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base : https://fm-arena.com/thread/8486-bad-water-4222-cf-v2/
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As much as I love your contirbutions, one part of tactic testing is posting screenshots of the run you did with the tactic because it takes time for everyone to test however if we go to every single post you make you always detail the same screenshots of a Luton run with 81 points and always the same screenshots for player statistics (Adebayo with 32 Goals and Barkley with 13 Goals for example).
Not really sure how the admins havent picked that up just yet but maybe either @Droid or @Zippo could take a closer look at this please?
Otherwise we can all post 30 variations of a tactic in 1 hour with copy paste screenshots of one successful run we did in the past.
juwow said: As much as I love your contirbutions, one part of tactic testing is posting screenshots of the run you did with the tactic because it takes time for everyone to test however if we go to every single post you make you always detail the same screenshots of a Luton run with 81 points and always the same screenshots for player statistics (Adebayo with 32 Goals and Barkley with 13 Goals for example).
Not really sure how the admins havent picked that up just yet but maybe either @Droid or @Zippo could take a closer look at this please?
Otherwise we can all post 30 variations of a tactic in 1 hour with copy paste screenshots of one successful run we did in the past.
In fact, I can play the whole season with 38 tactics XD
I admit to using the same picture to save time, but he did play with multiple tactics
CSTG KANE said: In fact, I can play the whole season with 38 tactics XD
I admit to using the same picture to save time, but he did play with multiple tactics
Of course you can use 38 tactics in one season but that is not the point of the the run is it? If every user here takes time to load a season with 1 tactic and waits for the run to end so we can post it then the same should be applied to every user with no exceptions (even if its a tweak).
This just ensures a even playing field for everyone posting otherwise anyone would post countless variations of ANY tactic in amazing record time and that is not really the goal
juwow said: Of course you can use 38 tactics in one season but that is not the point of the the run is it? If every user here takes time to load a season with 1 tactic and waits for the run to end so we can post it then the same should be applied to every user with no exceptions (even if its a tweak).
This just ensures a even playing field for everyone posting otherwise anyone would post countless variations of ANY tactic in amazing record time and that is not really the goal
Okay, then I promise that I won't do this in the future, and I'll send out my test environment, and the data from each test
CSTG KANE said: In fact, I can play the whole season with 38 tactics XD
I admit to using the same picture to save time, but he did play with multiple tactics
This is an important issue that @juwow has raised and indeed most of us have not noticed it.
We all, because of the rules that FMArena has, run the tests over and over again to upload screenshots. You, however, are trying to save time that the rest of us could be doing too. I hope the moderators will address the issue. @Zippo & @Droid
CSTG KANE said: Okay, then I promise that I won't do this in the future, and I'll send out my test environment, and the data from each test
Thank you for understanding Kane! I speak for myself because a lot of the time I am making a run and half way I can see straight away that the tactic or the tweak was so bad that I dont even keep going you know, of course if I could post it straight away it would save me a lot of time but that´s also part of the fun you know :P
dzek said: This is an important issue that @juwow has raised and indeed most of us have not noticed it.
We all, because of the rules that FMArena has, run the tests over and over again to upload screenshots. You, however, are trying to save time that the rest of us could be doing too. I hope the moderators will address the issue. @Zippo & @Droid
I've had screenshots of different test environments before and then realized that I could use the same one and have been using it ever since, I apologize and I promise I won't do it again!
I know it seems unfair but Kane is not wrong too, there is no correlation between FM test results and FM Arena benchmarking results. We should be able to test our ideas without wasting this amount of time. Testing stuff with Liverpool/Man City/Man Utd in a season run is just stupid.
letsgo9 said: I know it seems unfair but Kane is not wrong too, there is no correlation between FM test results and FM Arena benchmarking results. We should be able to test our ideas without wasting this amount of time. Testing stuff with Liverpool/Man City/Man Utd in a season run is just stupid.
But there is a correlation between the rules of the website and all members. Its a matter of respect for common rules that we all need to abide for otherwise none of your posts would get tested... One thing is you test a tactic that you tweaked for ages to make it work and another is just spamming variations of something you think it might work until you hit the jackpot. You might as well create your own test league like FM Arena and then not even bother posting or no?
