This season we were top of the table from the very start (i imagine tactical familiarity and a good dressing room atmosphere from the previous success of last season helped this)
There was a point at the start of January where i thought it would all taper off and my team would struggle because of a few injuries and a lack of depth. This wasn't the case though. March was the worst month where players were tired from games coming thick and fast but even then we didn't lose much only picked up a few draws instead.
There were plenty of games where we won by 5 goals or more. Again am very impressed with this tactic and just thought i would show the continued success.
I was predicted to finish 19th. Expand
Nice bro, this tactics with the META set piece can surely send you to at least championship with only pure random players. You just need any two random players that familiar with the position to substitute when one is injured. My Buxton now can compete with any clubs after 6-7 years. If you have fund available, please look to strengthen AMC first since that role always have most impact(both assists and score) In my Buxton save, any FC can be trained to become AMC. Wing can be trained to FB, and DC could be trained to DM. This way of training can save you lots of money until you rich enough to buy anything you want. Training routine is here https://fm-arena.com/thread/9313-untested-meta-attribute-training-schedule-v1/
This season we were top of the table from the very start (i imagine tactical familiarity and a good dressing room atmosphere from the previous success of last season helped this)
There was a point at the start of January where i thought it would all taper off and my team would struggle because of a few injuries and a lack of depth. This wasn't the case though. March was the worst month where players were tired from games coming thick and fast but even then we didn't lose much only picked up a few draws instead.
There were plenty of games where we won by 5 goals or more. Again am very impressed with this tactic and just thought i would show the continued success.
I was predicted to finish 19th. Expand
That schedule sure was brutal with games every 3 days. If I may give an advice, I use for myself. I am not doing my team training, I let my assistant run that - if you do yours, thats fine, but I'm not sure how that would mix with the following tip.
Turn down the intensity of the players training. I use the rest option and when you look at the hearts (are these hearts?) that symbolize the condition of the player, only the most green train at only half intensity. Everyone else sits out and its automatated. This has helped me get through the most grueling schedules. I know you might think "but will my players develop?!" but dont forget, only U18 players really develop by training. Everyone else needs games. And my proposal gives them more chances to play more games.
RawJah said: Did you team hit the post or bar alot in these games maybe? Or did you have many offside-situations. These go into the rating as well (although I dont think they should.) Expand
Good morning and sorry for the late reply.
The truth is I don't remember for sure but there are games where we have 2-3 bar hits and as many offsides or even a disallowed goal. Such games usually don't end with a very good result...
Not to be misunderstood, I'm very happy with this tactic. I won the championship, I'm in the cup final and the semi-finals of the UEL!
gekan said: Good morning and sorry for the late reply.
The truth is I don't remember for sure but there are games where we have 2-3 bar hits and as many offsides or even a disallowed goal. Such games usually don't end with a very good result...
Not to be misunderstood, I'm very happy with this tactic. I won the championship, I'm in the cup final and the semi-finals of the UEL! Expand
I asked for the number of bar hits and disallowed goals because those will influence the ratings of your players negatively (although I think they shouldnt, unless its a missed penalty) so take that in mind when you worry about bad ratings with your players (I did the same at some point btw. that was when i realised that i should take that in consideration).
Manidaro7 said: I say in general,if you get a red card what should you do? Expand
I normally replace a IF with a player that can play the position that has been sent off i.e centre back sent off, lowest performing IF off for centre back
CBP87 said: I normally replace a IF with a player that can play the position that has been sent off i.e centre back sent off, lowest performing IF off for centre back Expand
I change nothing and substitute the striker for whatever position needs replacement.
