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Falbravv said:

With your tweaks, first match of the season

Some others matchs are delicious, you need to create a thread to test tweaks by fm A


Where can i download this tactic?
kjarus said:

I made some slight twists but mainly with your ideas and its absolute beast, and definitely better than 4222 that's been the meta:

- On offense you are occupying channels with 7 players instead of 6 - nightmare for defense.
- On defense you are tracking back with 7 players instead of 6.
- Defensive wingers absolute key to the tactic - on offense they pinch back the opposition fullback and open up channels, while on defense provide immediate support to your DM.
- A lot of verticality due to inverted wing backs allowing strikers/shadow striker position higher up the pitch.

Probably will need to fine tune the TI's and PI's but congrats on laying a very strong foundation.


Where can indownlod this tactic because i cant find it?
kjarus said:

I made some slight twists but mainly with your ideas and its absolute beast, and definitely better than 4222 that's been the meta:

- On offense you are occupying channels with 7 players instead of 6 - nightmare for defense.
- On defense you are tracking back with 7 players instead of 6.
- Defensive wingers absolute key to the tactic - on offense they pinch back the opposition fullback and open up channels, while on defense provide immediate support to your DM.
- A lot of verticality due to inverted wing backs allowing strikers/shadow striker position higher up the pitch.

Probably will need to fine tune the TI's and PI's but congrats on laying a very strong foundation.


Where can i donwnload this tactic with your Tweek?
Mark said: I do.

for player over 25 what kind of individual team training should i use or it doesnt change?
Mark said: There have been a lot of questions about training focus for each position over many months on this website. I have generally approached this by looking at which individual additional training focus would suit the position best. After analysing the machine learning weightings against attributes that each individual additional training focus covers I think a rolling approach of between 1 and 4 training focuses should be used depending on the position.

To take the most advantage of the additional focus you need to have some of the training sessions that allow individual focus training in your weekly training schedules. The best schedules for this are Aerial Defence, Ground Defence, Chance Creation and Chance Conversion.

Here are the Training Focus calculations based on the GS Ratings, with the best individual focus schedules in blue for each position.



If you look at the ones that score at 150 points and above and then stick them into a 12 week schedule it looks like this:



After the 12 week cycle you need to start again at the top.


Can I use them also for my U20 and U 18 team?
@ZaZ which are the best i individual training for positions for my youth Team U18 GK,CB,RB LB,DM,CM,RW LW,ST Thanks
Which are the most important attributes for positions so I can maximize them?@Zippo
Zippo said: Hi,

I'm sure you guys are aware that we've been testing player attributes to find out which of them make the most difference - https://fm-arena.com/table/18-fm23-attribute-testing/

But I think there might be people who don't fully understand why we're doing that and how it can be used in their saves.

So I just want to reveal you the power of the player attributes testing. :)

Here's a striker from our tactic testing league. He is about 145CA:



If you look at the results of our attribute testing then you'll notice that some attributes such as 'Acceleration' or 'Pace' makes a huge difference and some attributes such as 'Teamwork' or 'Off The Ball' almost doesn't make any difference.

Of course, it's important to understand that 'Acceleration' and 'Pace' attributes are much more expensive in terms of CA(Current Ability) than 'Teamwork' or 'Off The Ball' attributes. For example, 1 Point of Acceleration costs about 2.5CA when 1 Point of Teamwork costs only 0.3CA.

But what if take our striker and redistribute his CA from less important attributes such as Composure, Teamwork, Off The Ball, Long Shots to very important important attributes such as Acceleration and Pace keeping the same CA:


 

Notice that the CA of our striker hasn't changed, it's still 145CA, we just redistributed it.

Now, let's do a similar redistribution for other positions keeping the same CA and then test it:


Default Attributes Result:




Redistributed Attributes Result:







As you can see the points skyrocketed from 53 to 90 and the G.D. skyrocketed from +3 to +62 but all players had the same CA!

From the result above we can conclude if players have the same CA then it doesn't mean they are equal quality, some of them might be much better than others. Obviously, in FM some attributes such as Acceleration and Pace are game-changing attributes, they make a huge difference and you should prioritize them.


Will I upload the most important attributes for position and the individual train for positions(during their career)so we can maximize them .
Milakus said: Love it :love:



Which tactic are u Using?
@Chocorelo19 Which is better?
Ronaldo De Lima said: as default. No need to edit.

