Madundwa said: War is never okay, especially when innocent people get hurt, but please let's stay away from politics on a gaming forum. Expand
There isn't politics here. Putin is an idiot that will be painted in history books together with dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mao. He kills opposition, arrests protesters and journalists that talk against him, controls media with propaganda, has his oligarch corrupt friends that support him in exchange for monopoly, among other several issues. Nothing against Russians, people there are innocent, but Putin is just evil.
ZaZ said: There isn't politics here. Putin is an idiot that will be painted in history books together with dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mao. He kills opposition, arrests protesters and journalists that talk against him, controls media with propaganda, has his oligarch corrupt friends that support him in exchange for monopoly, among other several issues. Nothing against Russians, people there are innocent, but Putin is just evil. Expand
I don't disagree with most of your comments, I don't agree with war either. History will paint him as it will, I really didn't want to comment more on the political issue but here goes: What is the Casus Belli for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Correct me if I am wrong, Isn't it due to an agreed upon treaty whereby Ukraine was not allowed to join NATO and thereby not having NATO bases in Ukraine which would result in NATO missiles within close proximity of Russian soil?
Madundwa said: I don't disagree with most of your comments, I don't agree with war either. History will paint him as it will, I really didn't want to comment more on the political issue but here goes: What is the Casus Belli for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Correct me if I am wrong, Isn't it due to an agreed upon treaty whereby Ukraine was not allowed to join NATO and thereby not having NATO bases in Ukraine which would result in NATO missiles within close proximity of Russian soil? Expand
That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions.
ZaZ said: That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions. Expand
I am not justifying the murder of innocent people! I am just saying there are other entities at play here, justification or not, who voted for who does not really matter because when all things are said and done you will see that all those nations voted according to their allegiances irrespective of right or wrong. It could also be said that Cuba at the time wanted to join a defensive alliance with Russia. I suppose the fundamental difference is that US did not invade Cuba at the time but financed "the bay of pigs" situation. Don't get me wrong, I am against any war. As for Intelligence services, it could also be said that Russian intelligence services might have perceived some form of threat to their security in order to justify "their" actions. I do not condone any massacre, I am just playing devil's advocate and presenting a different point of view.
ZaZ said: That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions. Expand
I'm sorry but you brush aside some very good points made by Madundwa by saying 'that's bullshit' and then you go on to say absolutely ridiculous things like Putin is ordering a genocide and he is like Hitler. You should stick to making tactics, you are very good at that, but geopolitics and history are not your forte, clearly.
No-one is defending Putin. He is WRONG and he needs to stop this offensive immediately. I agree with you that he is a corrupt dictator, but he is also a patriot, and he is, in his eyes, defending his country from aggression. Ukraine is also a corrupt government, you know... You are seeing things in black or white, when things are much more complex than that. What do you have to say about the Ukrainian government bombing the Donbass for the past 8 years, killing 13,000 people, for example? What do you have to say about NATO's expansion to the East of Europe? You expect Putin to just sit there quietly and say nothing, and just accept that the USA put more and more weapons and soldiers all around Russia? Do you think the USA would accept having weapons and soldiers placed by China or Russia in Canada, Mexico and Cuba? Of course not, we saw what happened the last time!
The West has some responsibility in this conflict too. Putin has been ostracised and humiliated by the West for the past 20 years, and he has had enough! All he wants is Ukraine to stay neutral, like Finland, for example. He has been asking for this for years and years, and he was never given a straight answer. He was even told to 'piss off' and 'mind his own business' by a EU official when he traveled to Brussels to ask why the EU was making an economic deal with Ukraine that was going to hurt Russia, without involving Russia in the negociations. That is unaccceptable! We need to stop this war immediately by reassuring Putin that Ukraine will never join NATO. But thanks to people like you, we are escalating the conflict, risking nuclear war, damaging relations with Russia and pushing them into the arms of China, and the big losers will be EU countries. Plus, we will have an alliance between 2 big nuclear powers (Russia and China), which will make the world even more dangerous. Well done! Great outcome for us!