CBP87 said: Ok this is something I've struggled wit as well because they tend to park the bus against you. I found lowering the tempo to slightly lower helps as you retain the ball which hopefully in turns draws a player out of position for you to exploit. In my current Barca save I found this against every team I came up against so reduced the tempo to slightly lower and I've lost 1 game in 2 seasons in the league Expand
I was also suffering from this in Stuttgart, I did that and it improved a lot. I will test after the update
I started a new save with Stuttgart in the middle of the season in a bad phase, first game against Hoffenheim away, with the original tactic I lost 3-0, with lowering the tempo and a positive mentality I won 7-2
This post might be a bit premature, but since its friday and if someone like me, who loved how the Katana V3.1 worked for you and now you dont dare to continue your savegame in fear of ruining your run, I advise you to go for V3 of the Katana, that CBP87 linked a few posts above. Here is the link again: https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/
My sample-size is tiny so far (only 3 games, one of them was a friendly) but the dominance so far is the same, with a few changes, that I noticed and so far, these few changes are even for the better, which is hard to comprehend because of how dominant 3.1 already was.
These changes are:
One of the "weaknesses" of 3.1 was, that your team wasnt automatically the team with more ball posession, even if you smashed your opponent. My last game in the league before the update and therefore change to v3 was against a promoted team. We won 5-0 but had only 46% ball posession. Since the change to v3 I had two league games against better teams than the promoted one. One at home and one away. We won 5-2 (opponent had 2 penalties *shrug* lol) and 5-0 and both times above 60 % ball posession.
The goal distribution (i hope its the right word) changed. Before I had 85 to 90 % goals from inside or very close to the six-yard-box, because the FBs would cross from the line right into the box that it became almost ridiculous how many players (mine and opponents defenders and gk) would hang inside the box lol So far I've scored way more different goals, arguably even more beautiful goals, but thats subjective. Also I wanna say, that more different players scored but the sample size is way too small to really say anything about that. Its already tiny to say the stuff that I have said. But I wanted to get the word out quickly, because its friday evening and it would be a shame if someone stopped playing because he had no promising solution for the update yet.
I can only recommend trying V3 because so far it looks like the perfect answer if you loved v3.1 and want to continue your dominant run without changing your tactic majorly in the middle of the season. Have a fun weekend guys <3
RawJah said: This post might be a bit premature, but since its friday and if someone like me, who loved how the Katana V3.1 worked for you and now you dont dare to continue your savegame in fear of ruining your run, I advise you to go for V3 of the Katana, that CBP87 linked a few posts above. Here is the link again: https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/
My sample-size is tiny so far (only 3 games, one of them was a friendly) but the dominance so far is the same, with a few changes, that I noticed and so far, these few changes are even for the better, which is hard to comprehend because of how dominant 3.1 already was.
These changes are:
One of the "weaknesses" of 3.1 was, that your team wasnt automatically the team with more ball posession, even if you smashed your opponent. My last game in the league before the update and therefore change to v3 was against a promoted team. We won 5-0 but had only 46% ball posession. Since the change to v3 I had two league games against better teams than the promoted one. One at home and one away. We won 5-2 (opponent had 2 penalties *shrug* lol) and 5-0 and both times above 60 % ball posession.
The goal distribution (i hope its the right word) changed. Before I had 85 to 90 % goals from inside or very close to the six-yard-box, because the FBs would cross from the line right into the box that it became almost ridiculous how many players (mine and opponents defenders and gk) would hang inside the box lol So far I've scored way more different goals, arguably even more beautiful goals, but thats subjective. Also I wanna say, that more different players scored but the sample size is way too small to really say anything about that. Its already tiny to say the stuff that I have said. But I wanted to get the word out quickly, because its friday evening and it would be a shame if someone stopped playing because he had no promising solution for the update yet.
I can only recommend trying V3 because so far it looks like the perfect answer if you loved v3.1 and want to continue your dominant run without changing your tactic majorly in the middle of the season. Have a fun weekend guys <3 Expand
I think we are too, its friday then!
I just finished the season, as I said before, I caught the team in the middle/end of the season and I made a point of starting a save with them in bad shape (they had lost the last 5 games). After a few games I noticed that I was losing a lot of goals and taking a lot of goals too so I changed my mentality from positive to balanced (I changed after the game against Werder Bremen) I still ended up conceding a goal from Bayern, the ball hit the post during a foul and went back to Muller lol. With a balanced mentality and lowering the tempo, it seems to be working very well. I still managed to qualify for the Europa League.
