"The Winter Patch" just dropped and as you may already know it doesn't have any M.E. changes.
Anyway, we have updated our tactic testing league and soon we'll start retesting tactics on the updated DB.
We implemented some tweaks to the tactic testing league that greatly reduce the RNG in the league, these tweaks reduce the RNG about 2 times. Also, we made slight tweaking to the players' attributes and AI managers' tactical settings.
Soon, after our testing algorithm finishes retesting the tactics from the "Hall of Fame" under the new DB, you can manually request retesting your tactic under the new DB.
Please note, that the "retesting requests" share the same cooldown with the regular tactic sharing so per 24 hours you can only make 2 retesting request or share 2 new tactics or a combination of both.
Will you still be testing the tactics that were submitted in the last 24 hours? will these be tested after the Hall of Fame tactics?
Thanks Expand
The priority will be given to the tactics from the HOF, probably, not all of them will be retested from the start but obviously, a bunch of top tactics from the top of HOF should be retested at first then next, probably, a mix of newly uploaded tactics and retesting requests.
Wow, some massive points boost for a few tactics there...I know there haven't been any ME changes but I wonder if balanced/positive mentality has received some sort of hidden boost
CBP87 said: Wow, some massive points boost for a few tactics there...I know there haven't been any ME changes but I wonder if balanced/positive mentality has received some sort of hidden boost
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Probably these boosts are due to attributes changes in the database’s players, I think there’s anything about 24.3.0 patch
Gianaa9 said: Probably these boosts are due to attributes changes in the database’s players, I think there’s anything about 24.3.0 patch Expand
I would assume the attribute changes would be generic across all roles, so maybe 13 across the board for all attributes rather than certain increases in certain attributes which would benefit certain roles
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results).
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results). Expand
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results). Expand
First of all, thank you for your hard work. However, I don't think RNG is any different, this can be seen by the upper and lower limits of the score presented, still generally between 2 and 3, while the more difficult score and the number of tests also offset each other's bonus. There were also nearly identical tactical test results, such as the Problem Solvin V18 and the 424 Classic CBP87 v1.8. RNG is closely related to the number of test venues, and the effectiveness of these three tactical test reforms is only regressive in terms of RNG. I think the accuracy of the test results still needs more test matches to improve, and the tactics with higher scores need to unify the test matches, whether it is 4800 or 9600. Even that doesn't really tell the difference between two nearly identical tactics.
Results will be the same regardless of the difficulty and I think every time we (re)test them we will have a different "winner" because all the tactics are close.
Just wondering if FM-Arena introduces the 4222 and 5221 formations to the AI teams to see if there is any change in the results.
A Smile said: First of all, thank you for your hard work. However, I don't think RNG is any different, this can be seen by the upper and lower limits of the score presented, still generally between 2 and 3, while the more difficult score and the number of tests also offset each other's bonus. There were also nearly identical tactical test results, such as the Problem Solvin V18 and the 424 Classic CBP87 v1.8. RNG is closely related to the number of test venues, and the effectiveness of these three tactical test reforms is only regressive in terms of RNG. I think the accuracy of the test results still needs more test matches to improve, and the tactics with higher scores need to unify the test matches, whether it is 4800 or 9600. Even that doesn't really tell the difference between two nearly identical tactics. Expand
Perhaps they haven't updated the upper and lower limits yet. I doubt they would've restarted if the RNG wasn't actually reduced by the new testing league.
dzek said: Results will be the same regardless of the difficulty and I think every time we (re)test them we will have a different "winner" because all the tactics are close.
Just wondering if FM-Arena introduces the 4222 and 5221 formations to the AI teams to see if there is any change in the results. Expand
I'm not sure if results would be the same regardless of difficulty. Are some tactics not better against harder teams than they are against weaker teams, relative to other tactics?
Cherknam said: I'm not sure if results would be the same regardless of difficulty. Are some tactics not better against harder teams than they are against weaker teams, relative to other tactics? Expand When I say the same, I don't mean exactly the same. Of course the scores will drop but they will be more or less the same. That is my opinion and it just remains to be seen. Maybe I am wrong and there is no problem.
As for the other tactics I am suggesting I would like to see at least one test including these two tactics. I may be wrong again. There is no problem at all.
Hi,
"The Winter Patch" just dropped and as you may already know it doesn't have any M.E. changes.
Anyway, we have updated our tactic testing league and soon we'll start retesting tactics on the updated DB.
We implemented some tweaks to the tactic testing league that greatly reduce the RNG in the league, these tweaks reduce the RNG about 2 times. Also, we made slight tweaking to the players' attributes and AI managers' tactical settings.