I don't wanna argue since I can't change the way you think, but it seems like you think this is a matter between USA and Russia. There seems to be a misconception that EU needs USA to protect them, but in reality, USA gets more from NATO than the other way around. You should check what NATO really is and when it can be activated. It's not an alliance to protect the world peace as some people might think, but simply a pact of mutual defence.
Anyway, I won't argue with you about the war, I'll just say I disagree with your points and keep it like that.
At least this war is useful to show how incompetent is the military of Russia and how outdated is their technology. They might have a handful of top grade equipment, but not enough to be a threat to anyone.
ZaZ said: I don't wanna argue since I can't change the way you think, but it seems like you think this is a matter between USA and Russia. There seems to be a misconception that EU needs USA to protect them, but in reality, USA gets more from NATO than the other way around. You should check what NATO really is and when it can be activated. It's not an alliance to protect the world peace as some people might think, but simply a pact of mutual defence.
Anyway, I won't argue with you about the war, I'll just say I disagree with your points and keep it like that.
At least this war is useful to show how incompetent is the military of Russia and how outdated is their technology. They might have a handful of top grade equipment, but not enough to be a threat to anyone. Expand
I didn't say this was a matter between the USA and Russia. I'm saying the USA is partly responsible for the situation (although of course Putin is the guilty one here). The USA instigated a coup in 2014 and has been encouraging Ukraine to turn away from Russia and look towards the EU and the West. This is a matter between Russia and Ukraine, and the ones paying the price of course are the Ukrainian people. NATO is a mutual defence pact against the USSR. Now that the USSR is gone and that Russia has a GNP smaller than that of Texas, there is no need for NATO anymore. Like you said, their army is no longer a threat to us, but we still have to be careful because they have many nuclear weapons. Don't forget, also, that it is in the USA's interest to create tensions between the EU and Russia. That way, they profit economically.
The Russian army might be incompetent, but it is still powerful. You seem to be very anti-Russian and looking to dismsiss them in any way possible, you are not being objective here. Of course it is not strong enough to attack the EU or the USA, but it is powerful enough to crush Ukraine and take whatever territories they want. They know the West is going to let them take over Ukraine, or at least the East of Ukraine. And by giving weapons to Ukraine, without helping them with actual soldiers, we are encouraging the massacre that is happening. Ukrainians are very brave, but they are going to get massacred if things continue like this.
Your view about the situation is the 'conventional' one, fed to us by mainstream media, by the USA and the EU. But in diplomacy, you have to make an effort to see things from your 'opponent's' perspective too. And if you listen to many experts on Russia and Ukraine, diplomats and geopoliticians, they are saying what I am saying.
You compared Putin to Hitler, and I disagree. Hitler wanted to take over the world and committed a genocide. Putin has not tried to do either of those things. He is not stupid or crazy, like you seem to think, he knows full well that he will never be able to invade the EU or even recreate the Soviet Union. But he does want to recreate a Great Russia, yes, and that involves taking back part of Ukraine, and also Belarus, so that the population of Russia reaches a critical point, which is 200 million people. Right now it has 'only' 144 million, with a huge territory and small population density. He wants more population, and I am pretty sure he will be happy with 200 million. And we are going to let him do that.
Alexis said: I didn't say this was a matter between the USA and Russia. I'm saying the USA is partly responsible for the situation (although of course Putin is the guilty one here). The USA instigated a coup in 2014 and has been encouraging Ukraine to turn away from Russia and look towards the EU and the West. This is a matter between Russia and Ukraine, and the ones paying the price of course are the Ukrainian people. NATO is a mutual defence pact against the USSR. Now that the USSR is gone and that Russia has a GNP smaller than that of Texas, there is no need for NATO anymore. Like you said, their army is no longer a threat to us, but we still have to be careful because they have many nuclear weapons. Don't forget, also, that it is in the USA's interest to create tensions between the EU and Russia. That way, they profit economically.
The Russian army might be incompetent, but it is still powerful. You seem to be very anti-Russian and looking to dismsiss them in any way possible, you are not being objective here. Of course it is not strong enough to attack the EU or the USA, but it is powerful enough to crush Ukraine and take whatever territories they want. They know the West is going to let them take over Ukraine, or at least the East of Ukraine. And by giving weapons to Ukraine, without helping them with actual soldiers, we are encouraging the massacre that is happening. Ukrainians are very brave, but they are going to get massacred if things continue like this.