Can I use this tactick with a mid table team.Also what kind of AF should i look for.And with which preferred moves
MakeSuRE said: It should be 4231dm because I just uploaded the new version yesterday.

Thanks
Filer974 said: After 19 matches... Quiet

Which tactic
snlmanagerfootball said: FM KOREA_SNL LIBERO FOOTBALL ( 리베로를 활용한 전술) funny libero football

We tried to implement tactics using libero There are many shortcomings, but I hope you enjoy using them

I am Korean, so there may be a delay in answering your valuable questions.


I Will try and let u know,a full season with torino a mid table team.
ZaZ said: I am still testing, and it seems like Frost is not doing as well as last year. Fire (former Blue) is still good, so I would just use it until more results appear.

Ok thanks,when will u update that.
ZaZ said: Blue is very offensive, one of the highest goals per match from FM22, which is why I call it Fire. Green is very defensive, with one of the best defenses, which is why I call it Frost.

Where  to use the Red tactic and where to use the frost one .Thanks 🙏
dikson said: Here is my 3-3-1-3 inspired by ZAZ's 4-1-3-2 which works very well

Media prediction for Red Star?
Can u give us more explanation about the tactic?
ZaZ said: For training: https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/13573/
For set pieces, you can download the tactic and save all in a single file.


I should use the wed sa when i have 2 matches in a week and the sa when gave only 1 match?
ZaZ said: Blue 4.0 is a high intensity tactic based on the successful Blue 3.0 from FM21.

When in possession, inverted wing-backs cut inside to become midfielders while shadow striker becomes a third striker. Roaming playmaker is one of the most important players, covering the entire midfield to offer a short option for passing. The tactic scores goals from inside the box and distributes them evenly between advanced forwards and shadow striker, with assists distributed evenly between middle and flanks.






Use Solid Blue 4.0 when you want to hold a score. It concedes around 15% fewer goals than Blue 4.0. It's also a good idea to use Solid in the first half of matches against hard teams, to unsettle them, then change back to Blue during the second half, when their players are getting nervous.

You should use Light Blue 4.0 when you want to rest your players and avoid bookings, thinking about the rest of the season. I recommend using it anytime you think a match is under control, like two or three goals of difference. If your aim is to hold a score, use Solid Blue instead.



Keep in mind that Solid Blue 4.0 is just Blue 4.0 with cautious mentality. That means you don't need to train Solid Blue if you already train Light Blue, since it already has cautious mentality. In that case, just changing mentality during a match will be enough for the team to keep maximum tactical familiarity.

Instructions For people in consoles, below are the screenshots of team and player instructions.







Set Pieces Set pieces were optimized in collaboration with FM-Arena. Takers should be the best available. For throw ins, give preference to wing-backs of respective side, and for corners, give preference to wingers of respective side (unless someone has way higher corners, then leave it to better taker).








Training My training schedules focus on the following sessions:
- Recovery: injury risk.
- Quickness: most important attributes (pace and acceleration).
- Match practice and team bonding: cohesion and happiness.
- Teamwork, defensive shape and attacking movement: upcoming match bonuses and tactical familiarity.
- Match preview and rest: match day defaults (rest would become travel in away matches).

For additional focus, goalkeepers train reactions, wing backs and defensive midfielders train endurance, and all other players train quickness.

Below are training schedules for one match per week, two matches per week, and pre-season. I assume one match per week during pre-season, for revenue.



Keep in mind that some players will be unhappy with training schedule, complaining of lack of technical training, excess of quickness or something like that. Just ignore them!


Important Attributes Please, check the FM-Arena table for attributes ratings and this thread for Genie Scout ratings.

I'll post below the study of ykykyk05251, from a basketball manager development team, about the most important attributes for each position in Blue 3.0 RM (aka Blue DM). Keep in mind that not everything might translate to other tactics, but it's only natural that a good part of it actually does. Great thanks to ahstzl1989 for translating the entire text from Chinese. If anyone wants to see the original post, visit this thread from a Chinese FM forum.