I just finished the season, as I said before, I caught the team in the middle/end of the season and I made a point of starting a save with them in bad shape (they had lost the last 5 games). After a few games I noticed that I was losing a lot of goals and taking a lot of goals too so I changed my mentality from positive to balanced (I changed after the game against Werder Bremen) I still ended up conceding a goal from Bayern, the ball hit the post during a foul and went back to Muller lol. With a balanced mentality and lowering the tempo, it seems to be working very well. I still managed to qualify for the Europa League.
(i was in 12 position when started the save) Expand
Congratulations my friend. Leading Stuttgart from 12 to EL in that few games is quite impressive. I noticed, that you're probably scoring good from corners (or set pieces in general), right? I recognized a certain one legged french Giant scoring a bunch of goals, that must have come from Corners I'm a BVB-Fan for more than 30 years irl (and yes, I'm doing a Bayern-Save. As a CM/FM-Veteran I dont care about these matters haha) and loved Dan when he was with us. In former FMs when I had him in my team he was a goal-scoring machine from corners as well, always becoming one of my starting CDs. I also love how literally every other player looks small and skinny next to him irl.
RawJah said: Congratulations my friend. Leading Stuttgart from 12 to EL in that few games is quite impressive. I noticed, that you're probably scoring good from corners (or set pieces in general), right? I recognized a certain one legged french Giant scoring a bunch of goals, that must have come from Corners I'm a BVB-Fan for more than 30 years irl (and yes, I'm doing a Bayern-Save. As a CM/FM-Veteran I dont care about these matters haha) and loved Dan when he was with us. In former FMs when I had him in my team he was a goal-scoring machine from corners as well, always becoming one of my starting CDs. I also love how literally every other player looks small and skinny next to him irl. Expand
I'm also a Borussia fan, but let's say I support football when it's well played! That's why I started a save with Stuttgart, I think they are playing very well and putting pressure on the opponent, as is the case with this tactic, and it fits perfectly. Zagadou's goals were from corners, along with Waldemar Anton, another excellent defender! But the rest of them, especially the goals from Guirassy and Milot, were all well-worked plays, very beautiful to watch.
The Lone Wanderer said: Thought i would add a follow up after the first season.
This season we were top of the table from the very start (i imagine tactical familiarity and a good dressing room atmosphere from the previous success of last season helped this)
There was a point at the start of January where i thought it would all taper off and my team would struggle because of a few injuries and a lack of depth. This wasn't the case though. March was the worst month where players were tired from games coming thick and fast but even then we didn't lose much only picked up a few draws instead.
There were plenty of games where we won by 5 goals or more. Again am very impressed with this tactic and just thought i would show the continued success.
I was predicted to finish 19th.
Nice bro, this tactics with the META set piece can surely send you to at least championship with only pure random players. You just need any two random players that familiar with the position to substitute when one is injured. My Buxton now can compete with any clubs after 6-7 years. If you have fund available, please look to strengthen AMC first since that role always have most impact(both assists and score)
In my Buxton save, any FC can be trained to become AMC. Wing can be trained to FB, and DC could be trained to DM. This way of training can save you lots of money until you rich enough to buy anything you want.
Training routine is here https://fm-arena.com/thread/9313-untested-meta-attribute-training-schedule-v1/
And setup rest like the photo attached.
Hope you enjoy!
The Lone Wanderer said: Thought i would add a follow up after the first season.
This season we were top of the table from the very start (i imagine tactical familiarity and a good dressing room atmosphere from the previous success of last season helped this)
There was a point at the start of January where i thought it would all taper off and my team would struggle because of a few injuries and a lack of depth. This wasn't the case though. March was the worst month where players were tired from games coming thick and fast but even then we didn't lose much only picked up a few draws instead.