Your view about the situation is the 'conventional' one, fed to us by mainstream media, by the USA and the EU. But in diplomacy, you have to make an effort to see things from your 'opponent's' perspective too. And if you listen to many experts on Russia and Ukraine, diplomats and geopoliticians, they are saying what I am saying.
You compared Putin to Hitler, and I disagree. Hitler wanted to take over the world and committed a genocide. Putin has not tried to do either of those things. He is not stupid or crazy, like you seem to think, he knows full well that he will never be able to invade the EU or even recreate the Soviet Union. But he does want to recreate a Great Russia, yes, and that involves taking back part of Ukraine, and also Belarus, so that the population of Russia reaches a critical point, which is 200 million people. Right now it has 'only' 144 million, with a huge territory and small population density. He wants more population, and I am pretty sure he will be happy with 200 million. And we are going to let him do that. Expand
Again, I disagree with you. NATO is a pact of mutual defense against any threat, not only against Russia. It's a permanent alliance that allows countries to feel safe without spending too much on militar budget. NATO is not something bad and it's definitely needed.
About me being manipulated by the mainstream media, that's your opinion and I respect it. I also think you are being manipulated by the Russian propaganda, but none of us will admit being manipulated, right? I still hold that Putin is a dictator genocide.
Guys....normally i wouldn`t post in Threads like these because there is a TON of Propaganda on BOTH sides ("West"-"East" ) trying to influence the normal people and "discussing" in the internet is kinda difficult imo.
I just want to say, that there are many, many different reasons (global-politically thinking) for this and other wars. Putin`s red line is and was Ukraine, which was clear since end of 2013 and the coup, Nuland ("f*ck the EU" ), Maidan (Sniper..), NATO`s spreading into the east. An attacking war under lies (like the USA and part of Europe did in the past, Iraq, Libya, Jugoslavia) is always wrong and should be punished.
WE...the normal people...the non-elites are suffering under it AND get outplayed by interest-groups (big business, politics, some media) to go on each other and dont focus on part of our governments, who are responsable for many wrong things. WE...normal human beings who just want to work, get paid, dreaming for a better future, are conditioned to sheeps in many cases.
All i want is FREEDOM for everyone who wants to live and dont want to hurt other people. It`s not important which religion, sexuality someone has IF it is private and not ideological, political. Don`t get outplayed by all these different powers and try (!) not to think in GOOD, BAD...in black and white. There are so much greyzones in between and Oligarchs in Ukraine, Russia, Sheikhs in UA, Qatar, Politicians in France, Germany, UK, USA & Co are only for the Elites...not for US... ..the normal people.
WE..the people are suffering from death, losing our sons at the fronts in war. NOT THEM!
That`s from me. Pls dont spread hate. Spread tolerance for different opinions. Try to give hope and stay against war..AROUND THE WORLD. Don`t choose ONE Side..choose the people and PEACE ♥
To end this war We people would have to remove our politics NOT only in Russia but also in Eourope, USA and Ukraine. NATO didnt do anything to help Ukraine( to get more info check 2+4 German unifocation talks in 1990 also check how NATO betrayed Ukraine in 1994 in Budapest) learn history! Check facts NOT only in social media or TV looks different sources as well.
Stop war everywhere Africa! Middle east Asia are less popular in TV, especialy wars in Arica but also bloody!
It's interesting article, since have been written in 18/08/2014 and pretty easily explain the factors and situation, before the war. It's like we see the results now, from what happened back in time where the majority of earth didn't had a clue.
In 21/03/2022; it's pretty hard to find something which can try to explain the situation in neutral mode.
Hi everyone!
I want that we all show our support to brave Ukrainian people in their resistance against unprecedent Russian aggression!
Our thoughts are with the people of Ukrainian.
Peace!
I'm vey sad about what's going in the world... we had covid and now we have a war
I hope the madness end soon...
I just hope the war ends and Russian can get rid of Putin, their dictator.
To show our support for Ukrainian people I've put Ukrainian flag on our logo!
War is never okay, especially when innocent people get hurt, but please let's stay away from politics on a gaming forum.