Of course that after you play the game for a while you understand that most tactics that score here 45 plus points are gonna do good in the game but if nobody tested the tactics and presented results from the runs we wouldnt even be here commenting this because EVERYTHING would have been tested. Simulating a season takes time, waitng for the result also takes time so lets not excuse somebody that is admittedly bending the rules.
juwow said: But there is a correlation between the rules of the website and all members. Its a matter of respect for common rules that we all need to abide for otherwise none of your posts would get tested... One thing is you test a tactic that you tweaked for ages to make it work and another is just spamming variations of something you think it might work until you hit the jackpot. You might as well create your own test league like FM Arena and then not even bother posting or no?
Of course that after you play the game for a while you understand that most tactics that score here 45 plus points are gonna do good in the game but if nobody tested the tactics and presented results from the runs we wouldnt even be here commenting this because EVERYTHING would have been tested. Simulating a season takes time, waitng for the result also takes time so lets not excuse somebody that is admittedly bending the rules.
U r right bro, but in the end is just a strategy to slow the queue down.
and btw Kane has done more here than most of members lately, he made the tactics result average rise up in 1 week with his ideas, gotta show some respect too
@Delicious Come back to us, I miss you and I love you
letsgo9 said: and btw Kane has done more here than most of members lately, he made the tactics result average rise up in 1 week with his ideas, gotta show some respect too
I mean... I started my first comment in this post by saying "As much as I love your contirbutions".... Nobody discredits Kanes work, we should all be grateful for all the amazing members we have that put countless of hours to make things happen and for us to enjoy FM a bit more.
It doesnt mean that just because he scores high or submits a lot that he can copy paste or do whatever right? Thats not rly respect if you ask me :P
letsgo9 said: and btw Kane has done more here than most of members lately, he made the tactics result average rise up in 1 week with his ideas, gotta show some respect too
Thanks for the support bro, but on some level this behavior is cheating on my part, and it's not what I want
juwow said: I mean... I started my first comment in this post by saying "As much as I love your contirbutions".... Nobody discredits Kanes work, we should all be grateful for all the amazing members we have that put countless of hours to make things happen and for us to enjoy FM a bit more.
It doesnt mean that just because he scores high or submits a lot that he can copy paste or do whatever right? Thats not rly respect if you ask me :P
I think that's exactly why I need to play by the rules, it's an example behavior, I've done it wrong before, thanks for the correction
@letsgo9 We all follow some rules here. Otherwise everyone would do whatever they wanted and we would generally be like animals in the jungle.
Think of me uploading 30 tactics in 10 minutes without running a test on my own and 5 people also doing that. The rest would wait around 1-2 weeks to test their tactics. It is also not disrespect from us to @CSTG KANE but the opposite. As I have said above in my previous post we could all do this but we don't do it out of respect for the time others waste trying their own tactics.
dzek said: @letsgo9 We all follow some rules here. Otherwise everyone would do whatever they wanted and we would generally be like animals in the jungle.
Think of me uploading 30 tactics in 10 minutes without running a test on my own and 5 people also doing that. The rest would wait around 1-2 weeks to test their tactics. It is also not disrespect from us to @CSTG KANE but the opposite. As I have said above in my previous post we could all do this but we don't do it out of respect for the time others waste trying their own tactics.
Good point! Although I tested all my previous tactics, I was too lazy to take screenshots and upload them, thus causing some consequences that were detrimental to the ARENA forums, and I apologize, I won't do that again!
I've updated the screenshots with the recent tactical data, so keep monitoring!
There is no doubt that rules should be followed. However, I think it is best to test the tactics several times in advance, and then do it after feeling the effect is good. Of course, it is better to have some own ideas in the tactics. As I have said before, many minor details can't beat RNG if you change a few of them. We can't let ARENA waste resources just testing one of our idea changes, which I think everyone can think of a dozen in a moment, and then only need 10 minutes of vacation test screenshots.
