Patch 22.2.0 tests
Test #1
Date: 08.12.2021
Test #2
Date: 08.12.2021
Patch 22.1.1 tests
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"Rush" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and "Rush 4" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and IWs instead of IFs.
I am moving this to be my main thread and adding a new tactic in. This is using some of the principles from Revelation and also my previous rush tactics.
Test Format
Collaborated with MomentaryBlink to share a testing database. Top 20 teams in the world, 76 game season, no continental or domestic cup competitions, all teams have injuries and suspensions wiped at the start of the test. Upper mid-table Inter and lower mid-table Napoli were used for the tests to most closely mirror Team A and Team B in the FM-Arena tests.
Results
Inter - 2.25 PPG; 209 Goals; 87 Allowed
Milan - 2.05 PPG; 205 Goals; 98 Allowed
I have also added the Goals scored stats as well as the PPG for this test run.
I have used inspiration from and based on Revelation 1.0 and I have also switched the IF to IW in the new version just posted
In trying to find new ways to make my tactic better I have looked at and got inspiration from the following tactics below.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1814-prophecy-amp-revelation/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1776-zaz-orange/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1752-arrowhead-2-0-4-2-2-1-1/
Rush Def
Following up on a reply to a post in @ZaZ Orange thread. I have posted the defensive/low intensity version I use of Rush when I am up in a game or playing on the Road/ need to rest players.
Change Log
Move Both CM to RPM (su) in the DM role to provide more defensive assistance.
Then I have moved almost all roles down to a Sup role if they were on attacking. Adjusted Mentality down to positive with shorter passing and only higher tempo.
One of the key in game adjustments I will do if possibly switch on play for set pieces which uses @ZaZ set pieces and will also turn on or off play out defence if the other team is pressing or not.
Rush ASYM
Uploading a new Asymmetrical version of my strikerless tactics for fm22.
This version features a good bit of positional changes. These changes allow for overloads into the box and crosses to the far post with late running attackers.
A great majority of the goals are coming from the central SS but the movement around does allow for some really excited goals.
Change Log from Rush -> Rush ASYM
*Left IF moved inside to SS with a Roam from position PI
*Left CMa moved outside to a IWa
*Both FBa changed to IWBa
*SKs to SKa
set pieces are still from @ZaZ
Test Results
RUSH V6
Change Log
SSa -> AMa
IFa -> IWa
RPMsu -> DLPsu
CMa PI changes - Added Run Wide With Ball and Cross More Often
FB PI Changes - Stay Wider and Cut Inside with Ball
Removed Mark tighter from all roles
Changed Mentality to Positive to align better the 22.2 ME
Test Results
This has been doing amazing only in testing but also live for both Underdog/Lower league teams and for World Class players/ Draft PVP.
I would love some feedback from users who have tried out the rush series.
Decided to do a second run on the tactic today still got a very positive result.
Switched one of the teams to Napoli from Milan
Inter - 232 GF; 112 GA; 2.01 PPG
Napoli - 205 GF; 127 GA; 1.88 PPG
Over all I'm pretty happy with this version I'm going to be doing some testing with some other player instructions but. If you've tried out this tactic let me know what you are seeing?
Good to see strikerless formations on FM22! How many goals did the shadow striker score in your tests?
Target Person said: Good to see strikerless formations on FM22! How many goals did the shadow striker score in your tests?
In the most recent one Lautaro Martinez for Inter was the Main SS he scored 54 and Victor Osimhen for Napoli switched between SS and IF and scored 41.
The IF in test is usually scoring about half the goals as the SS.
Would it be possible to have the above tactic tested please?
Dino said: Would it be possible to have the above tactic tested please?
Hi,
Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/
If your tactic is a tweak of someone else's tactic then give credits, provide a link to the original tactic and write up the tweaks you made.
Thank you.
Zippo said: Hi,
Please, read this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1661-how-fm-arena-picks-tactics-for-the-testing/
If your tactic is a tweak of someone else's tactic then give credits, provide a link to the original tactic and write up the tweaks you made.
Thank you.
I have provided an updated summary in the top post.
@Zippo, I've checked this tactic and it's a copy of Revelation tactic, including all the set pieces, players' instructions, team instructions, roles and duties.
The only change he made is Advanced Forward(A) to Shadow Striker(A) and that's all.
I don't know why people prefer telling fairy tales instead of saying the truth. I'm sure that fm-arena would still tested this tactic even with such small changes. Jeez... it seems that everyone want to get more credits than they deserve and that's not cool at all.
Chewbacca said: @Zippo, I've checked this tactic and it's a copy of Revelation tactic, including all the set pieces, players' instructions, team instructions, roles and duties.
The only change he made is Advanced Forward(A) to Shadow Striker(A) and that's all.
I don't know why people prefer telling fairy tales instead of saying the truth. I'm sure that fm-arena would still tested this tactic even with such small changes. Jeez... it seems that everyone want to get more credits than they deserve and that's not cool at all.
So, in this situation should I just post in the Revelation tactic thread for him to make a new tactic with SS then have him repost it? Even though I have been doing work with strikerless only so far this patch cycle? I want to make sure I'm following the guidelines.
Dino said: So, in this situation should I just post in the Revelation tactic thread for him to make a new tactic with SS then have him repost it? Even though I have been doing work with strikerless only so far this patch cycle? I want to make sure I'm following the guidelines.
