I have been thinking about the last changes to the testing environment here at FM Arena. The new system takes the best of the AI tactics and plays them against the tactic being tested. I wondered what would be the best tactic against each of the AI tactics.
Those who have read any of my thoughts on this and other sites will know I like to run with 3 tactics that are easy to move between. With this in the back of my mind I decided to look at the Hall of Fame. I picked a couple of tactics based on good goal scoring and defence and then a 4-2-4, a 4-4-2 wide diamond and the 4-1-2-3 wide that dominated early.
The AI tactics in the FM Arena test environment are 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and 5-2-3. The results are points conceded.
So I am using the following tactics. Bombyte (Tweak) 4-2-4, Re-Cookie VI 4-4-2 wide diamond, and Cookie Shooter 4-1-2-3. I also sometimes use the Paradox Bomb 4-4-2 with 2 DM. Base is Re-Cookie VI, moves to Cookie Shooter by DM to ST, moves to Bombyte Tweak by AM to DM and wingers forward, and moves to Paradox Bomb by AM to DM. I would prefer just 3 tactics but can handle 4 as Paradox Bomb isn't used very often.
Against
4-2-3-1 I use Cookie Shooter with back up from Paradox Bomb
4-3-3 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
4-4-2 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
5-2-3 I use Bombyte Tweak with backup from Re-Cookie
Feel free to give it a try and let me know your thoughts. Hopefully helps someone.
How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here
CBP87 said: How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here Expand
I think if you train the 3 main tactics in terms of familiarity they will be fine. I train them in roles of the main tactic and in additional focus for the one I decide is best. It seems to work for me
If the first tactic isn't getting the results I am after I swap. Or if I am playing against a good side I choose the more defensive of the 2 tactics which is mostly the backup.
Mark said: I have been thinking about the last changes to the testing environment here at FM Arena. The new system takes the best of the AI tactics and plays them against the tactic being tested. I wondered what would be the best tactic against each of the AI tactics.
Those who have read any of my thoughts on this and other sites will know I like to run with 3 tactics that are easy to move between. With this in the back of my mind I decided to look at the Hall of Fame. I picked a couple of tactics based on good goal scoring and defence and then a 4-2-4, a 4-4-2 wide diamond and the 4-1-2-3 wide that dominated early.
The AI tactics in the FM Arena test environment are 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and 5-2-3. The results are points conceded.
So I am using the following tactics. Bombyte (Tweak) 4-2-4, Re-Cookie VI 4-4-2 wide diamond, and Cookie Shooter 4-1-2-3. I also sometimes use the Paradox Bomb 4-4-2 with 2 DM. Base is Re-Cookie VI, moves to Cookie Shooter by DM to ST, moves to Bombyte Tweak by AM to DM and wingers forward, and moves to Paradox Bomb by AM to DM. I would prefer just 3 tactics but can handle 4 as Paradox Bomb isn't used very often.
Against
4-2-3-1 I use Cookie Shooter with back up from Paradox Bomb
4-3-3 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
4-4-2 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
5-2-3 I use Bombyte Tweak with backup from Re-Cookie
Feel free to give it a try and let me know your thoughts. Hopefully helps someone.
Mark said: They are from the FM Arena testing results Expand
Yes but how do you know the results against for example 4-2-3-1? Tactic plays against all the other formations too. There is not a screenshot vs 4231 or 433 etc.
Hope you get my point this time
Now i get it. I misunderstood this line "The results are points conceded." I thought this was goals conceded but it was points. Not my native lang
CBP87 said: How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here Expand
There's a video by Evidence Based football that shows that the team tactical familiarity has a very small impact. The only time it had even a noticeable impact on his test was when he dropped it to 0, which never happens in the actual game anyway. So don't worry about changing tactics too much.
I have been thinking about the last changes to the testing environment here at FM Arena. The new system takes the best of the AI tactics and plays them against the tactic being tested. I wondered what would be the best tactic against each of the AI tactics.
Those who have read any of my thoughts on this and other sites will know I like to run with 3 tactics that are easy to move between. With this in the back of my mind I decided to look at the Hall of Fame. I picked a couple of tactics based on good goal scoring and defence and then a 4-2-4, a 4-4-2 wide diamond and the 4-1-2-3 wide that dominated early.