Madundwa said: War is never okay, especially when innocent people get hurt, but please let's stay away from politics on a gaming forum.
There isn't politics here. Putin is an idiot that will be painted in history books together with dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mao. He kills opposition, arrests protesters and journalists that talk against him, controls media with propaganda, has his oligarch corrupt friends that support him in exchange for monopoly, among other several issues. Nothing against Russians, people there are innocent, but Putin is just evil.
ZaZ said: There isn't politics here. Putin is an idiot that will be painted in history books together with dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mao. He kills opposition, arrests protesters and journalists that talk against him, controls media with propaganda, has his oligarch corrupt friends that support him in exchange for monopoly, among other several issues. Nothing against Russians, people there are innocent, but Putin is just evil.
I don't disagree with most of your comments, I don't agree with war either. History will paint him as it will, I really didn't want to comment more on the political issue but here goes: What is the Casus Belli for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Correct me if I am wrong, Isn't it due to an agreed upon treaty whereby Ukraine was not allowed to join NATO and thereby not having NATO bases in Ukraine which would result in NATO missiles within close proximity of Russian soil?
I remember a time when Russia wanted to put it's missiles in Cuba and America prevented them from doing so because it was too close to America.
Madundwa said: I don't disagree with most of your comments, I don't agree with war either. History will paint him as it will, I really didn't want to comment more on the political issue but here goes: What is the Casus Belli for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Correct me if I am wrong, Isn't it due to an agreed upon treaty whereby Ukraine was not allowed to join NATO and thereby not having NATO bases in Ukraine which would result in NATO missiles within close proximity of Russian soil?
That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions.
ZaZ said: That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions.
I am not justifying the murder of innocent people! I am just saying there are other entities at play here, justification or not, who voted for who does not really matter because when all things are said and done you will see that all those nations voted according to their allegiances irrespective of right or wrong. It could also be said that Cuba at the time wanted to join a defensive alliance with Russia. I suppose the fundamental difference is that US did not invade Cuba at the time but financed "the bay of pigs" situation. Don't get me wrong, I am against any war. As for Intelligence services, it could also be said that Russian intelligence services might have perceived some form of threat to their security in order to justify "their" actions. I do not condone any massacre, I am just playing devil's advocate and presenting a different point of view.
ZaZ said: That's bullshit. Ukraine joining a defensive alliance is not enough reason for Putin to order a genocide. The only countries that voted in favour of Russia were Eritrea, North Korea, Belarus and Syria. All rest of the world condemned the attack (except some that abstained, like China and Venezuela), and you can bet they don't take their information from Twitter or normal media, all of them have intelligence services and embassies to help make decisions.
I'm sorry but you brush aside some very good points made by Madundwa by saying 'that's bullshit' and then you go on to say absolutely ridiculous things like Putin is ordering a genocide and he is like Hitler. You should stick to making tactics, you are very good at that, but geopolitics and history are not your forte, clearly.
No-one is defending Putin. He is WRONG and he needs to stop this offensive immediately. I agree with you that he is a corrupt dictator, but he is also a patriot, and he is, in his eyes, defending his country from aggression. Ukraine is also a corrupt government, you know... You are seeing things in black or white, when things are much more complex than that. What do you have to say about the Ukrainian government bombing the Donbass for the past 8 years, killing 13,000 people, for example? What do you have to say about NATO's expansion to the East of Europe? You expect Putin to just sit there quietly and say nothing, and just accept that the USA put more and more weapons and soldiers all around Russia? Do you think the USA would accept having weapons and soldiers placed by China or Russia in Canada, Mexico and Cuba? Of course not, we saw what happened the last time!
The West has some responsibility in this conflict too. Putin has been ostracised and humiliated by the West for the past 20 years, and he has had enough! All he wants is Ukraine to stay neutral, like Finland, for example. He has been asking for this for years and years, and he was never given a straight answer. He was even told to 'piss off' and 'mind his own business' by a EU official when he traveled to Brussels to ask why the EU was making an economic deal with Ukraine that was going to hurt Russia, without involving Russia in the negociations. That is unaccceptable! We need to stop this war immediately by reassuring Putin that Ukraine will never join NATO. But thanks to people like you, we are escalating the conflict, risking nuclear war, damaging relations with Russia and pushing them into the arms of China, and the big losers will be EU countries. Plus, we will have an alliance between 2 big nuclear powers (Russia and China), which will make the world even more dangerous. Well done! Great outcome for us!