There were plenty of games where we won by 5 goals or more. Again am very impressed with this tactic and just thought i would show the continued success.
I was predicted to finish 19th.
That schedule sure was brutal with games every 3 days. If I may give an advice, I use for myself. I am not doing my team training, I let my assistant run that - if you do yours, thats fine, but I'm not sure how that would mix with the following tip.
Turn down the intensity of the players training. I use the rest option and when you look at the hearts (are these hearts?) that symbolize the condition of the player, only the most green train at only half intensity. Everyone else sits out and its automatated. This has helped me get through the most grueling schedules. I know you might think "but will my players develop?!" but dont forget, only U18 players really develop by training. Everyone else needs games. And my proposal gives them more chances to play more games.
META set pieces are in this tactic?
andrew21 said: META set pieces are in this tactic?
No, no uploaded tactics will have META set pieces
Where can i find it?
andrew21 said: Where can i find it?
Find what?
RawJah said: Did you team hit the post or bar alot in these games maybe? Or did you have many offside-situations. These go into the rating as well (although I dont think they should.)
Good morning and sorry for the late reply.
The truth is I don't remember for sure but there are games where we have 2-3 bar hits and as many offsides or even a disallowed goal. Such games usually don't end with a very good result...
Not to be misunderstood, I'm very happy with this tactic. I won the championship, I'm in the cup final and the semi-finals of the UEL!
gekan said: Good morning and sorry for the late reply.
The truth is I don't remember for sure but there are games where we have 2-3 bar hits and as many offsides or even a disallowed goal. Such games usually don't end with a very good result...
Not to be misunderstood, I'm very happy with this tactic. I won the championship, I'm in the cup final and the semi-finals of the UEL!
I asked for the number of bar hits and disallowed goals because those will influence the ratings of your players negatively (although I think they shouldnt, unless its a missed penalty) so take that in mind when you worry about bad ratings with your players (I did the same at some point btw. that was when i realised that i should take that in consideration).
Hi,I am using your tactic in Latvia and I wanted to ask you what should be done if you get a red card
Manidaro7 said: Hi,I am using your tactic in Latvia and I wanted to ask you what should be done if you get a red card
Hi, what position received the red card?
I say in general,if you get a red card what should you do?
Manidaro7 said: I say in general,if you get a red card what should you do?
I normally replace a IF with a player that can play the position that has been sent off i.e centre back sent off, lowest performing IF off for centre back
after the update this tactic seems to not be so affective
Before the update I was smashing teams 5/6/7-0, now after it my first three games have all been 1-1
CBP87 said: I normally replace a IF with a player that can play the position that has been sent off i.e centre back sent off, lowest performing IF off for centre back
I change nothing and substitute the striker for whatever position needs replacement.
CBP87 said: Ok this is something I've struggled wit as well because they tend to park the bus against you. I found lowering the tempo to slightly lower helps as you retain the ball which hopefully in turns draws a player out of position for you to exploit. In my current Barca save I found this against every team I came up against so reduced the tempo to slightly lower and I've lost 1 game in 2 seasons in the league
I was also suffering from this in Stuttgart, I did that and it improved a lot. I will test after the update
me3kins said: after the update this tactic seems to not be so affective
I agree, it seems somewhat nerfed in my opinion
AdriftMosquito said: Before the update I was smashing teams 5/6/7-0, now after it my first three games have all been 1-1
from my testing today, Positive and Balanced mentalities are performing much better than the attacking version.
I'm going to request for https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/ and https://fm-arena.com/thread/9062-katana-4231-99p-v3-2/ to be retested once the option is available
CBP87 said: I agree, it seems somewhat nerfed in my opinion
from my testing today, Positive and Balanced mentalities are performing much better than the attacking version.