Basic description.
1, we are a basketball manager game development team, the development process reference study a lot of FM settings, including the game engine.
    We have learned a lot about the game from the bursting shed, and the purpose of this post is to give back to the community

2, in order to analyze the mechanism of FM's game engine, as well as the degree of science, we designed a system for measuring the degree of influence of each player's attributes on the final victory or defeat in FM.

3. fm-arena.com gives a preliminary test of the relationship between player attributes and wins and losses in FM2021 and FM2022, which is of some reference value and inspiration for our work
    However, as it is only the non-professional work of amateurs, from the point of view of rigour, there are the following problems
    1) It only gives the results of which attributes have a greater and lesser impact on winning and losing for all players, but in reality, the key attributes are obviously different for different positions, and the results of the test clearly show that only those attributes that are important for all positions will be more important, while those attributes that are important only for certain positions will be less important in the test. For example, its test results show that shooting has almost no effect on winning, while explosive power has a big effect on winning and losing.
    2) Its test sample is insufficient, its test for each attribute was only carried out for about 900 matches simulated, but for a normally randomly distributed sequence, in general it needs to be randomized at 10,000 times before it converges relatively well to the mean.
    (3) The effect of attributes on wins and losses is non-linear, and the test only deducts 4 points from the attribute to investigate whether it has an effect on wins and losses, but sometimes, just because 4 points have no effect does not mean that 8 points also have no effect, and it is also possible that 2 points have an effect that is close to 4 points.
    4) There is a correlation between the impact of attributes on wins and losses, and its test of only changing one attribute at a time to test the impact on wins and losses can be interfered with by the correlation. For example, a breakthrough can lie on the ball to change direction and accelerate past a player, relying on physicality but not on discography, or it can rely on discography. If a player is good at both physicality and discography, then reducing his discography will not significantly affect his breakthrough effectiveness, as he can accelerate past people with a lie-back change of direction instead of discography.
    5) Different tactics require different attributes for each position of the player, and it is not rigorous to talk about which attributes have an impact on winning or losing away from specific tactics.

4, we use artificial intelligence to conduct attribute importance research, artificial intelligence technology used a deep neural network similar to Go Alpahgo.
    We fixed the tactic as the strongest tactic on fm-arena.com, ZaZ-Blue DM, for this experiment in order to analyse which attributes of players in each position have a greater impact on wins and losses under this tactic.
    We built an artificial intelligence system and trained the AI to design the best attribute assignment for each position's performance with the same CA for each player in the whole team.
    The approximate process was as follows: first, each attribute at each position was assigned the same value, then the neural network would try to change the value of certain attributes at certain positions (keeping CA constant) to see if the change had a positive or negative impact on wins and losses, and thus iterate over the multi-layer network to know what the AI thought was the best combination of 11 players.
    We obtained the convergence results by training roughly 140 machines for 3 weeks and simulating 40 million games.

5. To verify whether the best 11-player attribute allocation given by the AI is really the best, we conducted another result validation test
    Three groups of teams were designed, one with evenly distributed player attributes, another with the best 11-player attribute assignment given manually by experienced players based on their gaming experience, and the last group given by the AI. Put into a test league for 100,000 games, the AI's solution was significantly better than the human players' solution and far superior to the even distribution.

Conclusion.
For the ZaZ-Blue DM tactic, for each position we obtained the following levels of importance for the attributes (the values were normalized by 5 for ease of viewing, which should be sufficient accuracy for the game).


* Thanks @Mark for translating the table and @thegr8 for the formated spreadsheet.

Significance of use.
1, players can get the key attributes of each position according to the above table, 100 is the most critical attribute, while 1 is the least critical attribute, so as to guide the selection of materials.
2. The values in the above table can also be used as attribute weights to calculate the weighted average value of the attributes and then calculate the "Tactical True CA"
    Tactical True CA = Weighted average value of attributes * 20 - 121
    If the Tactical True CA is higher than the Player CA it means that the player is a good fit for the ZaZ-Blue DM tactics, the higher the Tactical True CA the better the fit.
    This is used for player selection
    For the convenience of future players playing in this way, the table we have given above is arranged according to the order in which the attributes are displayed in the player's interface, even if you don't write the program, you can also get the "Tactical True CA" in excel after quickly and manually entering the values of the attributes in three rows
3. For guidance on training, the attributes take up CA, so in order to train the players with the highest tactical true CA, we can train the attributes with the highest cost effectiveness
    The cost effectiveness of each attribute for each position can be measured by the attribute Tactical True CA Weight / Attribute CA Weight, the higher the value, the higher the attribute will make the player's attribute Tactical True CA higher if it increases the same CA.