The AI tactics in the FM Arena test environment are 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and 5-2-3. The results are points conceded.
So I am using the following tactics. Bombyte (Tweak) 4-2-4, Re-Cookie VI 4-4-2 wide diamond, and Cookie Shooter 4-1-2-3. I also sometimes use the Paradox Bomb 4-4-2 with 2 DM. Base is Re-Cookie VI, moves to Cookie Shooter by DM to ST, moves to Bombyte Tweak by AM to DM and wingers forward, and moves to Paradox Bomb by AM to DM. I would prefer just 3 tactics but can handle 4 as Paradox Bomb isn't used very often.
Against
4-2-3-1 I use Cookie Shooter with back up from Paradox Bomb
4-3-3 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
4-4-2 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
5-2-3 I use Bombyte Tweak with backup from Re-Cookie
Feel free to give it a try and let me know your thoughts. Hopefully helps someone.
It has been working well for me.
How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here
CBP87 said: How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here
I think if you train the 3 main tactics in terms of familiarity they will be fine. I train them in roles of the main tactic and in additional focus for the one I decide is best. It seems to work for me
what do you mean by "with backup"?
Gracolas said: what do you mean by "with backup"?
If the first tactic isn't getting the results I am after I swap. Or if I am playing against a good side I choose the more defensive of the 2 tactics which is mostly the backup.
Mark said: I have been thinking about the last changes to the testing environment here at FM Arena. The new system takes the best of the AI tactics and plays them against the tactic being tested. I wondered what would be the best tactic against each of the AI tactics.
Those who have read any of my thoughts on this and other sites will know I like to run with 3 tactics that are easy to move between. With this in the back of my mind I decided to look at the Hall of Fame. I picked a couple of tactics based on good goal scoring and defence and then a 4-2-4, a 4-4-2 wide diamond and the 4-1-2-3 wide that dominated early.
The AI tactics in the FM Arena test environment are 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and 5-2-3. The results are points conceded.
So I am using the following tactics. Bombyte (Tweak) 4-2-4, Re-Cookie VI 4-4-2 wide diamond, and Cookie Shooter 4-1-2-3. I also sometimes use the Paradox Bomb 4-4-2 with 2 DM. Base is Re-Cookie VI, moves to Cookie Shooter by DM to ST, moves to Bombyte Tweak by AM to DM and wingers forward, and moves to Paradox Bomb by AM to DM. I would prefer just 3 tactics but can handle 4 as Paradox Bomb isn't used very often.
Against
4-2-3-1 I use Cookie Shooter with back up from Paradox Bomb
4-3-3 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
4-4-2 I use Re-Cookie VI with backup from Bombyte Tweak
5-2-3 I use Bombyte Tweak with backup from Re-Cookie
Feel free to give it a try and let me know your thoughts. Hopefully helps someone.
It has been working well for me.
for 4321 what should i use
Enok said: for 4321 what should i use
I would just go with a strong tactic like 4-2-4 Bombyte Tweak
How did you find these points? Are those goals conceded?
Bafici said: How did you find these points? Are those goals conceded?
They are from the FM Arena testing results
Mark said: They are from the FM Arena testing results
Yes but how do you know the results against for example 4-2-3-1? Tactic plays against all the other formations too. There is not a screenshot vs 4231 or 433 etc.
Hope you get my point this time
Now i get it. I misunderstood this line "The results are points conceded." I thought this was goals conceded but it was points. Not my native lang
CBP87 said: How is the tactical familiarity with the swapping of the tactics pal? I know its terms of instructions that the team will be familiar but in terms of roles how are they getting on? do you see a drop in rating? Could a right sided DW suddenly play a Left IW the next game? Sorry for the questions, I'm intrigued though as I think you're on to something here
There's a video by Evidence Based football that shows that the team tactical familiarity has a very small impact. The only time it had even a noticeable impact on his test was when he dropped it to 0, which never happens in the actual game anyway. So don't worry about changing tactics too much.