Since it is an academy-only save and I don't have an outstanding number of quality regens, every decent player counts and I had to take it into account. To reduce the number of cards, I removed stuck-in team instruction. Whenever I was leading, I would also remove tackle harder from every position possible.
The most important was to save conditions as much as possible. Whenever I was leading in a match, I would drop mentality to defensive, remove counter, add maximum time-wasting, no counter and counter-press, minimum tempo, standard press, mid-block line of engagement, slow down for GK. UPD. Oh yeah, I would also change the strikers role to PF(A) whenever I was leading.
My best regen was a very slow, but otherwise great forward which I re-trained to DM position and he was sort of perfect for DLP role, so I changed VOL(A) to DLP(S).
I had a defender with 18 jumping and he was scoring 15-20 goals from corners per season on average, so I also added "play for set pieces".
WestDoorBlowJ said: Sounds great! Amount of corner goals tuned down after update? Expand
Yes, it did, although I am not sure if it was due to the patch or my tweaks.
Since it is an academy-only save and I don't have an outstanding number of quality regens, every decent player counts and I had to take it into account. To reduce the number of cards, I removed stuck-in team instruction. Whenever I was leading, I would also remove tackle harder from every position possible.
The most important was to save conditions as much as possible. Whenever I was leading in a match, I would drop mentality to defensive, remove counter, add maximum time-wasting, no counter and counter-press, minimum tempo, standard press, mid-block line of engagement, slow down for GK. UPD. Oh yeah, I would also change the strikers role to PF(A) whenever I was leading. Expand
STCL has Tackle Harder PI, but STCR doesnt. You can load the tactic and confirm. Just realised this in my 5th season. Hence will not be changing the tactic anytime soon, as my squad is built for 4-2-4 and it works well.
Does this mean, the wrong PIs got submitted, tested, and 424 Extreme Volts IV could have done much better in testing last patch? Maybe 62+ rating? Would we never be able to find out, now that the testing servers are updated to 22.3.0?
PS: I'll be on 23.2.0 for a while, since I'm out of the country for a while.
W1NT3RDR4G0N said: STCL has Tackle Harder PI, but STCR doesnt. You can load the tactic and confirm. Just realised this in my 5th season. Hence will not be changing the tactic anytime soon, as my squad is built for 4-2-4 and it works well.
Does this mean, the wrong PIs got submitted, tested, and 424 Extreme Volts IV could have done much better in testing last patch? Maybe 62+ rating? Would we never be able to find out, now that the testing servers are updated to 22.3.0?
PS: I'll be on 23.2.0 for a while, since I'm out of the country for a while. Expand
Hey, if you keep get stuck in it doesn't really matter, btw I suggest you to check the last version of 424 since I am updating them
Tested it with Dinamo Zagreb with the default database, and it was amazing, in CL quarterfinals lost to Man City on goal difference.
But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3
I tried few tweaks, add more players on defend and lowering lines, but it made no difference Just wondering what tweaks could help.
Since it did wonders with Dinamo where I had worse players and did 0 changes to tactic.
Tested it with Dinamo Zagreb with the default database, and it was amazing, in CL quarterfinals lost to Man City on goal difference.
But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3
I tried few tweaks, add more players on defend and lowering lines, but it made no difference Just wondering what tweaks could help.
Since it did wonders with Dinamo where I had worse players and did 0 changes to tactic.
Any help is appreciated. Expand
Try Cautious on away games,did you started the save from scratch or ? What kind of training are you using? I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM),to me training play a really big part as well.
P.S.
Welcome and don't hesitate to ask,will try to provide you any kind of help i can offer!
Juju said: But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3 Expand
Delicious said: Try Cautious on away games,did you started the save from scratch or ? What kind of training are you using? I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM),to me training play a really big part as well.
P.S.
Welcome and don't hesitate to ask, will try to provide you any kind of help i can offer! Expand
OMG, training never crossed my mind. It makes a lot of sense. In my Dinamo Zagreb save, I was using Hood Gaming schedule, although it is bit older video. Hood Gaming schedule
In my Leeds save I brought couple of really good coaches so I delegated training to them, since no one complained and attributes were going up on majority of players I left it at that.
By started from scratch you mean I didn't continue an older save? If that's the question then yes.
Delicious said: I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM) Expand Are these training schedules you mention? Are they from previous FM's because I can't find anything related to FM23.
Thanks for the help!
P.S One more question, on home games, when you are clear favorite, do you ever go attacking or only positive/balanced?
Juju said: OMG, training never crossed my mind. It makes a lot of sense. In my Dinamo Zagreb save, I was using Hood Gaming schedule, although it is bit older video. Hood Gaming schedule
In my Leeds save I brought couple of really good coaches so I delegated training to them, since no one complained and attributes were going up on majority of players I left it at that.
By started from scratch you mean I didn't continue an older save? If that's the question then yes.
Are these training schedules you mention? Are they from previous FM's because I can't find anything related to FM23.
