Mongoose Rejuvenated

Hello,

I would like to share a tactic that I've been working on a for a few weeks, tweaking here there and everywhere. I wanted to replicate the Mongoose shape from FM21, a 41212. I feel I'm at a point with it now where I can share the results and tactic with you.



As always I tested with numerous teams, Liverpool, Villa, PSG and Swansea. I leave training and team selection to AM and holiday until the end of the season. 1st transfer window disabled and Director of football was in charge of transfers.

Below are the results from holiday testing.

Villa
Quite a strong season with Villa, predicted 8th but finished 4th resulting in champions league qualification. Danny Ings top scored with 27 goals.


Liverpool
Liverpool predicted 2nd, won the league along with the champions league and Carabao Cup, losing the FA Cup in the final. Mo Salah top scored with 80 goals!! Yes 80!!!


PSG
PSG predicted 1st, finished 1st. Undefeated in the league. Won everything that PSG took part in. Mbappe top scored with 57 goals


Swansea
Swansea are predicted 10th, won the championship, admittedly not as comfortable as I would've wanted but a wins a win. Obafemi top scored with 35 goals

I've also been using it on my Salzburg to Leipzig save and I won the the treble in my first season, knocked out of CL but had the group of death with PSG, Man City and Milan, but still managed to finish 3rd securing me a Europa League place, I then went on to win the Europa League. My players won quite a few accolades over the season, Wober won best player in Euro Cup and best Austrian player. Adeyami was injured for quite a few months but still managed to finish top scorer. (Sesko and Simic are beasts by the way).

I've made a tweak to original, as daft as it might sound I wanted to tighten it up a bit more at the back, so I went with an attacking mentality, added tackle harder to the fullbacks and DLP. I've only tested with PSG for now but when comparing the stats on the few runs I did, the defence is is conceding less whilst scoring has become more clinical, less shots but more goals




I will test this version with the other teams I use for testing and will post the results when done

Sounds interesting ... would it then be advised to use the Positive mentality tactic on away/hard games? Playing with an underdog

LaXatiif said: Sounds interesting ... would it then be advised to use the Positive mentality tactic on away/hard games? Playing with an underdog Expand

I've had more success with just sticking with the attacking version to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I've lost games but I don't think changing the mentality from attacking to positive will change the outcome of the game. I've also beaten some big teams away from home, the Villa test, I beat Liverpool and Chelsea away from home and drew with Man United and City away too

Tweaked this tactic once again (Sorry). Took some inspiration from some of the tactics that sit at the top of the table.

I have increased mentality to very attacking
DW > W on attack duty
with the additional attacking duties the fluidity is not structured
removed work ball into box and force opp outside


As always holiday tested the tweaks, AM in charge of team selection and training. NO EDITORS USED!

Fulham



Fulham are predicted 1st and we finished 1st, won the league quite comfortably, scored the most goals  with 139 goals and conceding less than 1 per game.

Villa


Villa predicted 8th, finished 3rd on 81 points scoring 120 goals in the league, bookings were also quite high particular for both FBs who got 14 yellows each. Some of the results achieved were astonishing, beat Chelsea 6 - 0, United and Liverpool 5 - 1 (Although away from home, they had our pants down) but hopefully you'll be able to see some of the brilliant results in the screenshots

PSG


PSG predicted 1st, won the treble, narrowly missing out on the CL. 174 goals scored in the league with only 26 conceded. Some crazy results again and on a few occasions came close to double figures in a league game.

Overall, I think this is a very good tactic which will get you lots of goals, you will lose the possession battle as tactic is setup to get the ball up top as quickly as possible

I uploaded the wrong tactic for VA, I have amended it to the right tactic

Seeing as it looks like positive mentality is becoming strong again, I've tweaked Mongoose from FM21. As always, holiday tested with AM in charge of general training and team selection. NO EDITORS USED

Main tweaks -

IWB to attacking duty
DLP to DM
Removed work ball into box

smaller tweaks are more around PIs



Villa finished 3rd


PSG won everything, look at those player ratings

CBP87 said: Expand

Is that Chinese - Custom Tactical Style ?

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is there something we don't know about you, Mr. Jackie Chan?

Chewbacca said: is there something we don't know about you, Mr. Jackie Chan?

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thanks for testing. Chuffed with that

Mongoose Rejuvenated with Celta Vigo, predicted 10th, finished 2nd. Have to be honest though, La Liga is a strange old league this year, seems like all the big guns are underperforming (points wise)

Hello, i wanna copy this tactic to my FM2022 game but i have no idea what im doing cause i cant download here any folder :/

BucioMan said: Hello, i wanna copy this tactic to my FM2022 game but i have no idea what im doing cause i cant download here any folder :/ Expand

Click tactic source then you will be redirect to a thread. Below the thread tittle you will see diffirent versions of the tactic. Each version has its own download button, click on it to download the version you want.

