For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage. 2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero. 3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request. 4. Suggest terms. 5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation). 6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again. 7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k). 8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage.
I remove from negotiation any future selling on fees, so percentage of next sale etc.. I then hit suggest to see what they want. 9 times out of 10 there will chuck in monthly instalments, I keep this but amend the instalments to the most allowed. 3 x yearly instalments or 6 x 6 monthly instalments.
I then go about reducing the initial fee, lets says the player is valued at 15 million, I hit suggest and the club want 18 million up front and 3 instalments of 1.5 million making the overall transfer value 22.5 million. I will try and bring the overall transfer value as close to the up front fee as possible, so I tend to reduce the up front fee leaving the instalments. I will probably end up getting the player for around 19 million overall so saving 3.5 million.
For contracts, I remove any fee's based on appearances, goals, assists etc.. leaving just competition or personal accolade bonus's. I also leave in wage increases after a certain amount of games. Usually when I offer this, the wage and signing on fee increases. At this point, I leave the wage unless they're demands are ridiculous and I offer them a much lower signing on fee and I lock it so they can't negotiate it. 9 times out of 10 this works and I get the player. The odd occasion the negotiations break down because the agent is a tool.
Lets say the player wanted
- 35k weekly wage - 1.5 million signing on fee - 500k agent fee - 10k appearance fee - 10k goal bonus - 10k assist fee - 45k after 25 games
I would remove appearance, goal and assist fees and hit suggest, what I find is this
- 40k weekly wage - 2.5 million signing on fee - 700k agent fee - 45k after 25 games
I will reduce the signing on fee to 1.7 million and the agent fee back down to 500k and lock those. They may request some other type of fee like sub bonus etc.. remove them.
I find this approach 9 times out of 10 works for me and if the player declines my contract offer, I tend to go back after a few weeks and I find its a different agent all together
You can get some agents to accept lower offers if you put their fee up. Sometimes I max it, especially with younger players as their fee isn't that much, and save a lot of money by doing that.
Buying players I use the agent discussion and scout report to work out how much they want. The amounts are normally in cash up front, but you can often get the player for a small cash amount and the rest over months. I never include sell on percentage and if they use that as their last demand I just use enquiry again to restart the process.
SpoilerZaZ said: For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage. 2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero. 3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request. 4. Suggest terms. 5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation). 6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again. 7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k). 8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage. Expand
Offer to other teams until they get so annoyed that they buy your player. Slowly lower the asking price as you get closer to the end of transfer window.
Re selling players I've never really cracked the formula. It's better to try to sell them at the start of windows as team have just got their new budgets. If you get an offer that matches your valuation it's easy to think you can get more, but sometimes you should take it. I think you need to look at the player, evaluate what their value is, how much they will feature for you and how well you can use the money you will get from selling them. I've often had a bid of say £24m, rejected it and tried for £30m only to struggle to get offers of £20m. At the same time teams definitely try it on and when they do I tend to reject those offers and then stop offering them out and wait for new teams to become interested and bid. When it gets to the last week or ten days of the window offer them out again if there are no bids.
I prefer cash but don't mind add ons such as 5-10 internationals if they are important player's for their national teams, it doesn't take long to get the cash. Younger players I will always aim for 40-50% of profit from next sale.
When the biggest or richest teams in the game bid I always reject the first one or two offers and then negotiate up from their next bid. You can get huge money from PSG, city, Madrid, Bayern and the club's that get the mega rich tycoons.
ZaZ said: For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage. 2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero. 3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request. 4. Suggest terms. 5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation). 6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again. 7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k). 8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage. Expand
Hey ZaZ, first of all, thanks again for your dedication to our beloved game! Now, is this still working with the newest patch? I somehow wont be able to get the zero "Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee" through. They won´t accept. However they also don´t get pissed immediately about erasing all bonusses, so its a lil plus for me. But they keep wanting AF anf LB. Thanks in advance.
bwig said: Hey ZaZ, first of all, thanks again for your dedication to our beloved game! Now, is this still working with the newest patch? I somehow wont be able to get the zero "Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee" through. They won´t accept. However they also don´t get pissed immediately about erasing all bonusses, so its a lil plus for me. But they keep wanting AF anf LB. Thanks in advance. Expand
It still works. You can make a dummy save and try with random players to see how it goes, then reload after you get the hang of it.
