On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4 W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6 CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6 FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1 DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7 GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58 ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4 W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6 CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6 FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1 DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7 GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58 ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
It was tested with Nothing, Half, Normal, Normal, Normal. But I play with Zaz's rest schedule of no training until full heart. Tbh, I think it's up to you and your risk tolerance. Your players will still get major injuries even on the lowest possible settings.
Kamas1 said: Hi How you rest players while using this schedule? Expand
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4 W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6 CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6 FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1 DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7 GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58 ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
doru228 said: @Han106 i get complains over the atacking unit not getting enough attention. Maybe adjustig that would get the grow in ST ? Expand
@Han106 I have tweaked it for the first team, i get no more complains, if you fancy having a look and please test it to see how close it gets to the other training schedules.
doru228 said: @Han106 I have tweaked it for the first team, i get no more complains, if you fancy having a look and please test it to see how close it gets to the other training schedules. Expand
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4 W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6 CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6 FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1 DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7 GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58 ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
I have a question about your schedule. I saw it reduces the team cohesion and in a long term, it will be terrible, right? Does it affect or can affect games (like to be worse or something like that).
I have a question about your schedule. I saw it reduces the team cohesion and in a long term, it will be terrible, right? Does it affect or can affect games (like to be worse or something like that).
Good work! Thanks a lot. Expand
I believe there are a couple of things that haven't been studied.
1. How is Team Cohesion acquired? Is it just through time spent with a team? Because it still grows throughout a year regardless.
2. How important is Team Cohesion for a team's performance? Because most players using the meta tactics will find that they are overperforming anyways.
Regardless, my focus is towards the growth of attributes towards weights that I created for the top tactic. Because if you have the better players, that is better than any in Football Manager.
So according to the tests there is no best training at least to this point. Game Time is king. Every schedule here has its own benefits but they perform almost the same.
Just wanted to thank you for taking the lead with this research.
I'll start using your schedule in my save and will let you know how things develop.
I'm playing in DarthFurion's World Super League, so there are two matches per week. I'll adjust accordingly.
Chances are that it's not going to be too far off EBFM's schedule in the end, though. I agree that game time is king — and I think Max (EBFM) said that in one of his videos.
On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4
W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6
CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6
FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1
DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7
GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58
ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1m_r3Khn0YCMDi3dogwsYy1OggAuAdzd1?usp=sharing is link where I will put Tested Files.
RDF General Testing.
Top 2 of each position
AMC 64.8/63.7
W 64.6/63.8
CB 62.9/62.8
DM 62.3/61.9
FB 63/62.8
GK 57.9/57.4
ST 65.6/65 <- Winner
Other than a win in ST, the rest of the positions seem to fall behind EBFM/MAW. I don't think it's a sample size problem in this case.
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4
W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6
CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6
FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1
DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7
GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58
ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1m_r3Khn0YCMDi3dogwsYy1OggAuAdzd1?usp=sharing is link where I will put Tested Files.
Hi
How you rest players while using this schedule?
It was tested with Nothing, Half, Normal, Normal, Normal. But I play with Zaz's rest schedule of no training until full heart. Tbh, I think it's up to you and your risk tolerance. Your players will still get major injuries even on the lowest possible settings.
Kamas1 said: Hi
How you rest players while using this schedule?
Can you test against Cadoni training.
https://fccadoni.medium.com/football-manager-2024-training-6cb30d32c9cd
I haven't been keeping up with this but has the ZaZ schedule been tested? If so, what is the effect of match practice sessions
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4
W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6
CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6
FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1
DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7
GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58
ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1m_r3Khn0YCMDi3dogwsYy1OggAuAdzd1?usp=sharing is link where I will put Tested Files.
@Han106
i get complains over the atacking unit not getting enough attention.
Maybe adjustig that would get the grow in ST ?
doru228 said: @Han106
i get complains over the atacking unit not getting enough attention.
Maybe adjustig that would get the grow in ST ?
@Han106 I have tweaked it for the first team, i get no more complains, if you fancy having a look and please test it to see how close it gets to the other training schedules.
Test 4: Cadoni
On average MAW v1 wins out but in terms of positions he has won 3 of 7 which is the most.
EBFM moves to 3rd as Cadoni gets 2nd with his schedule.
I'm testing the Doru Tweak now.
Bafici said: Can you test against Cadoni training.
https://fccadoni.medium.com/football-manager-2024-training-6cb30d32c9cd
Test 5: MAW V1 Doru Tweak(4th Place)
doru228 said: @Han106 I have tweaked it for the first team, i get no more complains, if you fancy having a look and please test it to see how close it gets to the other training schedules.
Han106 said: On the left is the EBFM Training Schedule and on the right is my training schedule that I made for myself but in testing actually performed well compared to the EBFM schedule. This is 2 tests each of 4 teams so 8-16 players of sample size of each position. I compare the results below.
This is the 2 test results of MAW. All data is formatted in Alphabetical Position order(So AMC, AML/AMR, DCL/DCR, DR, DMC/DM, DL, GK, ST) because that's the best that FM Genie scout can do.
This is the 2 test results of EBFM.
Taking the Top 2 of each position and Clear winners. The Left side is MAW and Right side is EBFM.
AM(MAW) 66.6/65.9 vs 65.8/65.4
W(MAW) 65.6/64.6 vs 64.6/64.6
CB(MAW) 64/63.7 vs 63.7/63.6
FB(TIE) 63.5/63.4 vs 63.7/63.1
DM(TIE) 62.8/62.8 vs 63.2 vs 62.7
GK(EBFM) 58.1/57.9 vs 58.4/58
ST(TIE) 65.1/65 vs 65.1/64.1
This is the training schedule.
For the test file, matches are on Saturdays. I placed the foundational 11 on the left and the Defending Wides afterwards.
I will test other trainings either suggested, or increase sample size. I'm currently testing RDF Gengenpress Sat and General. I managed to at least catch up to EBFM's schedule. Depending on sample size, maybe his or mine win.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1m_r3Khn0YCMDi3dogwsYy1OggAuAdzd1?usp=sharing is link where I will put Tested Files.
Hey Han, how you doing?
I have a question about your schedule. I saw it reduces the team cohesion and in a long term, it will be terrible, right? Does it affect or can affect games (like to be worse or something like that).
Good work! Thanks a lot.
dodge said: Hey Han, how you doing?
I have a question about your schedule. I saw it reduces the team cohesion and in a long term, it will be terrible, right? Does it affect or can affect games (like to be worse or something like that).
Good work! Thanks a lot.
I believe there are a couple of things that haven't been studied.
1. How is Team Cohesion acquired? Is it just through time spent with a team? Because it still grows throughout a year regardless.
2. How important is Team Cohesion for a team's performance? Because most players using the meta tactics will find that they are overperforming anyways.
Regardless, my focus is towards the growth of attributes towards weights that I created for the top tactic. Because if you have the better players, that is better than any in Football Manager.
Thanks for your response!
This will get its own post whenever I'm done with the first part, but I've decided to try to preliminary rounds of Session Testing.
Progress will be slower on the weekdays, but I hope to get the first part out on Thursday/Friday.
So according to the tests there is no best training at least to this point. Game Time is king. Every schedule here has its own benefits but they perform almost the same.
Just wanted to thank you for taking the lead with this research.
I'll start using your schedule in my save and will let you know how things develop.
I'm playing in DarthFurion's World Super League, so there are two matches per week. I'll adjust accordingly.
Chances are that it's not going to be too far off EBFM's schedule in the end, though. I agree that game time is king — and I think Max (EBFM) said that in one of his videos.