babemocni1988 said: Perfect,then explane me why i couldnt win on the start against Leeds,Everton Bournemouth and Wolves...ahh i needed lucky even there,come on pal! Expand
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
Lapidus said: Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters. Expand
Ok pal thats your opinion and i have mine,i respect you and all of you who doesnt agree with me,i really love to play this game and sometimes Its realy frustrating,good FM to everyone!
@babemocni1988, in FM nothing is predetermined and there are only probabilities and when you understand that the game becomes much more enjoyable.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
babemocni1988 said: and starting thinking like you guys just i can not understand who should be unlucky here me or Arsenal or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them Expand
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
Lapidus said: I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him. Expand
But the question is who was lucky there,me or Arsenal?😀
Lapidus said: As I can see no one was lucky/unlucky in that match everyone got what he deserved and you could win it if you prevented the departure of Alex Telles Expand
How is that when you sad that against all big teams u need to have a lucky to beat them I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5
babemocni1988 said: I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5 Expand
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power.
Lapidus said: Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power. Expand
Sure nice explaned,so lets everybody play with Liverpool Barca and City and then maybe we dont need so lucky in every match,where is the point of that,how was possible to win almoust every match in first season with West Ham and also another save with Bologna where i won instantly very easy in first year..i supose i got lucky in all games even with such a small team like Bologna..
Instant Result. I can play the whole season and upload again if you want to. I stopped there because 8 point is a massive gap between 1st and 2nd position. And also I dont think there will be a problem to win the league with your team. You just need to manage your team condition
ta2199 said: Instant Result. I can play the whole season and upload again if you want to. I stopped there because 8 point is a massive gap between 1st and 2nd position. And also I dont think there will be a problem to win the league with your team. You just need to manage your team condition Expand
It would be nice if you have a time,i have continued to play and results seems beter,i am in the 4 final of the Champions cup,won Carabao but in league i strugle,liverpool come close to 1 point,but its normal,too many games to play,and fitness condition is not perfect,signed 2 new players for better deapth
babemocni1988 said: It would be nice if you have a time,i have continued to play and results seems beter,i am in the 4 final of the Champions cup,won Carabao but in league i strugle,liverpool come close to 1 point,but its normal,too many games to play,and fitness condition is not perfect,signed 2 new players for better deapth Expand
That's great to hear. For a predicted 8th team that would be amazing result. Glad to hear that you enjoy the game again.
babemocni1988 said: Sure nice explaned,so lets everybody play with Liverpool Barca and City and then maybe we dont need so lucky in every match Expand
I'm just saying that if you want to dominate the most challenging leagues in the game such as English Premier League, La Liga and some other leagues then your team must be as strong as Barca, Man City or Liverpool.
Do you think SI doesn't test things at all?
If it was possible to dominate English Premier League with West Ham using some cheating tactic then SI would fixed that immediately because in that case one of the most important part of the game was irrelevant, I'm talking about buying/developing the best players for your team.
You should never expect to dominate the best leagues in the with a mid table club even using the most effective tactics because something like that would be very unrealistic and SI will never allow that, of course, it's still possible to win those leagues with a mid table club or even a bottom table club but the probability of doing that is quite low.
@babemocni1988, imagine... you pick West Ham, plug some cheating tactic and BOOM you've got 100pts at the end of the season.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted.
Lapidus said: @babemocni1988, imagine... you pick West Ham, plug some cheating tactic and BOOM you've got 100pts at the end of the season.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted. Expand
so there is possibility that tactic also stop working in second season because SI doesnt alow you to win again in the same way?
babemocni1988 said: so there is possibility that tactic also stop working in second season because SI doesnt alow you to win again in the same way? Expand
No
The point he's making is, you get 100 points with West Ham if you're VERY LUCKY
That's why it doesn't happen 2 seasons in a row
The reason you get 100 points with West Ham is if you get VERY lucky
babemocni1988 said: And wining with Bologna also supose i got lucky,i got it🤫 Expand
Winning with Bologna is easier than getting 100 points with West Ham.
EPL is a lot harder this year, Serie A is a lot easier to get 85 points, you just have to hope Juventus doesn't go 90+.