Main limitations.
The current experiments are costly and non-replicable, engine versions are changed, tactics are changed, and the AI needs to be retrained without migration learning, so our next phase will focus on migration learning, where the results obtained from iterative training in the case of a certain version of a certain tactic are used as the basis for a new engine and a new tactic, and rapid iterations are made to obtain results in a new environment.


A FM Genie Scout rating based on the findings of the study can be downloaded here


Suggested Players Below is a post of @Mark on the best players for this tactic.

You should note that all saves will vary slightly with the attributes for players so it may not be the same in your game save. I will be using the ykykyky balanced ratings file and doing offsets for the positional ability of 2.5% for each point below the optimum 20 points which closely aligns with the FM Arena findings on the Playing Position Attributes Table.

I took about 200 with the best ratings and added a few from below that to pad out some of the Blue positions. Ended up with around 250 of the best players using the ykykyky balanced ratings file. After downloading all the ratings for all the positions I then manually added all the Playing Position ratings for all those players, but only if they were at least 15. I probably should have only used 18 and above but hey it is all done now. I have arranged it into the top 20 for each position. I also decided to add non ZaZ Blue positions for people not using ZaZ Blue tactic. Just remember these numbers may be different for each persons game. I have split the results into 2 sections, first for defenders and second for attackers.

Defenders



Attackers



I also selected the best from each position and put them into the ZaZ Blue structure. Here is what the best team would look like.



The team rating is 90.9 which is more than 4 points clear of the best side at the start my game save.



These rankings should work with any tactic even though they were originally designed for ZaZ Blue. Notice that in the main there aren't big margins at the top of the lists. If you were using ZaZ Blue you could easily drop a fair way down and have no noticeable impact on performance.


Preferred Foot Difference is minimal even for wing backs or wingers.

Role Ability Ignore role ability, or the stars showing how good a player is in his role. It's just cosmetic, showing the opinion of your assistant manager based on current ability and the role attributes. It's always gonna be low for IWB using the same foot as side, or DW with low defending attributes, despite making no difference in performance. In the end, what really matters is position rating, which should be at least accomplished (dark green).

Remember, the important attributes are not the ones highlighted in a player's role, but those that actually affect performance.


Player Traits Use player traits that promote player instructions. For example, if a role has "Move Into Channels", consider getting the trait with the same name. Avoid getting contradicting traits, like "Stays Back At All Times" or "Comes Deep To Get Ball" for players with the instruction "Get Further Forward". Traits without corresponding instructions, like "Plays One-Twos", are optional and should use common sense based on player attributes.

Opposition Instructions Empty. Change if you know what you are doing, but don't listen to your assistant manager.

Squad Management To be successful in football manager, you need to manage your team's playing time, which affects happiness, match sharpness, fatigue (can only see with sports scientist) and condition. Manage happiness and sharpness by making sure each player is getting enough minutes, and fatigue and condition by avoiding giving more minutes per week than they should play. Note that you can use friendlies and reserve matches to keep players sharp, but those matches have no effect on happiness.

My suggestion to manage the squad properly is to add two columns to selection info: "fitness and injuries > fatigue" and "stats (general) > general > games missed in a row". You can do that by right clicking any column name in squad screen, e.g., name, position, and selecting insert column. Make sure you don't use players with high fatigue and don't let any player reach too many games missed in a row (between 3 to 5 depending on your squad size).

To keep players fresh during the season and avoid injuries, I also recommend setting automatic training intensity to rest all players below excellent condition, as in the picture below.


Morale is another characteristic that needs management. The easiest way to increase morale is by winning, but you can also praise last (official) match, recent form (last 5 games) and training level, as well as criticize the same things. For last match and training level, threshold rating for increasing morale is 8.05+ for praising and 6.3- for warning. For recent form, you can safely praise anyone with rating 7.5+.

Finally, you also need to manage complacency and anxiety. Do that through team talks and shouts. The effect is based on players' hidden status and match odds, but some talks and shouts are usually more positive than others. For example, praising a winning team with shouts usually gives a positive response, as well as encouraging your team when not winning (losing or tie).