I'm going to request for https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/ and https://fm-arena.com/thread/9062-katana-4231-99p-v3-2/ to be retested once the option is available
I started a new save with Stuttgart in the middle of the season in a bad phase, first game against Hoffenheim away, with the original tactic I lost 3-0, with lowering the tempo and a positive mentality I won 7-2
This post might be a bit premature, but since its friday and if someone like me, who loved how the Katana V3.1 worked for you and now you dont dare to continue your savegame in fear of ruining your run, I advise you to go for V3 of the Katana, that CBP87 linked a few posts above. Here is the link again: https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/
My sample-size is tiny so far (only 3 games, one of them was a friendly) but the dominance so far is the same, with a few changes, that I noticed and so far, these few changes are even for the better, which is hard to comprehend because of how dominant 3.1 already was.
These changes are:
One of the "weaknesses" of 3.1 was, that your team wasnt automatically the team with more ball posession, even if you smashed your opponent. My last game in the league before the update and therefore change to v3 was against a promoted team. We won 5-0 but had only 46% ball posession. Since the change to v3 I had two league games against better teams than the promoted one. One at home and one away. We won 5-2 (opponent had 2 penalties *shrug* lol) and 5-0 and both times above 60 % ball posession.
The goal distribution (i hope its the right word) changed. Before I had 85 to 90 % goals from inside or very close to the six-yard-box, because the FBs would cross from the line right into the box that it became almost ridiculous how many players (mine and opponents defenders and gk) would hang inside the box lol So far I've scored way more different goals, arguably even more beautiful goals, but thats subjective. Also I wanna say, that more different players scored but the sample size is way too small to really say anything about that. Its already tiny to say the stuff that I have said. But I wanted to get the word out quickly, because its friday evening and it would be a shame if someone stopped playing because he had no promising solution for the update yet.
I can only recommend trying V3 because so far it looks like the perfect answer if you loved v3.1 and want to continue your dominant run without changing your tactic majorly in the middle of the season. Have a fun weekend guys <3
RawJah said: This post might be a bit premature, but since its friday and if someone like me, who loved how the Katana V3.1 worked for you and now you dont dare to continue your savegame in fear of ruining your run, I advise you to go for V3 of the Katana, that CBP87 linked a few posts above. Here is the link again: https://fm-arena.com/thread/9024-katana-4231-100p-v3/
(i was in 12 position when started the save)
My sample-size is tiny so far (only 3 games, one of them was a friendly) but the dominance so far is the same, with a few changes, that I noticed and so far, these few changes are even for the better, which is hard to comprehend because of how dominant 3.1 already was.
These changes are:
One of the "weaknesses" of 3.1 was, that your team wasnt automatically the team with more ball posession, even if you smashed your opponent. My last game in the league before the update and therefore change to v3 was against a promoted team. We won 5-0 but had only 46% ball posession. Since the change to v3 I had two league games against better teams than the promoted one. One at home and one away. We won 5-2 (opponent had 2 penalties *shrug* lol) and 5-0 and both times above 60 % ball posession.
The goal distribution (i hope its the right word) changed. Before I had 85 to 90 % goals from inside or very close to the six-yard-box, because the FBs would cross from the line right into the box that it became almost ridiculous how many players (mine and opponents defenders and gk) would hang inside the box lol So far I've scored way more different goals, arguably even more beautiful goals, but thats subjective. Also I wanna say, that more different players scored but the sample size is way too small to really say anything about that. Its already tiny to say the stuff that I have said. But I wanted to get the word out quickly, because its friday evening and it would be a shame if someone stopped playing because he had no promising solution for the update yet.
I can only recommend trying V3 because so far it looks like the perfect answer if you loved v3.1 and want to continue your dominant run without changing your tactic majorly in the middle of the season. Have a fun weekend guys <3
I think we are too, its friday then!
I just finished the season, as I said before, I caught the team in the middle/end of the season and I made a point of starting a save with them in bad shape (they had lost the last 5 games). After a few games I noticed that I was losing a lot of goals and taking a lot of goals too so I changed my mentality from positive to balanced (I changed after the game against Werder Bremen) I still ended up conceding a goal from Bayern, the ball hit the post during a foul and went back to Muller lol. With a balanced mentality and lowering the tempo, it seems to be working very well. I still managed to qualify for the Europa League.
