used your tactic on a test with Leicester, 1st season 6th 1 loss but many draws but won Carabao cup and Euro cup

Next season made the right cheap transfers finished 1st prem, semi-final in champions league, won fa cup, won carabao cup, and won super cup

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OpticFawn said: @ZaZ You are a Boss:cool:

I used your tactic on a test with Leicester, 1st season 6th 1 loss but many draws but won Carabao cup and Euro cup

Next season made the right cheap transfers finished 1st prem, semi-final in champions league, won fa cup, won carabao cup, and won super cup


Next season you will win UCL!

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ZaZ said: Next season you will win UCL!

Hopefully!!

You should get this tested, thanks a lot.

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Holiday test with Nantes (pred. 12th). AM takes training, asked to use current squad.
And once again, @ZaZ, well done, thanks!

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kireby said: Holiday test with Nantes (pred. 12th). AM takes training, asked to use current squad.
And once again, @ZaZ, well done, thanks!


Thank you for the tests! Let me know how your UCL unfolds.

OpticFawn said: Hopefully!!

You should get this tested, thanks a lot.


Not up to me. They will only test if people assert them this is an improvement over Blue, else they will think it's too similar to test. I think they should allow testing new versions of good tactics, even if they limited to once a week or less, so we can try small optimizations.

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ZaZ said: Thank you for the tests! Let me know how your UCL unfolds.

I had an offensive draw vs Brondby which didn't allow me to made in Round of 16 in UCL :(
Won Porto and Brondby and 2 draws with Chelsea and Brondby.
Also, 1 lost match vs Rostov left me without invincible status in first half of the season and again, they had 0.5 xG while we had 1.4 xG so it's a bit of FM in that match.
Forgot to mention, we 7th pred.

It's interesting to see how team will play without Riquelme because he's a beast in my save. I signed him free from Atletico B, this summer many EPL clubs wanted to sign him and were ready to pay 15 millions for him, but he rejected them all

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kireby said: I had an offensive draw vs Brondby which didn't allow me to made in Round of 16 in UCL :(
Won Porto and Brondby and 2 draws with Chelsea and Brondby.
Also, 1 lost match vs Rostov left me without invincible status in first half of the season and again, they had 0.5 xG while we had 1.4 xG so it's a bit of FM in that match.
Forgot to mention, we 7th pred.

It's interesting to see how team will play without Riquelme because he's a beast in my save. I signed him free from Atletico B, this summer many EPL clubs wanted to sign him and were ready to pay 15 millions for him, but he rejected them all


Can't be helped. Your team has a budget 100 times smaller than most teams from UCL and you are developing youth, which takes time. To be honest, can't imagine even the best russian team succeeding in a group with Chelsea and Porto. Keep improving and it will come.

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ZaZ said: Can't be helped. Your team has a budget 100 times smaller than most teams from UCL and you are developing youth, which takes time. To be honest, can't imagine even the best russian team succeeding in a group with Chelsea and Porto. Keep improving and it will come.

Yeah, that's true and i understand that we must to develop. Now i'm trying to buy all available prospective youngsters and i'm sure next season we make in Round of 16

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I have another shocking holiday test (at least for me).
Elche - 20th pred. took 4th place. There was a big losing streak during March-April (7 matches lost including Real, Barca and Valencia).

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kireby said: I have another shocking holiday test (at least for me).
Elche - 20th pred. took 4th place. There was a big losing streak during March-April (7 matches lost including Real, Barca and Valencia).


If Atlético finished behind Elche in real life, we would finally see Simeone losing his job.

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ZaZ said: If Atlético finished behind Elche in real life, we would finally see Simeone losing his job.
Haha, i think he manages them his whole life

First of all, i'm sorry, if i reply so much here, but i hope that i help some people here.
I haven't seen so equal stats before, Dinamo is a powerful team in Russia 7 years later

Look at this Cup Final match.. what a penalty shootout we had

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kireby said: Haha, i think he manages them his whole life

First of all, i'm sorry, if i reply so much here, but i hope that i help some people here.
I haven't seen so equal stats before, Dinamo is a powerful team in Russia 7 years later

Look at this Cup Final match.. what a penalty shootout we had


It's fine, it's nice to see you becoming a force in Russia despite having weak players and low budget. Too bad tactics alone isn't enough to win against Liverpool, Barcelona and Bayern Munich yet.

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ZaZ said: It's fine, it's nice to see you becoming a force in Russia despite having weak players and low budget. Too bad tactics alone isn't enough to win against Liverpool, Barcelona and Bayern Munich yet.