@RDF Tactics has done a tactical review video on Mongoose Rejuvenated. Thanks pal

Hello,

I've been asked a few times on numerous discord servers if I can create a SUS version of Mongoose or one with less intensity to help maintain stamina towards the end of a game.

I think I've managed to create one which hopefully ticks the boxes. I bring you Tamed Mongoose. It is no where near as aggressive as previous versions with both Villa and PSG being relatively quiet with the cards. The intensity has been reduced  some what, I'd say around 35% - 40% less than rejuvenated



Changes -
Added work ball into box for a more patient approach
removed counter
reduced line of engagement to higher
removed tackle harder from most roles apart from DW as they're pre set
added waste time sometimes

As always I tested the tactic with Villa and PSG. Assistant manager in charge of team selection and general training. Individual training left to playing position. NO EDITORS USED.

Villa predicted 10th, finished 3rd with 82 points, I believe this might be my highest points tally with Villa (I maybe wrong though)



PSG predicted 1st, won everything with Mbappe scoring 62 goals in all comps. 154 league goals scored with only 24 conceded.

 

Thanks

what would happen if the AMC was changed to a SS - would it make performance worse?

nijak05 said: what would happen if the AMC was changed to a SS - would it make performance worse? Expand

it shouldn't do

Mongoose WM v2

Hello,

I have created another variant of Mongoose, I wanted to create a variant that was in possession but still kept its solidity in terms of goals scored and conceded. I predominantly use a version of Mongoose in my saves and tweak them slightly to adapt to my squad strengths.



Role changes -

IWBa to FBs
BPD - CD
DWs - WMs

TI changes -

Added shorter passing
Added be more expressive
Reduced tempo to higher from extremely high
Added distribute quickly and to CBs and FBs
Dropped line of engagement from much higher to higher

PIs are pretty much the same

Once I felt that the tactic was doing well in my save, I tested it with Villa and PSG. NO EDITORS USED!!! AM in charge of general training and team selection.

Villa

Finished 3rd on 78 points, joint with Liverpool but they had a better goal difference. Watkins scoring 37 goals. Villa having the 4th best possession stats in the league



PSG

Won the treble, Mbappe top scoring with 49 goals, highest possession in the league with 59% and 2nd highest pass completion with 91%

Fulham test using Mongoose WM v2

Won the league with 115 points and only 3 defeats, 2nd highest possession with 56% and a pass completion of 89%

Mongoose IW

Changes made -

DW - IW
Added overlap left and right - the idea behind this is that the IWB and IW move centrally with the IWB then running wide overlapping the IW with the hope of pulling his marker out of position or causing confusion.
Removed counter press

I have tested it with PSG 3 times and each occasion it achieved over 110 points, below is the result of the last test. AM in charge of general training and team selection. NO editors were used.

PSG
Won the quadruple, scoring 233 goals in all comps, Mbappe scoring 80 goals. Unbeaten in the league with 110 points. 36 wins 2 draws. Conceded less than 1 goal per game (0.97), under human management I am 100% confident that the defence will be stronger and concede less



I will update with more results as I will test with a variety of other teams

CBP87 said: Mongoose IW

Changes made -

DW - IW
Added overlap left and right - the idea behind this is that the IWB and IW move centrally with the IWB then running wide overlapping the IW with the hope of pulling his marker out of position or causing confusion.
Removed counter press

I have tested it with PSG 3 times and each occasion it achieved over 110 points, below is the result of the last test. AM in charge of general training and team selection. NO editors were used.

PSG
Won the quadruple, scoring 233 goals in all comps, Mbappe scoring 80 goals. Unbeaten in the league with 110 points. 36 wins 2 draws. Conceded less than 1 goal per game (0.97), under human management I am 100% confident that the defence will be stronger and concede less



I will update with more results as I will test with a variety of other teams Expand

I found a strange 'anomaly' while testing. The tactics that work for Serie A clubs usually do bad in EPL and vice versa.

DeviAngel said: I found a strange 'anomaly' while testing. The tactics that work for Serie A clubs usually do bad in EPL and vice versa. Expand

I've believed for years that each nation has a character in terms of tactics.

PL is aggressive and quick paced where as Serie A is more defence focused and La Liga is more technical

i cant download

ColdWave said: i cant download Expand

follow the link - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1819-mongoose-41212-v1-salah-scored-80-goals/

Tip to @Zippo or another owner, put the download link by the top of this page, with 10 arrows pointing to it like the picture below.

ZaZ said: Tip to @Zippo or another owner, put the download link by the top of this page, with 10 arrows pointing to it like the picture below.
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ZaZ said: Tip to @Zippo or another owner, put the download link by the top of this page, with 10 arrows pointing to it like the picture below.
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We've added "Download" text to the text of the button. I hope it should be very clear from now on.