Soon, after our testing algorithm finishes retesting the tactics from the "Hall of Fame" under the new DB, you can manually request retesting your tactic under the new DB.
Please note, that the "retesting requests" share the same cooldown with the regular tactic sharing so per 24 hours you can only make 2 retesting request or share 2 new tactics or a combination of both.
Cheers.
Thanks @Zippo
Will you still be testing the tactics that were submitted in the last 24 hours? will these be tested after the Hall of Fame tactics?
Thanks
CBP87 said: Thanks @Zippo
Will you still be testing the tactics that were submitted in the last 24 hours? will these be tested after the Hall of Fame tactics?
Thanks
The priority will be given to the tactics from the HOF, probably, not all of them will be retested from the start but obviously, a bunch of top tactics from the top of HOF should be retested at first then next, probably, a mix of newly uploaded tactics and retesting requests.
Now, we just wait until FMRTE gets updated.
Wow, some massive points boost for a few tactics there...I know there haven't been any ME changes but I wonder if balanced/positive mentality has received some sort of hidden boost
CBP87 said: Wow, some massive points boost for a few tactics there...I know there haven't been any ME changes but I wonder if balanced/positive mentality has received some sort of hidden boost
Probably these boosts are due to attributes changes in the database’s players, I think there’s anything about 24.3.0 patch
Gianaa9 said: Probably these boosts are due to attributes changes in the database’s players, I think there’s anything about 24.3.0 patch
I would assume the attribute changes would be generic across all roles, so maybe 13 across the board for all attributes rather than certain increases in certain attributes which would benefit certain roles
Gianaa9 said: Probably these boosts are due to attributes changes in the database’s players, I think there’s anything about 24.3.0 patch
It's the power of RNG. 2,400 matches give enough room for such increases.
Meriten said: It's the power of RNG. 2,400 matches give enough room for such increases.
Barely, and unlikely. Some differences are huge.
what changed in new database?
smigler said: what changed in new database?
Hi,
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results).
Zippo said: Hi,
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results).
Thanks for your hard work on this.
Zippo said: Hi,
We've updated the testing league and made changes that increase the difficulty in the league and reduce the RNG(improving the accuracy of the results).
First of all, thank you for your hard work. However, I don't think RNG is any different, this can be seen by the upper and lower limits of the score presented, still generally between 2 and 3, while the more difficult score and the number of tests also offset each other's bonus. There were also nearly identical tactical test results, such as the Problem Solvin V18 and the 424 Classic CBP87 v1.8.
RNG is closely related to the number of test venues, and the effectiveness of these three tactical test reforms is only regressive in terms of RNG. I think the accuracy of the test results still needs more test matches to improve, and the tactics with higher scores need to unify the test matches, whether it is 4800 or 9600. Even that doesn't really tell the difference between two nearly identical tactics.
Results will be the same regardless of the difficulty and I think every time we (re)test them we will have a different "winner" because all the tactics are close.
Just wondering if FM-Arena introduces the 4222 and 5221 formations to the AI teams to see if there is any change in the results.
A Smile said: First of all, thank you for your hard work. However, I don't think RNG is any different, this can be seen by the upper and lower limits of the score presented, still generally between 2 and 3, while the more difficult score and the number of tests also offset each other's bonus. There were also nearly identical tactical test results, such as the Problem Solvin V18 and the 424 Classic CBP87 v1.8.
RNG is closely related to the number of test venues, and the effectiveness of these three tactical test reforms is only regressive in terms of RNG. I think the accuracy of the test results still needs more test matches to improve, and the tactics with higher scores need to unify the test matches, whether it is 4800 or 9600. Even that doesn't really tell the difference between two nearly identical tactics.
Perhaps they haven't updated the upper and lower limits yet. I doubt they would've restarted if the RNG wasn't actually reduced by the new testing league.
dzek said: Results will be the same regardless of the difficulty and I think every time we (re)test them we will have a different "winner" because all the tactics are close.
Just wondering if FM-Arena introduces the 4222 and 5221 formations to the AI teams to see if there is any change in the results.
I'm not sure if results would be the same regardless of difficulty. Are some tactics not better against harder teams than they are against weaker teams, relative to other tactics?
Cherknam said: I'm not sure if results would be the same regardless of difficulty. Are some tactics not better against harder teams than they are against weaker teams, relative to other tactics?
When I say the same, I don't mean exactly the same. Of course the scores will drop but they will be more or less the same. That is my opinion and it just remains to be seen. Maybe I am wrong and there is no problem.
As for the other tactics I am suggesting I would like to see at least one test including these two tactics. I may be wrong again. There is no problem at all.