My results for last season. I think we became a force in Russia, even dominant i would say. Now, my goal is to become a force in Europe. I wonder if we ever could win UCL.
Next season i have to prepare my squad for new players incoming, so i must say goodbye to Sessegnon, Demjanov, Zainutdinov and Rosier. I would like to sell Ndongo and Riquelme also but they don't want to left us.

I also expect Matvey Safonov help us next season. He is a prospective goalkeeper IRL (i hope he'll be signed this summer) and now he is adult and experienced goalkeeper in FM. We bought him at winter but he got injured for 4 months and we left with 19 y.o. keeper.

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kireby said: My results for last season. I think we became a force in Russia, even dominant i would say. Now, my goal is to become a force in Europe. I wonder if we ever could win UCL.
Next season i have to prepare my squad for new players incoming, so i must say goodbye to Sessegnon, Demjanov, Zainutdinov and Rosier. I would like to sell Ndongo and Riquelme also but they don't want to left us.

I also expect Matvey Safonov help us next season. He is a prospective goalkeeper IRL (i hope he'll be signed this summer) and now he is adult and experienced goalkeeper in FM. We bought him at winter but he got injured for 4 months and we left with 19 y.o. keeper.


Is that the team you support? Since I never heard of Baltika, I assume it's from a lower division. It's really satisfying to become an elite team coming from below.

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ZaZ said: Is that the team you support? Since I never heard of Baltika, I assume it's from a lower division. It's really satisfying to become an elite team coming from below.

Yes, it's my local team :) Came from FNL (2nd division of Russia by force) Not lowest division but i can watch them playing in euro cups only in FM

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Just remember to upgrade your youth facilities, increase youth coaching and get a good head of youth development, to make sure your youth players are the best. That plus hiring the promising youth from other teams is what makes a team become a force in development, as well as top training facilities and coaching staff.

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ZaZ said: Just remember to upgrade your youth facilities, increase youth coaching and get a good head of youth development, to make sure your youth players are the best. That plus hiring the promising youth from other teams is what makes a team become a force in development, as well as top training facilities and coaching staff.

Yes, thank you, we already almost the best in Russia in all areas. What about your save? Or you don't play that much?

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kireby said: Yes, thank you, we already almost the best in Russia in all areas. What about your save? Or you don't play that much?

Started with the worst team in Sweden, predicted last in the lowest division and worst facilities, including a 500 people stadium. Got promoted to the elite and finally became professional. I thought I would need to stay two years in the second division, but managed to get promoted in the playoffs. Now I want to win the Allsvenskan (first division) before moving to the lowest division of Brazil.

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ZaZ said: Started with the worst team in Sweden, predicted last in the lowest division and worst facilities, including a 500 people stadium. Got promoted to the elite and finally became professional. I thought I would need to stay two years in the second division, but managed to get promoted in the playoffs. Now I want to win the Allsvenskan (first division) before moving to the lowest division of Brazil.

Ah, nice save too, i think you could win it in 3 years max

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kireby said: Ah, nice save too, i think you could win it in 3 years max

This is the best player in my team. He has been with me since the lowest division, but now he won't renew because my team is not good enough.

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ZaZ said: This is the best player in my team. He has been with me since the lowest division, but now he won't renew because my team is not good enough.



Wow, your difficulties can't compare with mine. This is your Vardy or Andy King. Really strange behavior. We got in the group with Real M and Chelsea again and we won Real 1-0 and lost them 0-1. I must to say i hate EPL teams, they are so rich and powerful

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Hi, nice tactic, do you changes anything according to situation in match ? or before match according to opponent ?

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dv10 said: Hi, nice tactic, do you changes anything according to situation in match ? or before match according to opponent ?

I usually usually switch from Blue 2.0 to Red 2.0 if opponent is vulnerable through the flanks. Other than that, I always train Attacking Movement, Defensive Movement and Teamwork, since they also help your team play better during the next match. If I really need a result, I also run Set Piece Delivery, Attacking Corner and Attacking Free Kicks. Other than that, I also add some trainings for happiness, like Match Practice and Team Bonding, and some Recovery to avoid injuries.

I don't do much else, but you probably can make some optimizations with opponent instructions, which I usually just ignore.

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@ZaZ I have started with St Albans predicted 16th Vanarama South. Halfway through the season with ZaZ Blue 2.0 and on top with 17-2-1 record. Really havent been able to get players I want for the roles in Zaz Blue. Thinking of changing maybe 3 of the positional roles to better to suit the squad but keeping structure and leaving positional instructions as close as I can. What do you think? And loving your tactics by the way.

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