( TYPE 1 ) Fast, short and weak striker ( 137 CA ) as Target Forward
( TYPE 2 ) Strong, tall and slow striker ( 140 CA ) as Target Forward
RESULT:
As you can see despite having a higher "star" rating as TF and a higher CA with TYPE 2 attributes, it still produces a worse result.
Btw, there's nothing surprising in that result because as I said, we've tested that many times already, just read through this thread or some others.
If you're getting any different results in your own tests then it's because you test for not enough matches or your testing mythology has issues.
Cheers. Expand
<3 Thanks for the test! Have your stored the resulting save games by chance? I would love to compare some of the stats from both test cases to see where it differs from the one I've ran!
Zippo said: It has been tested and proven many times that Acceleration and Pace attributes are much more valuable than Strength and Jumping Reach for any striker role.
Speaking other words, if you have TF role in your tactic then with a fast and short striker for that role your result always will be much better than if you had a strong, tall but slow striker. Expand
I've just had a lightbulb moment. The reason small, speedy "target" forwards outrank more traditional target forwards has absolutely nothing at all to do with target forwards. It's because (being quick and fast) they're better at pressing.
Pressing is king. The reason speed and acc kill everything else in the attribute tests is because they're the #1 best way to improve your pressing effectiveness. Not only does the ball presser arrive sooner, but all his teammates will rotate quicker behind him.
That quicker forward gets to his man quicker, but he also is quicker to break into space if the press wins the ball elsewhere on the field.
If the meta wasn't so gegenpress-dominated, I think there'd be more room for big, slow target forwards. Currently, for a slow forward to pull their weight they need to bring something else to the party, whether that's playmaking or set pieces or something.
Sincere apologies if everyone else realized this ages ago and I'm just a little slow to pick up on it
detroitrex said: I've just had a lightbulb moment. The reason small, speedy "target" forwards outrank more traditional target forwards has absolutely nothing at all to do with target forwards. It's because (being quick and fast) they're better at pressing.
Pressing is king. The reason speed and acc kill everything else in the attribute tests is because they're the #1 best way to improve your pressing effectiveness. Not only does the ball presser arrive sooner, but all his teammates will rotate quicker behind him.
That quicker forward gets to his man quicker, but he also is quicker to break into space if the press wins the ball elsewhere on the field.
If the meta wasn't so gegenpress-dominated, I think there'd be more room for big, slow target forwards. Currently, for a slow forward to pull their weight they need to bring something else to the party, whether that's playmaking or set pieces or something.
Sincere apologies if everyone else realized this ages ago and I'm just a little slow to pick up on it Expand
I like your idea. That probably holds some truth. I would also consider the opposition matchup in this case. The fact that centerbacks in the test league have 13 Acceleration, 13 Pace, 15 Jumping Reach, 15 Strength.
The "short" striker has 15 acceleration and 15 pace. So despite lacking jumping reach and strength, he has a clear advantage in overall speed compared to the centerbacks he plays.
The "tall" striker has 12 Acceleration, 12 Pace, 18 Jumping Reach, 16 Strength. The "tall" striker is disadvantaged speed-wise but has a jumping reach and slight strength advantage over the centerbacks he plays.
Obviously, there are more changes than the 4 attributes listed. However, it seems to me that losing the pace advantage for a moderate aerial advantage seems not to be worth it. Even for the target forward role.
Zippo said: @svonn
This tactic - https://fm-arena.com/thread/8910-wingplay-target-forward-test-tactic/
( TYPE 1 ) Fast, short and weak striker ( 137 CA ) as Target Forward
( TYPE 2 ) Strong, tall and slow striker ( 140 CA ) as Target Forward
RESULT:
As you can see despite having a higher "star" rating as TF and a higher CA with TYPE 2 attributes, it still produces a worse result.
Btw, there's nothing surprising in that result because as I said, we've tested that many times already, just read through this thread or some others.
If you're getting any different results in your own tests then it's because you test for not enough matches or your testing mythology has issues.
Cheers.
<3 Thanks for the test! Have your stored the resulting save games by chance? I would love to compare some of the stats from both test cases to see where it differs from the one I've ran!
Zippo said: It has been tested and proven many times that Acceleration and Pace attributes are much more valuable than Strength and Jumping Reach for any striker role.
Speaking other words, if you have TF role in your tactic then with a fast and short striker for that role your result always will be much better than if you had a strong, tall but slow striker.
I've just had a lightbulb moment. The reason small, speedy "target" forwards outrank more traditional target forwards has absolutely nothing at all to do with target forwards. It's because (being quick and fast) they're better at pressing.
Pressing is king. The reason speed and acc kill everything else in the attribute tests is because they're the #1 best way to improve your pressing effectiveness. Not only does the ball presser arrive sooner, but all his teammates will rotate quicker behind him.
That quicker forward gets to his man quicker, but he also is quicker to break into space if the press wins the ball elsewhere on the field.
If the meta wasn't so gegenpress-dominated, I think there'd be more room for big, slow target forwards. Currently, for a slow forward to pull their weight they need to bring something else to the party, whether that's playmaking or set pieces or something.
Sincere apologies if everyone else realized this ages ago and I'm just a little slow to pick up on it
detroitrex said: I've just had a lightbulb moment. The reason small, speedy "target" forwards outrank more traditional target forwards has absolutely nothing at all to do with target forwards. It's because (being quick and fast) they're better at pressing.
Pressing is king. The reason speed and acc kill everything else in the attribute tests is because they're the #1 best way to improve your pressing effectiveness. Not only does the ball presser arrive sooner, but all his teammates will rotate quicker behind him.
That quicker forward gets to his man quicker, but he also is quicker to break into space if the press wins the ball elsewhere on the field.
If the meta wasn't so gegenpress-dominated, I think there'd be more room for big, slow target forwards. Currently, for a slow forward to pull their weight they need to bring something else to the party, whether that's playmaking or set pieces or something.
Sincere apologies if everyone else realized this ages ago and I'm just a little slow to pick up on it
I like your idea. That probably holds some truth. I would also consider the opposition matchup in this case. The fact that centerbacks in the test league have 13 Acceleration, 13 Pace, 15 Jumping Reach, 15 Strength.
The "short" striker has 15 acceleration and 15 pace. So despite lacking jumping reach and strength, he has a clear advantage in overall speed compared to the centerbacks he plays.
The "tall" striker has 12 Acceleration, 12 Pace, 18 Jumping Reach, 16 Strength. The "tall" striker is disadvantaged speed-wise but has a jumping reach and slight strength advantage over the centerbacks he plays.
Obviously, there are more changes than the 4 attributes listed. However, it seems to me that losing the pace advantage for a moderate aerial advantage seems not to be worth it. Even for the target forward role.