YUSH4N said: I think we are too, its friday then!
(i was in 12 position when started the save)
I'm a BVB-Fan for more than 30 years irl (and yes, I'm doing a Bayern-Save. As a CM/FM-Veteran I dont care about these matters haha) and loved Dan when he was with us. In former FMs when I had him in my team he was a goal-scoring machine from corners as well, always becoming one of my starting CDs. I also love how literally every other player looks small and skinny next to him irl.
I just finished the season, as I said before, I caught the team in the middle/end of the season and I made a point of starting a save with them in bad shape (they had lost the last 5 games). After a few games I noticed that I was losing a lot of goals and taking a lot of goals too so I changed my mentality from positive to balanced (I changed after the game against Werder Bremen) I still ended up conceding a goal from Bayern, the ball hit the post during a foul and went back to Muller lol. With a balanced mentality and lowering the tempo, it seems to be working very well. I still managed to qualify for the Europa League.
Congratulations my friend. Leading Stuttgart from 12 to EL in that few games is quite impressive. I noticed, that you're probably scoring good from corners (or set pieces in general), right? I recognized a certain one legged french Giant scoring a bunch of goals, that must have come from Corners
RawJah said: Congratulations my friend. Leading Stuttgart from 12 to EL in that few games is quite impressive. I noticed, that you're probably scoring good from corners (or set pieces in general), right? I recognized a certain one legged french Giant scoring a bunch of goals, that must have come from Corners
I'm a BVB-Fan for more than 30 years irl (and yes, I'm doing a Bayern-Save. As a CM/FM-Veteran I dont care about these matters haha) and loved Dan when he was with us. In former FMs when I had him in my team he was a goal-scoring machine from corners as well, always becoming one of my starting CDs. I also love how literally every other player looks small and skinny next to him irl.
I'm also a Borussia fan, but let's say I support football when it's well played! That's why I started a save with Stuttgart, I think they are playing very well and putting pressure on the opponent, as is the case with this tactic, and it fits perfectly. Zagadou's goals were from corners, along with Waldemar Anton, another excellent defender! But the rest of them, especially the goals from Guirassy and Milot, were all well-worked plays, very beautiful to watch.
if i started a save in the previous patch would i be better off using the previous tactics also?
KOLFM said: if i started a save in the previous patch would i be better off using the previous tactics also?
Wouldn't matter what patch your save was in mate, it would've been updated to reflect the new patch
KOLFM said: if i started a save in the previous patch would i be better off using the previous tactics also?
There's hasn't been any M.E. changes between the patches and the difference due to the changes in fm-arena tactic testing DB.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/9963-fm-arena-tactic-testing-league-has-been-updated/
CBP87 said: Wouldn't matter what patch your save was in mate, it would've been updated to reflect the new patch
Thanks for that! Strangely the old tactic is working a lot better for me!
KOLFM said: Thanks for that! Strangely the old tactic is working a lot better for me!
It will still work mate but maybe not as effective as it once was or against the top tactics now
CBP87 said: It will still work mate but maybe not as effective as it once was or against the top tactics now
Thanks for the advice! Which version of your tactic is best currently?
KOLFM said: Thanks for the advice! Which version of your tactic is best currently?
https://fm-arena.com/table/29-patch-24-3-0/?pos_data=%7B_2_-_2_._3_-_2_._5_-_2_._6_-_2_._8_-_2_._10_-_2_._17_-_2_._19_-_2_._21_-_2_._23_-_2_%7D&author_name=CBP87&mirror=2&asym=2#options
Lapidus said: There's hasn't been any M.E. changes between the patches and the difference due to the changes in fm-arena tactic testing DB.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/9963-fm-arena-tactic-testing-league-has-been-updated/
Not a fact.