If you want to really test your theory, go do five COMPLETELY NEW saves with West Ham and see if you get 100 points every season with no editing/reloading, you probably won't, I'd bet on it.
tacticseeker said: Winning with Bologna is easier than getting 100 points with West Ham.
EPL is a lot harder this year, Serie A is a lot easier to get 85 points, you just have to hope Juventus doesn't go 90+.
If you want to really test your theory, go do five COMPLETELY NEW saves with West Ham and see if you get 100 points every season with no editing/reloading, you probably won't, I'd bet on it. Expand
Can you go and play with Bologna and won in first season like me then we can discuss😉
I'm playing with Leamington for six or seven years (in game) with the same tactic. It started on the lowest division of england and climbed up to Premier League. Last season I ended in 14th, and this season I am currently in 5th. For reference, I was predicted last place, with extremely low odds. The best player of my team is presented below, and as you can see, his CA should not be much higher than 100 (I can check next season when I sell him, with in-game editor).
I have yet to play a season where my team didn't overachieve by a lot. If opponents can't learn my tactic after six or seven seasons, I don't think they ever will.
ZaZ said: I'm playing with Leamington for six or seven years (in game) with the same tactic. It started on the lowest division of england and climbed up to Premier League. Last season I ended in 14th, and this season I am currently in 5th. For reference, I was predicted last place, with extremely low odds. The best player of my team is presented below, and as you can see, his CA should not be much higher than 100 (I can check next season when I sell him, with in-game editor).
I have yet to play a season where my team didn't overachieve by a lot. If opponents can't learn my tactic after six or seven seasons, I don't think they ever will. Expand
Nice to see that!Maybe i will change my opinion after seeing this,just nobody show me proof like this playing with the same tactic all the time,with underdog,with the same team,maybe after this I will start my new long save and try not to get frustrated so much,thanks pal!
My long time save will be Udinese Calcio in Serie A.I love that club and there is one of my favorite players Rodrigo De Paul,i would try to build a team around him,with just Italian and Argentine players,that is club philosophy
babemocni1988 said: I just think so that you can not be lucky all season in 38 games
You don't need to be lucky in every match of the season.
Against weaker opponents it's enough just not to be unlucky and you win due to having better players and using a better tactic.
Against stronger or equal opponents you need some luck to win, especially playing away.
How many teams in the league are stronger than your team? About 7 teams? So you need to be lucky in 10-12 matches during the season.
Lapidus said: You don't need to be lucky in every match of the season.
Against weaker opponents it's enough just not to be unlucky and you win due to having better players and using a better tactic.
Against stronger or equal opponents you need some luck to win, especially playing away.
How many teams in the league are stronger than your team? About 7 teams? So you need to be lucky in 10-12 matches during the season.
Perfect,then explane me why i couldnt win on the start against Leeds,Everton Bournemouth and Wolves...ahh i needed lucky even there,come on pal!
babemocni1988 said: Perfect,then explane me why i couldnt win on the start against Leeds,Everton Bournemouth and Wolves...ahh i needed lucky even there,come on pal!
Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
Lapidus said: Your team media prediction is 8th. Wolves media prediction is 10th. Bournemouth media prediction is 13th.
Those teams aren't much worse than your team and if you are a bit unlucky in matches against them then you can lose.
But all that really doesn't matter because at the end of the season you'll find your team's sitting above your media prediction before the season and that's the only what matters.
Ok pal thats your opinion and i have mine,i respect you and all of you who doesnt agree with me,i really love to play this game and sometimes Its realy frustrating,good FM to everyone!
and starting thinking like you guys just i can not understand who should be unlucky here me or Arsenal
or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them
@babemocni1988, in FM nothing is predetermined and there are only probabilities and when you understand that the game becomes much more enjoyable.
Even with the strongest team and the most effective tactic there's still a very small probability of not wining the league and there's still a very small probability of doing that with the weakest team and the lest effective tactic.
Having a stronger team and using a more effective tactic just increases the probability of winning matches and it doesn't guarantee anything... sadly
babemocni1988 said: and starting thinking like you guys just i can not understand who should be unlucky here me or Arsenal
or I should be lucky to get a draw agains them
I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
Lapidus said: I see Alex Telles was sent off due to receiving the 2nd yellow card and after that Arsenal scored the 2nd goal but that could be prevented by reducing his tackling aggression or subbing him.