CBP87 said: I remove from negotiation any future selling on fees, so percentage of next sale etc.. I then hit suggest to see what they want. 9 times out of 10 there will chuck in monthly instalments, I keep this but amend the instalments to the most allowed. 3 x yearly instalments or 6 x 6 monthly instalments.
I then go about reducing the initial fee, lets says the player is valued at 15 million, I hit suggest and the club want 18 million up front and 3 instalments of 1.5 million making the overall transfer value 22.5 million. I will try and bring the overall transfer value as close to the up front fee as possible, so I tend to reduce the up front fee leaving the instalments. I will probably end up getting the player for around 19 million overall so saving 3.5 million.
For contracts, I remove any fee's based on appearances, goals, assists etc.. leaving just competition or personal accolade bonus's. I also leave in wage increases after a certain amount of games. Usually when I offer this, the wage and signing on fee increases. At this point, I leave the wage unless they're demands are ridiculous and I offer them a much lower signing on fee and I lock it so they can't negotiate it. 9 times out of 10 this works and I get the player. The odd occasion the negotiations break down because the agent is a tool.
Lets say the player wanted
- 35k weekly wage - 1.5 million signing on fee - 500k agent fee - 10k appearance fee - 10k goal bonus - 10k assist fee - 45k after 25 games
I would remove appearance, goal and assist fees and hit suggest, what I find is this
- 40k weekly wage - 2.5 million signing on fee - 700k agent fee - 45k after 25 games
I will reduce the signing on fee to 1.7 million and the agent fee back down to 500k and lock those. They may request some other type of fee like sub bonus etc.. remove them.
I find this approach 9 times out of 10 works for me and if the player declines my contract offer, I tend to go back after a few weeks and I find its a different agent all together Expand
Thanks for sharing. Sometime It worked sometime not but most of the time I can exclude most of the clause and no agent fee
Hi, im curious if you have techniques to better negotiate the players prices with clubs and the salary with the players.
I know one that lowers the player salary demands: add an 0€ release clause on relegation
For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage.
2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero.
3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request.
4. Suggest terms.
5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation).
6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again.
7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k).
8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage.
I remove from negotiation any future selling on fees, so percentage of next sale etc.. I then hit suggest to see what they want. 9 times out of 10 there will chuck in monthly instalments, I keep this but amend the instalments to the most allowed. 3 x yearly instalments or 6 x 6 monthly instalments.
I then go about reducing the initial fee, lets says the player is valued at 15 million, I hit suggest and the club want 18 million up front and 3 instalments of 1.5 million making the overall transfer value 22.5 million. I will try and bring the overall transfer value as close to the up front fee as possible, so I tend to reduce the up front fee leaving the instalments. I will probably end up getting the player for around 19 million overall so saving 3.5 million.
For contracts, I remove any fee's based on appearances, goals, assists etc.. leaving just competition or personal accolade bonus's. I also leave in wage increases after a certain amount of games. Usually when I offer this, the wage and signing on fee increases. At this point, I leave the wage unless they're demands are ridiculous and I offer them a much lower signing on fee and I lock it so they can't negotiate it. 9 times out of 10 this works and I get the player. The odd occasion the negotiations break down because the agent is a tool.
Lets say the player wanted
- 35k weekly wage
- 1.5 million signing on fee
- 500k agent fee
- 10k appearance fee
- 10k goal bonus
- 10k assist fee
- 45k after 25 games
I would remove appearance, goal and assist fees and hit suggest, what I find is this
- 40k weekly wage
- 2.5 million signing on fee
- 700k agent fee
- 45k after 25 games
I will reduce the signing on fee to 1.7 million and the agent fee back down to 500k and lock those. They may request some other type of fee like sub bonus etc.. remove them.
I find this approach 9 times out of 10 works for me and if the player declines my contract offer, I tend to go back after a few weeks and I find its a different agent all together
You can get some agents to accept lower offers if you put their fee up. Sometimes I max it, especially with younger players as their fee isn't that much, and save a lot of money by doing that.
Buying players I use the agent discussion and scout report to work out how much they want. The amounts are normally in cash up front, but you can often get the player for a small cash amount and the rest over months. I never include sell on percentage and if they use that as their last demand I just use enquiry again to restart the process.
Spoiler ZaZ said: For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage.
2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero.
3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request.
4. Suggest terms.
5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation).
6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again.
7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k).
8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage.
how do u sell players also ?
Lasoneff said: Spoiler
how do u sell players also ?
Offer to other teams until they get so annoyed that they buy your player. Slowly lower the asking price as you get closer to the end of transfer window.