Hawk just follow the name of files(Usually i just use 2 games scheduling but that's me :P). Expand
You mean you always use 2 game week schedule from hawk no matter how many games u play that week?
After 1 month, looks like training and going cautious on away games did some improvement. One more question, do you ever go attacking or very attacking on home games when you are clear favorite?
Juju said: You mean you always use 2 game week schedule from hawk no matter how many games u play that week?
After 1 month, looks like training and going cautious on away games did some improvement. One more question, do you ever go attacking or very attacking on home games when you are clear favorite?
Thanks a lot for the help! Expand
You can go on attacking if you are clear favorite,some people noticed if you go cautious vs "even team" on away games you risk to do nothing,mentality are a bit tricky.
About VA you can use it but only if you are desperate and in a minor amount of time,because is gonna drain your players out.
Zippo said: As @Yarema said, by clicking the icons you aren't implementing anything, your're just changing between the views.
Btw, do you know that there are also "Personal" and "Position" PIs ( Player Instructions ).
It works the same way as it works with the OIs.
Every player can have his personal PIs that would apply only to him.
Just look it have the same icons and changing views style that you can see in the OIs.
Expand
back to this once again I've started to try OIs again and that's happen when my OIs are set pre-match "by position"
my AM advice me to put pressure on the opposing player until I do CMD-A -> tick from personal (which you see by default) to positional OIs I believe AM can be that stupid and can't see that it's already trigger press ON for all positions, but what if he's right and it's not only UI, but game literally set OIs for personal every game until you switch them to positional?
and once I switch all players to positional view these advices disappear
toonarmy0511 said: what did you tweak if you don't mind sharing?
Not much, actually.
Since it is an academy-only save and I don't have an outstanding number of quality regens, every decent player counts and I had to take it into account. To reduce the number of cards, I removed stuck-in team instruction. Whenever I was leading, I would also remove tackle harder from every position possible.
The most important was to save conditions as much as possible. Whenever I was leading in a match, I would drop mentality to defensive, remove counter, add maximum time-wasting, no counter and counter-press, minimum tempo, standard press, mid-block line of engagement, slow down for GK.
UPD. Oh yeah, I would also change the strikers role to PF(A) whenever I was leading.
My best regen was a very slow, but otherwise great forward which I re-trained to DM position and he was sort of perfect for DLP role, so I changed VOL(A) to DLP(S).
I had a defender with 18 jumping and he was scoring 15-20 goals from corners per season on average, so I also added "play for set pieces".
WestDoorBlowJ said: Sounds great! Amount of corner goals tuned down after update?
Yes, it did, although I am not sure if it was due to the patch or my tweaks.
Tbh for me this tactic is even better now
BulldozerJokic said: Not much, actually.
Since it is an academy-only save and I don't have an outstanding number of quality regens, every decent player counts and I had to take it into account. To reduce the number of cards, I removed stuck-in team instruction. Whenever I was leading, I would also remove tackle harder from every position possible.
The most important was to save conditions as much as possible. Whenever I was leading in a match, I would drop mentality to defensive, remove counter, add maximum time-wasting, no counter and counter-press, minimum tempo, standard press, mid-block line of engagement, slow down for GK.
UPD. Oh yeah, I would also change the strikers role to PF(A) whenever I was leading.
UPD?
Is this tactic better than the diamond one?
Which-footed are your recommendations of IFs and AFs?
NoReputationNoBadgeUnEmployed said: Which-footed are your recommendations of IFs and AFs?
AML=Right
AMR=Left
STCL=Left
STCR=Right
For Strikers/AFs doesn't really matter but if you can choose i would opt for those kind of setup between them.
STCL has Tackle Harder PI, but STCR doesnt. You can load the tactic and confirm. Just realised this in my 5th season. Hence will not be changing the tactic anytime soon, as my squad is built for 4-2-4 and it works well.
Does this mean, the wrong PIs got submitted, tested, and 424 Extreme Volts IV could have done much better in testing last patch? Maybe 62+ rating? Would we never be able to find out, now that the testing servers are updated to 22.3.0?
PS: I'll be on 23.2.0 for a while, since I'm out of the country for a while.
W1NT3RDR4G0N said: STCL has Tackle Harder PI, but STCR doesnt. You can load the tactic and confirm. Just realised this in my 5th season. Hence will not be changing the tactic anytime soon, as my squad is built for 4-2-4 and it works well.
Does this mean, the wrong PIs got submitted, tested, and 424 Extreme Volts IV could have done much better in testing last patch? Maybe 62+ rating? Would we never be able to find out, now that the testing servers are updated to 22.3.0?
PS: I'll be on 23.2.0 for a while, since I'm out of the country for a while.
Hey, if you keep get stuck in it doesn't really matter, btw I suggest you to check the last version of 424 since I am updating them
Thanks, that's a relief to hear. Yes, I will move on to the top-rated 4-2-4 once I update to 23.3.0
Hey, new guy here...