But the question is who was lucky there,me or Arsenal?😀
babemocni1988 said: But the question is who was lucky there,me or Arsenal?😀
As I can see no one was lucky/unlucky in that match everyone got what they deserved and you could win it if you prevented the departure of Alex Telles
Lapidus said: As I can see no one was lucky/unlucky in that match everyone got what he deserved and you could win it if you prevented the departure of Alex Telles
How is that when you sad that against all big teams u need to have a lucky to beat them
I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5
OH another positive result,how lucky I am and happy
babemocni1988 said: I am trying to change my mentality and try to be happy whenever i get positive results against top 5 teams even if i get 20 shoots on goal and they got 5
You are on the right track, pal.
When you play against stronger opponents you always want to have some luck on your side.
Imagine, you are West Ham(pred. 10th) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15th) and let's assume that with West Ham you can create 3 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then your team might not score because 3 scoring chances isn't that many.
Now imagine, you are Man City(pred. 1st) and you play vs Leeds(pred. 15the) and let's assume that with Man City you can create 10 scoring chances in a match vs Leeds and if you are unlucky then probably your team still score 1-2 goals because 10 scoring chances is quite a lot.
So having a better team always has benefits because with a better team you can still win matches where you are quite unlucky.
babemocni1988 said: OH another positive result,how lucky I am and happy
in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power. 
Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power
Lapidus said: Such matches is the reason why you always want to have the best team in the game because as you can see with your current team you got only 2.0 xG and that wasn't enough to score more than 1 goal and win the match but if you were Barca or Man City then probably you got 5.0 xG and your team scored 3 or more goals and you easily won it.
in this game it requires having both ingredients: the most effective tactic and the best players. As you can see having only one of the ingredients doesn't give you The Ring of Eternal Power. 
The game isn't only about having the most effective tactic but it's also about having the best players.
You focus too much on having the best tactic and you expect too much from having it but having the best players is no less important. Just try using any average tactic with Barcelona, Man City, Liverpool or PSG and you find yourself wining everything most of time even using an average tactic.
To get The Ring of Eternal Power
Sure nice explaned,so lets everybody play with Liverpool Barca and City and then maybe we dont need so lucky in every match,where is the point of that,how was possible to win almoust every match in first season with West Ham and also another save with Bologna where i won instantly very easy in first year..i supose i got lucky in all games even with such a small team like Bologna..
babemocni1988 said: holiday mode or?
Instant Result. I can play the whole season and upload again if you want to. I stopped there because 8 point is a massive gap between 1st and 2nd position. And also I dont think there will be a problem to win the league with your team. You just need to manage your team condition
ta2199 said: Instant Result. I can play the whole season and upload again if you want to. I stopped there because 8 point is a massive gap between 1st and 2nd position. And also I dont think there will be a problem to win the league with your team. You just need to manage your team condition
It would be nice if you have a time,i have continued to play and results seems beter,i am in the 4 final of the Champions cup,won Carabao but in league i strugle,liverpool come close to 1 point,but its normal,too many games to play,and fitness condition is not perfect,signed 2 new players for better deapth
babemocni1988 said: It would be nice if you have a time,i have continued to play and results seems beter,i am in the 4 final of the Champions cup,won Carabao but in league i strugle,liverpool come close to 1 point,but its normal,too many games to play,and fitness condition is not perfect,signed 2 new players for better deapth
That's great to hear. For a predicted 8th team that would be amazing result. Glad to hear that you enjoy the game again.
babemocni1988 said: Sure nice explaned,so lets everybody play with Liverpool Barca and City and then maybe we dont need so lucky in every match
I'm just saying that if you want to dominate the most challenging leagues in the game such as English Premier League, La Liga and some other leagues then your team must be as strong as Barca, Man City or Liverpool.
Do you think SI doesn't test things at all?
If it was possible to dominate English Premier League with West Ham using some cheating tactic then SI would fixed that immediately because in that case one of the most important part of the game was irrelevant, I'm talking about buying/developing the best players for your team.
You should never expect to dominate the best leagues in the with a mid table club even using the most effective tactics because something like that would be very unrealistic and SI will never allow that, of course, it's still possible to win those leagues with a mid table club or even a bottom table club but the probability of doing that is quite low.