I don't wanna argue since I can't change the way you think, but it seems like you think this is a matter between USA and Russia. There seems to be a misconception that EU needs USA to protect them, but in reality, USA gets more from NATO than the other way around. You should check what NATO really is and when it can be activated. It's not an alliance to protect the world peace as some people might think, but simply a pact of mutual defence.
Anyway, I won't argue with you about the war, I'll just say I disagree with your points and keep it like that.
At least this war is useful to show how incompetent is the military of Russia and how outdated is their technology. They might have a handful of top grade equipment, but not enough to be a threat to anyone.
ZaZ said: I don't wanna argue since I can't change the way you think, but it seems like you think this is a matter between USA and Russia. There seems to be a misconception that EU needs USA to protect them, but in reality, USA gets more from NATO than the other way around. You should check what NATO really is and when it can be activated. It's not an alliance to protect the world peace as some people might think, but simply a pact of mutual defence.
Anyway, I won't argue with you about the war, I'll just say I disagree with your points and keep it like that.
At least this war is useful to show how incompetent is the military of Russia and how outdated is their technology. They might have a handful of top grade equipment, but not enough to be a threat to anyone.
I didn't say this was a matter between the USA and Russia. I'm saying the USA is partly responsible for the situation (although of course Putin is the guilty one here). The USA instigated a coup in 2014 and has been encouraging Ukraine to turn away from Russia and look towards the EU and the West. This is a matter between Russia and Ukraine, and the ones paying the price of course are the Ukrainian people. NATO is a mutual defence pact against the USSR. Now that the USSR is gone and that Russia has a GNP smaller than that of Texas, there is no need for NATO anymore. Like you said, their army is no longer a threat to us, but we still have to be careful because they have many nuclear weapons. Don't forget, also, that it is in the USA's interest to create tensions between the EU and Russia. That way, they profit economically.
The Russian army might be incompetent, but it is still powerful. You seem to be very anti-Russian and looking to dismsiss them in any way possible, you are not being objective here. Of course it is not strong enough to attack the EU or the USA, but it is powerful enough to crush Ukraine and take whatever territories they want. They know the West is going to let them take over Ukraine, or at least the East of Ukraine. And by giving weapons to Ukraine, without helping them with actual soldiers, we are encouraging the massacre that is happening. Ukrainians are very brave, but they are going to get massacred if things continue like this.
Your view about the situation is the 'conventional' one, fed to us by mainstream media, by the USA and the EU. But in diplomacy, you have to make an effort to see things from your 'opponent's' perspective too. And if you listen to many experts on Russia and Ukraine, diplomats and geopoliticians, they are saying what I am saying.
You compared Putin to Hitler, and I disagree. Hitler wanted to take over the world and committed a genocide. Putin has not tried to do either of those things. He is not stupid or crazy, like you seem to think, he knows full well that he will never be able to invade the EU or even recreate the Soviet Union. But he does want to recreate a Great Russia, yes, and that involves taking back part of Ukraine, and also Belarus, so that the population of Russia reaches a critical point, which is 200 million people. Right now it has 'only' 144 million, with a huge territory and small population density. He wants more population, and I am pretty sure he will be happy with 200 million. And we are going to let him do that.
Alexis said: I didn't say this was a matter between the USA and Russia. I'm saying the USA is partly responsible for the situation (although of course Putin is the guilty one here). The USA instigated a coup in 2014 and has been encouraging Ukraine to turn away from Russia and look towards the EU and the West. This is a matter between Russia and Ukraine, and the ones paying the price of course are the Ukrainian people. NATO is a mutual defence pact against the USSR. Now that the USSR is gone and that Russia has a GNP smaller than that of Texas, there is no need for NATO anymore. Like you said, their army is no longer a threat to us, but we still have to be careful because they have many nuclear weapons. Don't forget, also, that it is in the USA's interest to create tensions between the EU and Russia. That way, they profit economically.