Kane actually has his own tactical post on the PGM forum, many of which he has researched before. However, the rules do need to be strictly adhered to, which is also to respect ARENA's efforts.
dzek said: @letsgo9 We all follow some rules here. Otherwise everyone would do whatever they wanted and we would generally be like animals in the jungle.
Think of me uploading 30 tactics in 10 minutes without running a test on my own and 5 people also doing that. The rest would wait around 1-2 weeks to test their tactics. It is also not disrespect from us to @CSTG KANE but the opposite. As I have said above in my previous post we could all do this but we don't do it out of respect for the time others waste trying their own tactics.
I saw other members doing the same, I choosed to no expose them... but in the end Its my choice and I undestand them.
I Think we should have a commom pre test testing league before post stuff here. This is my idea.
A Smile said: Kane actually has his own tactical post on the PGM forum, many of which he has researched before. However, the rules do need to be strictly adhered to, which is also to respect ARENA's efforts.
Yes, the rules should be respected. please Keep monitoring.
letsgo9 said: I saw other members doing the same, I choosed to no expose them... but in the end Its my choice and I undestand them.
Sure it's everyone's choice whether to talk about something they see happening and it's wrong but, as I said before, that's disrespectful to others who take the time to test their tactics, take screenshots and generally follow the rules that have been laid out here at FMArena to date.
The purpose of this whole conversation, at least from me, is not to condemn @CSTG KANE but to say the right thing based on the rules that have been set and to vindicate those who follow the rules faithfully. It is not a matter of right or wrong in general. There are several different ways of operating but once these rules are set we have to follow them. I think it's clear.
@juwow, thank you for your vigilance and contribution, it's much appreciated.
@A Smile, @dzek, @letsgo9, thank you for your opinions and involvement in this situation, it's much appreciated.
@CSTG KANE, I see only one fair solution to this situation: you have to fix all the threads that have the same screenshots and add correct ones. Until then non of your tactics will be tested. Let me know when you're done.
Cheers.
letsgo9 said: I know it seems unfair but Kane is not wrong too, there is no correlation between FM test results and FM Arena benchmarking results. We should be able to test our ideas without wasting this amount of time. Testing stuff with Liverpool/Man City/Man Utd in a season run is just stupid.
Mate, this is the very reason i am not posting anything on Arena at the moment. If you lurk around you will find more this case-scenario happened in the past as well.
It's not like Zippo and Droid should babysitting everything happen around either, but at certain point i felt, why do i am even wasting 10-12 minutes to run a vacation at this point?
We need some rules, after that we can ask to Arena's staff if they can implement them.
But if at the end of the day it's just to make minimal-tweak scenario i don't really believe that running vacations over and over has any logic-behind it(Basically you gonna show how the RNG flipped? Or how Antony can't score?). I mean, i did checked some time ago on my test league and i found like the exatcly same tactics were posted like 4-5 times.
Even developing an "OCR" or trying to implement the CTRL+P function on it(Not 100% you can get the PI from it as well) is gonna just make the test it self slower then anything.
I mean you can literally at that point run 10 leagues vacation and getting 10 different tactics every-cycle(just an example).
The first thing I suggested to implement in order to eliminate the screenshot issue was to somehow make them mandatory within the UI and I gave an example of the process of uploading bugs within the official SI forum.
Now regarding the problem with the same screenshots in different tactics I can't think of anything practical on FMArena's part, so it's up to the person uploading the tactic not to do that.
Zippo said: @juwow, thank you for your vigilance and contribution, it's much appreciated.
@A Smile, @dzek, @letsgo9, thank you for your opinions and involvement in this situation, it's much appreciated.
@CSTG KANE, I see only one fair solution to this situation: you have to fix all the threads that have the same screenshots and add correct ones. Until then non of your tactics will be tested. Let me know when you're done.
Cheers.
I've changed the screenshots of the four tactics I recently posted, and I apologize for the trouble
letsgo9 said: I Think we should have a commom pre test testing league before post stuff here. This is my idea.
i strongly agree with your thought！