Re selling players I've never really cracked the formula. It's better to try to sell them at the start of windows as team have just got their new budgets. If you get an offer that matches your valuation it's easy to think you can get more, but sometimes you should take it. I think you need to look at the player, evaluate what their value is, how much they will feature for you and how well you can use the money you will get from selling them. I've often had a bid of say £24m, rejected it and tried for £30m only to struggle to get offers of £20m. At the same time teams definitely try it on and when they do I tend to reject those offers and then stop offering them out and wait for new teams to become interested and bid. When it gets to the last week or ten days of the window offer them out again if there are no bids.
I prefer cash but don't mind add ons such as 5-10 internationals if they are important player's for their national teams, it doesn't take long to get the cash. Younger players I will always aim for 40-50% of profit from next sale.
When the biggest or richest teams in the game bid I always reject the first one or two offers and then negotiate up from their next bid. You can get huge money from PSG, city, Madrid, Bayern and the club's that get the mega rich tycoons.
ZaZ said: For contracts, I get the best results when I do something like this:
1. Remove all clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation), and add a clause of 5% Sell On Fee Percentage.
2. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero.
3. Lower Wage to around 80% of their request.
4. Suggest terms.
5. Remove all new clauses and bonuses (and exclude from negotiation).
6. Set Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee to zero again.
7. Lower Wage to the middle ground between the previous offer and this new one (for example, if previous offer was 250k, and new offer is 300k, offer 275k).
8. Repeat from 4 until they accept.
In some specific cases, you might need to add one extra tick if they repeat the same request.
In my experience, that's the most effective way to minimize their demands and save a good amount of money.
P.S.: This doesn't work when they have a clause of "Wage after X matches". In that case, you usually have to keep the clause and also reduce just like the normal wage.
Hey ZaZ, first of all, thanks again for your dedication to our beloved game! Now, is this still working with the newest patch? I somehow wont be able to get the zero "Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee" through. They won´t accept. However they also don´t get pissed immediately about erasing all bonusses, so its a lil plus for me. But they keep wanting AF anf LB. Thanks in advance.
bwig said: Hey ZaZ, first of all, thanks again for your dedication to our beloved game! Now, is this still working with the newest patch? I somehow wont be able to get the zero "Loyalty Bonus and Agent Fee" through. They won´t accept. However they also don´t get pissed immediately about erasing all bonusses, so its a lil plus for me. But they keep wanting AF anf LB. Thanks in advance.
It still works. You can make a dummy save and try with random players to see how it goes, then reload after you get the hang of it.
CBP87 said: I remove from negotiation any future selling on fees, so percentage of next sale etc.. I then hit suggest to see what they want. 9 times out of 10 there will chuck in monthly instalments, I keep this but amend the instalments to the most allowed. 3 x yearly instalments or 6 x 6 monthly instalments.
I then go about reducing the initial fee, lets says the player is valued at 15 million, I hit suggest and the club want 18 million up front and 3 instalments of 1.5 million making the overall transfer value 22.5 million. I will try and bring the overall transfer value as close to the up front fee as possible, so I tend to reduce the up front fee leaving the instalments. I will probably end up getting the player for around 19 million overall so saving 3.5 million.
For contracts, I remove any fee's based on appearances, goals, assists etc.. leaving just competition or personal accolade bonus's. I also leave in wage increases after a certain amount of games. Usually when I offer this, the wage and signing on fee increases. At this point, I leave the wage unless they're demands are ridiculous and I offer them a much lower signing on fee and I lock it so they can't negotiate it. 9 times out of 10 this works and I get the player. The odd occasion the negotiations break down because the agent is a tool.
Lets say the player wanted
- 35k weekly wage
- 1.5 million signing on fee
- 500k agent fee
- 10k appearance fee
- 10k goal bonus
- 10k assist fee
- 45k after 25 games
I would remove appearance, goal and assist fees and hit suggest, what I find is this
- 40k weekly wage
- 2.5 million signing on fee
- 700k agent fee
- 45k after 25 games
I will reduce the signing on fee to 1.7 million and the agent fee back down to 500k and lock those. They may request some other type of fee like sub bonus etc.. remove them.
I find this approach 9 times out of 10 works for me and if the player declines my contract offer, I tend to go back after a few weeks and I find its a different agent all together
Thanks for sharing. Sometime It worked sometime not but most of the time I can exclude most of the clause and no agent fee