Probably, the only what you need to do is deleting all that gibberish stuff from the OP and say that your tactic is a tweak of Revelation tactic with only 1 change AF(A) > SS(A) - end of story
P.S. I've seen many tactics still got tested even having less changes.
Chewbacca said: Probably, the only what you need to do is deleting all that gibberish stuff from the OP and say that your tactic is a tweak of Revelation tactic with only 1 change AF(A) > SS(A) - end of story
P.S. I've seen many tactics still got tested having even less changes.
I have removed all of that and also uploaded a new version I am running a test on now switching back to IW and seeing if that pulls similar results.
Results from most recent test run with changing IF to IW for Rush 4.
@Dino, I agree with @Chewbacca. Please, edit the OP and add that "Rush" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and "Rush 4" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and IWs instead of IFs.
Thank you.
Zippo said: @Dino, I agree with @Chewbacca. Please, edit the OP and add that "Rush" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and "Rush 4" tactic is revelation's tweak with SS instead of AF and IWs instead of IFs.
Thank you.
Thank you for the Feedback @Zippo I will make sure to make those changes. This is my first cycle making and posting tactics.
Nice rating for a strikerless tactic nonetheless! I don't have the players for this atm but will give it a go at some point. Would be interesting to know how the movement and performances of the SS compare to AF of the original tactic (i.e. more goals? More chances from through balls?).
Good job Dino for the tweak and @Zealot for the original tactic.
Adding a new version of Rush (Rush v5)
Set Pieces from @ZaZ
Uses shape of the Midfield diamond shape that was introduced in Rush which is a tweak from @Zealot in their Revelation 1.0.
New Testing Method
Collaborated with MomentaryBlink to share a testing database. Top 10 teams in the world, 76 game season, no continental or domestic cup competitions, all teams have injuries and suspensions wiped at the start of the test. Upper mid-table Inter was used for the tests to most closely mirror Team A and Team B in the FM-Arena tests.
Changes from Previous version of Rush and findings which lead to this adjustment and my belief that this is the best version of Rush.
Change Log
IF -> RMD (At)
SS -> AP (At)
CM -> MEZ (At)
RPM -> A (De)
FB -> IWB (At)
After have sessions of live play on Rush (Tweek of Revelation) it was noticed that a lot of chance creation and scored was coming from the IF and that the SS would lots of times drop in to the whole and distribute the ball to either the IF or the CM. So instead of trying to brute force the SS to be the main scoring threat this movement was instead encouraged.
The RMD and are now more of a scoring threat attacking violently and this will allow the more creative at times AP to either find them on the run or look for the chance them self as they are starting in a spot where it seemed unnatural for the SS to be in the previous version.
The Mez will add width and pull defenders to either allow for the cross, a through ball to the RMD running in to the gap or back to the AP/ IWB as an outlet.
Below are the Shape, Table, and Player Stats
Rush is a very good tactic for Man City. It got me the EPL title and the Champions League Cup.
Chewbacca said: Rush is a very good tactic for Man City. It got me the EPL title and the Champions League Cup.
Glad to see it’s doing well with Man City! Thank you for testing! Let me know what you think of the new one.
Dino said: Glad to see it’s doing well with Man City! Thank you for testing! Let me know what you think of the new one.
i dont think raumdeuter works.. or its just me?
saitjerome said: i dont think raumdeuter works.. or its just me?
So far has been doing well in my test but let me know what you find.
Following up on a reply to a post in @ZaZ Orange thread. I have posted the defensive/low intensity version I use of Rush when I am up in a game or playing on the Road/ need to rest players.
The I have moved almost all roles down to a Sup role if they were on attacking. Adjusted Mentality down to positive with shorter passing and only higher tempo.
One of the key in game adjustments I will do if possibly switch on play for set pieces which uses @ZaZ set pieces and will also turn on or off play out defence if the other team is pressing or not.
Let me know how your live play goes.
@Dino , hi.
You uploaded a wrong tactic.
Zippo said: @Dino , hi.
You uploaded a wrong tactic.
Ok the correct defensive tactic should be up now
Dino said: Ok the correct defensive tactic should be up now
Please, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/
Thank you.
Zippo said: Please, look at this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/9585/
Thank you.
Just saw that and was making the adjustment thank you for posting it!
After the most recent test of the Rush Def. I'm going to try and make my Rush 2.0 https://fm-arena.com/tactic/1827-dino-rush-2-0/ in to a lower intensity defensive tactic. Once I have done some testing, I will upload a new version.
I have uploaded a new version of Rush. This Rush ASYM has been performing very well in my testing league and scoring lots of goals. If you use it in your save switch side depending on where your personnel strength is of course.
If anyone has been using the Rush Strikerless tactics and has any feedback, please let me know.
Dino said: I have uploaded a new version of Rush. This Rush ASYM has been performing very well in my testing league and scoring lots of goals. If you use it in your save switch side depending on where your personnel strength is of course.
If anyone has been using the Rush Strikerless tactics and has any feedback, please let me know.
u might want to share some screenshots
edit: my bad, i didn't see pictures
saitjerome said: u might want to share some screenshots
edit: my bad, i didn't see pictures
No worries I'm trying follow the guidelines and keep tactics info at the top when I upload them.
If anyone has done any testing would love to see some feedback.