@babemocni1988, imagine... you pick West Ham, plug some cheating tactic and BOOM you've got 100pts at the end of the season.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted.
Lapidus said: @babemocni1988, imagine... you pick West Ham, plug some cheating tactic and BOOM you've got 100pts at the end of the season.
Do you really think SI would allowed something like that?
If something like that was possible then what was the point in having such players as Messi or Ronaldo in your team? Or what was the point in trying to develop such players for your team? Or what was the point in becoming the richest club?
Many important areas in the game would be irrelevant in that case but SI spends a lot of its resources to develop those areas so they will never allow you to dominate the best leagues with mid-table clubs even using the most effective tactics.
Of course, you can get 100pts with West Ham but such result should be consider as a very lucky result and should not be expected and taken for granted.
so there is possibility that tactic also stop working in second season because SI doesnt alow you to win again in the same way?
babemocni1988 said: so there is possibility that tactic also stop working in second season because SI doesnt alow you to win again in the same way?
No
The point he's making is, you get 100 points with West Ham if you're VERY LUCKY
That's why it doesn't happen 2 seasons in a row
The reason you get 100 points with West Ham is if you get VERY lucky
tacticseeker said: No
The point he's making is, you get 100 points with West Ham if you're VERY LUCKY
That's why it doesn't happen 2 seasons in a row
The reason you get 100 points with West Ham is if you get VERY lucky
And wining with Bologna also supose i got lucky,i got it🤫
babemocni1988 said: And wining with Bologna also supose i got lucky,i got it🤫
Winning with Bologna is easier than getting 100 points with West Ham.
EPL is a lot harder this year, Serie A is a lot easier to get 85 points, you just have to hope Juventus doesn't go 90+.
If you want to really test your theory, go do five COMPLETELY NEW saves with West Ham and see if you get 100 points every season with no editing/reloading, you probably won't, I'd bet on it.
tacticseeker said: Winning with Bologna is easier than getting 100 points with West Ham.
EPL is a lot harder this year, Serie A is a lot easier to get 85 points, you just have to hope Juventus doesn't go 90+.
If you want to really test your theory, go do five COMPLETELY NEW saves with West Ham and see if you get 100 points every season with no editing/reloading, you probably won't, I'd bet on it.
Can you go and play with Bologna and won in first season like me then we can discuss😉
babemocni1988 said: Can you go and play with Bologna and won in first season like me then we can discuss😉
People are explaining to you and you're just not accepting it cause you don't want to hear it.
I've played FM for over 10 years and I've never had a second season worse than my first that I can remember.
It's not coded in the game, accept it.
I'm playing with Leamington for six or seven years (in game) with the same tactic. It started on the lowest division of england and climbed up to Premier League. Last season I ended in 14th, and this season I am currently in 5th. For reference, I was predicted last place, with extremely low odds. The best player of my team is presented below, and as you can see, his CA should not be much higher than 100 (I can check next season when I sell him, with in-game editor).
I have yet to play a season where my team didn't overachieve by a lot. If opponents can't learn my tactic after six or seven seasons, I don't think they ever will.
tacticseeker said: People are explaining to you and you're just not accepting it cause you don't want to hear it.
I've played FM for over 10 years and I've never had a second season worse than my first that I can remember.
It's not coded in the game, accept it.
Its not true,i just share my opinion,everyone have a right to do it so...
ZaZ said: I'm playing with Leamington for six or seven years (in game) with the same tactic. It started on the lowest division of england and climbed up to Premier League. Last season I ended in 14th, and this season I am currently in 5th. For reference, I was predicted last place, with extremely low odds. The best player of my team is presented below, and as you can see, his CA should not be much higher than 100 (I can check next season when I sell him, with in-game editor).
I have yet to play a season where my team didn't overachieve by a lot. If opponents can't learn my tactic after six or seven seasons, I don't think they ever will.
Nice to see that!Maybe i will change my opinion after seeing this,just nobody show me proof like this playing with the same tactic all the time,with underdog,with the same team,maybe after this I will start my new long save and try not to get frustrated so much,thanks pal!
My long time save will be Udinese Calcio in Serie A.I love that club and there is one of my favorite players Rodrigo De Paul,i would try to build a team around him,with just Italian and Argentine players,that is club philosophy
A very good discussion here, guys. I'll pin this thread.