The Russian army might be incompetent, but it is still powerful. You seem to be very anti-Russian and looking to dismsiss them in any way possible, you are not being objective here. Of course it is not strong enough to attack the EU or the USA, but it is powerful enough to crush Ukraine and take whatever territories they want. They know the West is going to let them take over Ukraine, or at least the East of Ukraine. And by giving weapons to Ukraine, without helping them with actual soldiers, we are encouraging the massacre that is happening. Ukrainians are very brave, but they are going to get massacred if things continue like this.
Your view about the situation is the 'conventional' one, fed to us by mainstream media, by the USA and the EU. But in diplomacy, you have to make an effort to see things from your 'opponent's' perspective too. And if you listen to many experts on Russia and Ukraine, diplomats and geopoliticians, they are saying what I am saying.
You compared Putin to Hitler, and I disagree. Hitler wanted to take over the world and committed a genocide. Putin has not tried to do either of those things. He is not stupid or crazy, like you seem to think, he knows full well that he will never be able to invade the EU or even recreate the Soviet Union. But he does want to recreate a Great Russia, yes, and that involves taking back part of Ukraine, and also Belarus, so that the population of Russia reaches a critical point, which is 200 million people. Right now it has 'only' 144 million, with a huge territory and small population density. He wants more population, and I am pretty sure he will be happy with 200 million. And we are going to let him do that.
Again, I disagree with you. NATO is a pact of mutual defense against any threat, not only against Russia. It's a permanent alliance that allows countries to feel safe without spending too much on militar budget. NATO is not something bad and it's definitely needed.
About me being manipulated by the mainstream media, that's your opinion and I respect it. I also think you are being manipulated by the Russian propaganda, but none of us will admit being manipulated, right? I still hold that Putin is a dictator genocide.
Guys....normally i wouldn`t post in Threads like these because there is a TON of Propaganda on BOTH sides ("West"-"East" ) trying to influence the normal people and "discussing" in the internet is kinda difficult imo.
I just want to say, that there are many, many different reasons (global-politically thinking) for this and other wars.
Putin`s red line is and was Ukraine, which was clear since end of 2013 and the coup, Nuland ("f*ck the EU" ), Maidan (Sniper..), NATO`s spreading into the east.
An attacking war under lies (like the USA and part of Europe did in the past, Iraq, Libya, Jugoslavia) is always wrong and should be punished.
WE...the normal people...the non-elites are suffering under it AND get outplayed by interest-groups (big business, politics, some media) to go on each other and dont focus on part of our governments, who are responsable for many wrong things.
WE...normal human beings who just want to work, get paid, dreaming for a better future, are conditioned to sheeps in many cases.
All i want is FREEDOM for everyone who wants to live and dont want to hurt other people.
It`s not important which religion, sexuality someone has IF it is private and not ideological, political.
Don`t get outplayed by all these different powers and try (!) not to think in GOOD, BAD...in black and white.
There are so much greyzones in between and Oligarchs in Ukraine, Russia, Sheikhs in UA, Qatar, Politicians in France, Germany, UK, USA & Co are only for the Elites...not for US...
..the normal people.
WE..the people are suffering from death, losing our sons at the fronts in war.
NOT THEM!
That`s from me. Pls dont spread hate. Spread tolerance for different opinions.
Try to give hope and stay against war..AROUND THE WORLD.
Don`t choose ONE Side..choose the people and PEACE ♥
To end this war We people would have to remove our politics NOT only in Russia but also in Eourope, USA and Ukraine. NATO didnt do anything to help Ukraine( to get more info check 2+4 German unifocation talks in 1990 also check how NATO betrayed Ukraine in 1994 in Budapest) learn history! Check facts NOT only in social media or TV looks different sources as well.
Stop war everywhere Africa! Middle east Asia are less popular in TV, especialy wars in Arica but also bloody!
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault#author-info
cadoni said: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault#author-info
Definite food for thought.
Madundwa said: Definite food for thought.
It's interesting article, since have been written in 18/08/2014 and pretty easily explain the factors and situation, before the war. It's like we see the results now, from what happened back in time where the majority of earth didn't had a clue.
In 21/03/2022; it's pretty hard to find something which can try to explain the situation in neutral mode.