For team talk, I usually prefer to relieve pressure by telling them to play their natural game, then tell them individually that I have faith in them. At half time, I praise them if winning by at least two goals, otherwise I tell them I'm not happy. After match, I praise them for victories, tell them I'm unhappy when we don't win and sometimes warn against complacency after big wins. Keep in mind that you should be a little lighter with your team when playing against stronger opponents.

If one of your players gets a yellow card during a match, it might be a good idea to change his player's instruction to Ease Off Tackles to avoid being sent off. To do so, click on the player card by the bottom of match view, then click player instructions. You can also do the same for exhausted players if you run out of subs, as well as reducing his individual pressing trigger, to avoid injuries.


Bad Results It's very common for some people to have a series of poor results during a season and think the tactic stopped working. Below are ten reasons your team might stop winning for a while.

1. Complacency: When a team wins too much, players take victories for granted, not giving their best. To avoid that, you must motivate them with team talk, shouts and media handling.

2. Pressure: When playing against stronger teams, your players might feel pressured and perform worse. To avoid that, you need to relieve pressure on team talk, shouts and media handling.

3. Fatigue: When a player has high match and training loads, he builds fatigue. It's not the same of condition or match fitness and you need a sports scientist to see it in the medical centre. To avoid that, you need to rest from training and rotate your squad.

4. Morale: When you lose matches or certain events happen (like player getting unhappy), players lose morale. It is one thing that affects performance a lot, so it can create a bad spiral if not managed properly. To avoid that, praise and warn players based on last match score, form (last 5 matches) and training. You can also increase morale with team talk after matches, team meetings and other forms of interaction.

5. Poor form of players: Sometimes, strikers can get into a poor form that lasts a long time, like ten matches without scoring or more. I am not sure if there is an internal mechanic for that, but it certainly happens fairly often. If both your strikers get into poor form at once, it can get really hard to win matches. To avoid that, I believe you need to score to avoid the poor form, but it might also be just RNG.

6. Injuries: It is fairly common to have injuries by the mid of season, forcing you to use worse players or play in lower condition. To avoid that, you need good physios, lighter training during season, rest and rotate players.

7. Condition: By the middle of season, you usually have several championships being played at once, forcing you to play 2 or 3 matches a week for several weeks in a row. That can force you to rotate to players of lower quality or use players with lower condition. To avoid that, you need to rest players from training and build a balanced squad to rotate.

8. Match fitness: Injuries and lack of rotation can make your players lack match fitness, decreasing their performance. That can cause your team to suffer when you are forced to rotate because of injuries or tight schedule. To avoid that, either rotate your squad or use those players in reserve friendlies.

9. Hidden attributes: There are hidden attributes like consistency and important matches that make your players not have maximum performance during some matches. There are other attributes like injury proneness and dirtiness which can harm your chances of winning some matches. You cannot avoid that unless you hire players with better hidden attributes.

10. RNG (or randomness): Sometimes, your luck is just bad during certain matches. There is no way to avoid that, just keep playing and results should normalize eventually.


Custom Testing League My testing league is set to include only english competitions and english teams. All players from English Premier League and Sky Bet Championship are set to have maximum consistency, important matches and natural fitness, while having minimum injury proneness. The editor data can be downloaded here.

There are eight teams being tested, with each run using two teams from Premier League and two from Sky Bet Championship, simultaneously. Preview odds picked teams, having the best and worst odds of each league, as well as best and worst from middle ten odds. The teams from Premier League are Manchester City, Arsenal, Southampton and Norwich, and the teams from Sky Bet Championship are Bournemouth, Blackburn, Barnsley and Derby.

I tested tactics in holiday mode, three times for each group of teams, with results ranked between all tactics tested.


Changelog Blue 4.0
- Final set pieces.

Blue 3.3
- Improved set pieces.

Blue 3.2:
- Default throw-in attack routine.
- Force Opposition Outside.

Blue DM differences to Blue 3.0 (FM21):
- IWB-Su > IWB-At.
- CM-At > SS-At.
- SS-At (x2) > AF-At (x2).
- DLP-Su > RPM-Su
- Minor changes in set pieces.


Leave a comment below if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!


Hi,can u please post a download link for the set piece and for the training.Thanks a lot.