Tested it with Dinamo Zagreb with the default database, and it was amazing, in CL quarterfinals lost to Man City on goal difference.
But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3
I tried few tweaks, add more players on defend and lowering lines, but it made no difference
Just wondering what tweaks could help.
Since it did wonders with Dinamo where I had worse players and did 0 changes to tactic.
Any help is appreciated.
Juju said: Hey, new guy here...
Tested it with Dinamo Zagreb with the default database, and it was amazing, in CL quarterfinals lost to Man City on goal difference.
But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3
I tried few tweaks, add more players on defend and lowering lines, but it made no difference
Just wondering what tweaks could help.
Since it did wonders with Dinamo where I had worse players and did 0 changes to tactic.
Any help is appreciated.
Try Cautious on away games,did you started the save from scratch or ? What kind of training are you using? I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM),to me training play a really big part as well.
P.S.
Welcome and don't hesitate to ask,will try to provide you any kind of help i can offer!
Juju said: But then tried it with Leeds with the new player database, at it's going hot-cold. Losing to Brentford 5-1, Chelsea 7-3. My entire defense was below average in 70% of the games. Meslier is non-existent, I know that is not the tactic's fault and I know it's not plug-and-play type of tactic. Started second season with 4 pts in 3 games and I was the favorite in 2/3
Hi,
Loot at these threads:
https://fm-arena.com/thread/3293-what-it-takes-to-dominate-epl-with-bournemouth/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/2980-game-changing-player-attributes/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/3241-adjusting-the-intensity-of-your-tactic-during-matches/
Delicious said: Try Cautious on away games,did you started the save from scratch or ? What kind of training are you using? I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM),to me training play a really big part as well.
P.S.
Welcome and don't hesitate to ask, will try to provide you any kind of help i can offer!
OMG, training never crossed my mind. It makes a lot of sense.
In my Dinamo Zagreb save, I was using Hood Gaming schedule, although it is bit older video.
Hood Gaming schedule
In my Leeds save I brought couple of really good coaches so I delegated training to them, since no one complained and attributes were going up on majority of players I left it at that.
By started from scratch you mean I didn't continue an older save? If that's the question then yes.
Delicious said: I do suggest you Zaz's,EBFM or HAWKEYE(tweaked of EBFM)
Are these training schedules you mention? Are they from previous FM's because I can't find anything related to FM23.
Thanks for the help!
P.S
One more question, on home games, when you are clear favorite, do you ever go attacking or only positive/balanced?
Juju said: OMG, training never crossed my mind. It makes a lot of sense.
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In my Dinamo Zagreb save, I was using Hood Gaming schedule, although it is bit older video.
Hood Gaming schedule
In my Leeds save I brought couple of really good coaches so I delegated training to them, since no one complained and attributes were going up on majority of players I left it at that.
By started from scratch you mean I didn't continue an older save? If that's the question then yes.
Are these training schedules you mention? Are they from previous FM's because I can't find anything related to FM23.
Thanks for the help!
@ZaZ one need this kind of setup :
Hawk just follow the name of files(Usually i just use 2 games scheduling but that's me :P).
Delicious said: @ZaZ one need this kind of setup :
;
Hawk just follow the name of files(Usually i just use 2 games scheduling but that's me :P).
You mean you always use 2 game week schedule from hawk no matter how many games u play that week?
After 1 month, looks like training and going cautious on away games did some improvement.
One more question, do you ever go attacking or very attacking on home games when you are clear favorite?
Thanks a lot for the help!
Juju said: You mean you always use 2 game week schedule from hawk no matter how many games u play that week?
After 1 month, looks like training and going cautious on away games did some improvement.
One more question, do you ever go attacking or very attacking on home games when you are clear favorite?
Thanks a lot for the help!
You can go on attacking if you are clear favorite,some people noticed if you go cautious vs "even team" on away games you risk to do nothing,mentality are a bit tricky.
About VA you can use it but only if you are desperate and in a minor amount of time,because is gonna drain your players out.
Zippo said: As @Yarema said, by clicking the icons you aren't implementing anything, your're just changing between the views.
Btw, do you know that there are also "Personal" and "Position" PIs ( Player Instructions ).
It works the same way as it works with the OIs.
Every player can have his personal PIs that would apply only to him.
Just look it have the same icons and changing views style that you can see in the OIs.
back to this once again
I've started to try OIs again and that's happen when my OIs are set pre-match "by position"
my AM advice me to put pressure on the opposing player until I do CMD-A -> tick from personal (which you see by default) to positional OIs
I believe AM can be that stupid and can't see that it's already trigger press ON for all positions, but what if he's right and it's not only UI, but game literally set OIs for personal every game until you switch them to positional?
and once I switch all players to positional view these advices disappear
Any reason why on direct freekicks, only one player is in the wall?
carlos2anjos said: Any reason why on direct freekicks, only one player is in the wall?
Because no matter what sometimes you gonna get goals even with 3 men but you can just tweak it, i tried to check if in test it matter and it didn't