It is similar to Somali 4-3-3 but I think it will score well and is very different to most of the top tactics as it uses IW’s and no strikers. I want to see how far we can push IWs and strikerless on this match engine.
If anyone else has had some testing experience with either of those i’d love to hear from you and your results.
ZaZ said: Look at the two tactics on the top of the table. They are the same, just changing the role of wingers and strikers. As you can see, results are very close, because W-Su + AF-At has similar performance to F9-Su + IF-At. Maybe they wouldn't work as well without the SS-At or the RPM-Su behind them, or even the IWB-At. In short, there are some roles that make other roles play better. Expand
Blue legacy has the AF + DW-Su pairing and other tactics use 1x F9 with 2x IF-At so I thought I had the pairings covered. But it must be more complex than that like you said with the other roles.
Interesting that the AF didn't increase the amount of goals scored. Not sure if this means that F9 is better than AF on this match engine or IFs really benefit a lot from having a F9 paired with them.
DeviAngel said: I use it since the Milan game...Since the 433 tactic that I used is not consistent for me... After the Milan game (marked with red) I started using this tactic with the AF.
Btw Bologna is marked with yellow because Its another manager that I added with the Calcite 6 tactic
Since Push The Right is one of the highest goals for tactics on FM Arena I decided to tweak the tactic to make it score even more goals while being almost as stable as the original tactic.
I wonder if having low Punching is more important than high Agility. Both are maxed in the table but the table doesn't go negative. Has anyone looked into this?
ZaZ said: I have tested a bit and it seems like Libero without offside trap works better than three ball playing defenders. I was going to keep checking other things but got side tracked with other tests. Expand
Have you tried force opponents inside when running a back 3? I noticed a trend on knaps tactics awhile back that back 4 were better with force outside and back 3 seemed better with force inside. Haven't tested myself though.
I tested CM-At in my testing league and the points per match is same/slightly worse but the goal difference is a lot worse. I only did 3 test runs though.
One suspect flaw with the testing league I use is wing positions tend to have players with higher acceleration, pace and dribbling which are known to produce better results even at same CA.
ZaZ said: I tried something similar with CM-At instead of DW and it worked pretty well. Expand Interesting, I think I underrate CM-At but I will do some testing to compare.
Here’s my previous anecdotal experience with a lone CM-At in the midfield. Possession regained is mostly in opponents or our penalty area so CM-At isn’t doing much to regain possession. In build up if CM-At gets the ball then it draws all the teammates to the centre. When CM-At doesn’t have the ball and team is in the penalty area then CM-At arrives unmarked for a goal attempt.
Have you tested Vol-At or do you always keep the same back 5?
This tactic uses two IFs for their goal scoring output and supports them with F9s and a DW on the right to push up the field and cross from the byline into the penalty area.
Set pieces are from ZaZ Blue 4.0.
Holiday test with Southampton. 68 points compared to 64pts from my previous tactic Somali 4-3-3 which tested well here on FM arena
I'm experimenting on a new version of this tactic right now. Changing the defensive wingers. Will post an update with results once I'm happy with the changes.
ZaZ said: Those results are from my custom league, which is England only and all players have maximum consistency, important matches, natural fitness and minimum injury proneness. Can't compare that with other leagues. (You can get the save or editor data on the first post of Blue.) Expand
If anyone else has had some testing experience with either of those i’d love to hear from you and your results.
Changes made from Somali 4-3-3
- DW-Su changed to CM-Su and player instructions added to CM-Su.
Blue legacy has the AF + DW-Su pairing and other tactics use 1x F9 with 2x IF-At so I thought I had the pairings covered. But it must be more complex than that like you said with the other roles.
After the Milan game (marked with red) I started using this tactic with the AF.
Btw Bologna is marked with yellow because Its another manager that I added with the Calcite 6 tactic
So far grea tweak mate
I’m glad you like it.
Changes made:
F9 on the right to AF
Here's the results I had with Leeds:
Thanks.
This is from an earlier match engine
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lPT4_8f9cI5giRNMMeFPIjFKzYg-Rp48Xx80KFT0nwU/edit#gid=0
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/451185-fm22-and-fm-21-fm-20-fm-19-recommended-tactic-list/page/470/#comment-13303886
https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/451185-fm22-and-fm-21-fm-20-fm-19-recommended-tactic-list/page/471/#comment-13305210
It seems knap has mostly given up on 3 at the back tactics on the latest match engine.
Focus play down the right was worse in my testing but you can try it for yourself and share the results
Have you tried force opponents inside when running a back 3? I noticed a trend on knaps tactics awhile back that back 4 were better with force outside and back 3 seemed better with force inside. Haven't tested myself though.
Would it work if you mirrored to be left hand side focussed?
Or changing F9s to AFs?
Yes, Changing the DW from MR to ML works fine.
If you change the F9s to AFs then you have to change the IFs to W-Su then you end up with a worse version of ZaZ Blue 4.0 haha.
One suspect flaw with the testing league I use is wing positions tend to have players with higher acceleration, pace and dribbling which are known to produce better results even at same CA.
Interesting, I think I underrate CM-At but I will do some testing to compare.
Here’s my previous anecdotal experience with a lone CM-At in the midfield. Possession regained is mostly in opponents or our penalty area so CM-At isn’t doing much to regain possession. In build up if CM-At gets the ball then it draws all the teammates to the centre. When CM-At doesn’t have the ball and team is in the penalty area then CM-At arrives unmarked for a goal attempt.
Have you tested Vol-At or do you always keep the same back 5?
Set pieces are from ZaZ Blue 4.0.
Holiday test with Southampton. 68 points compared to 64pts from my previous tactic Somali 4-3-3 which tested well here on FM arena
I'm experimenting on a new version of this tactic right now. Changing the defensive wingers. Will post an update with results once I'm happy with the changes.
Both AF changed to IW on attack.
Inverted wingers in this latest patch have improved a lot from my testing.
Southampton holiday test results 64 points
Ah okay thanks for clearing that up.