Jacko933 said: I just changed the BWM to a MEZa and I won my first game 11-1, 1st in league v 15th . 9-1 at half time, subs killed the momentum but not a bad 45 mins 😂 I changed it as the focus play is on left so it made sense to have another players operating in that area of the pitch. It would protease tog very open v better teams. Both CF grabbed a hat trick. My squad would probably be better suited to a mirror image of the tactic and the focus on the right Expand
Because of the weird rules on the forum if you think its better you can just upload the tactic with that change
I've digested a lot of this content over the weekend, mainly thanks to squirrel_plays, on YouTube.
Historically, I've used Genie Scout to reasonable success. However I've found its laggy interface and static rating files in recent editions to be cumbersome. I've also never been 100% confident that the players it rates highly would be right for my team...something I recall not having an issue with in earlier Football Managers.
Anyway, the comments on this thread and the work done by ykykykyky and squirrel_plays inspired me somewhat to make a small Python tool which I am now using in place of Genie Scout.
How the tool works
The principle is simple. Use the supplied views in Football Manager and export to a HTML file which you then run through the Python tool (which I've called PyScoutFM for now) which outputs a HTML file you can open and start filtering / sorting within.
I've taken an initial approach of loading in ykykykyky's findings into the tool. I then multiply the rankings by a given player's attributes to calculate the weighted attributes. If a striker has 18 pace, given that has a score of 70 in the ykykykyky findings, then the striker would have a weighted attribute for pace of 12.6 (18 * 70/100). The tool then sums up all of the striker's weighted attributes and divides them by the maximum possible score. This gives the player a score out of 100. This is then repeated for the other player positions.
I'm aware of the findings talking about "multiplying by 20 and subtracting 121" but given that math just proportionally inflates all numbers then it makes no sense to include it (unless I've missed something catastrophic).
The output file
The output is a HTML file which allows you to search for specific players and sort by ratings. It has some basic pagination built in so can work across big datasets (I've tried it across 4000 players) but don't expect it to have the robustness of Genie Scout just yet
Limitations
Firstly, this is a WIP. I've not built anything in around a player being anything less than a natural in their given position. The file is a Jupyter Notebook currently, which is less than ideal to use for a potentially widely distributed piece of software...however it easily allows for my workings to be critiqued by the community. Which I am hoping those of you in this thread are kind enough to do. I've initially run this on FM24 but see no reason why it wouldn't work on earlier versions.
Credit
I want to give a shout out to squirrel_plays who inspired this rabbit hole I went on. I took the principles of their attempts with Python and Football Manager and tried to build a tool which would be adaptable for other players. Expand
I am not familiar with Python/coding so I assume this is something specific to people who are and not a everyone can use type of thing? Apologies if that's a misunderstanding on my part
Mark said: You need to also look at the positional rating on GS out of 20. For instance if the player is 49% for the position but only 10/20 they will be much lower. What the info you have is indicating is that if you retrained the player to full back up towards the 20/20 rating they would be easily your best player in that position. Expand
Appreciate all your contributions in these threads Mark, wonder if I can ask a question for clarity. The way I currently have the editor setup is to have each individual position+potential as an option and I sort by those based on either 50/25 under or ykykyk balanced - an example being the below image Here I go based off Winger - Inside Forward, sort by potential and I see Andres Dos Santos is the best rated in the game, so I go into the preview for the player and positions
Based on what you said, the fact it shows 20 for AMR is great because that matches with inside forward/winger but if it shows 10 - that would mean he could only ever reach that potential shown on the overall player view if I specifically trained him for it?
Do you guys go for area of the pitch when using ratings or specific roles? For example, if I only play with Segundo Volante should I specifically look for that or just DM in general.
Another example is full back - full back support vs full back - wing back support, I've noticed the ratings in genie scout can vary quite a lot for those 2 even though they are quite similar so picking just a fullback vs a specialized full back - wing back can have different requirements. Mainly wondering if the ratings (I've been using Mark ykykyk) are just hyper specific or more general
ZaZ said: It's supposed to be used with the option to rest players below excellent condition, in Training > Rest. The attribute gain is way higher and there is no problem with condition since they rest after matches, recovering to full condition after two or three days. Expand
Apologies shouldn't have doubted! I had the setup wrong and not on automatic so even though I cahnged all of the condition settings to no training/gym work on certain condition it was not applying due to no automatic. Not seeing any major issues since I have fixed this
Thanks again for this amazing tactic, with a busted team like I have and unlimited finance I haven't lost in the league in like 3 years
ZaZ said: Training schedule is updated, and download was also added to opening post. Expand
Can I ask what the testing was done to say this is better? I've noticed it feels impossible to keep fitness using this. I used your old ones prior, the all match prep/recovery on double game weeks or quickness+match prep on single
For what it's worth been using this tactic for 20 years ingame, absolutely incredible. I'm half cheating cause of Manchester United + this tactic but here's my best season
Because of the weird rules on the forum if you think its better you can just upload the tactic with that change
I've digested a lot of this content over the weekend, mainly thanks to squirrel_plays, on YouTube.
Historically, I've used Genie Scout to reasonable success. However I've found its laggy interface and static rating files in recent editions to be cumbersome. I've also never been 100% confident that the players it rates highly would be right for my team...something I recall not having an issue with in earlier Football Managers.
Anyway, the comments on this thread and the work done by ykykykyky and squirrel_plays inspired me somewhat to make a small Python tool which I am now using in place of Genie Scout.
How the tool works
The principle is simple. Use the supplied views in Football Manager and export to a HTML file which you then run through the Python tool (which I've called PyScoutFM for now) which outputs a HTML file you can open and start filtering / sorting within.
I've taken an initial approach of loading in ykykykyky's findings into the tool. I then multiply the rankings by a given player's attributes to calculate the weighted attributes. If a striker has 18 pace, given that has a score of 70 in the ykykykyky findings, then the striker would have a weighted attribute for pace of 12.6 (18 * 70/100). The tool then sums up all of the striker's weighted attributes and divides them by the maximum possible score. This gives the player a score out of 100. This is then repeated for the other player positions.
I'm aware of the findings talking about "multiplying by 20 and subtracting 121" but given that math just proportionally inflates all numbers then it makes no sense to include it (unless I've missed something catastrophic).
The output file
The output is a HTML file which allows you to search for specific players and sort by ratings. It has some basic pagination built in so can work across big datasets (I've tried it across 4000 players) but don't expect it to have the robustness of Genie Scout just yet
Limitations
Firstly, this is a WIP. I've not built anything in around a player being anything less than a natural in their given position. The file is a Jupyter Notebook currently, which is less than ideal to use for a potentially widely distributed piece of software...however it easily allows for my workings to be critiqued by the community. Which I am hoping those of you in this thread are kind enough to do. I've initially run this on FM24 but see no reason why it wouldn't work on earlier versions.
Credit
I want to give a shout out to squirrel_plays who inspired this rabbit hole I went on. I took the principles of their attempts with Python and Football Manager and tried to build a tool which would be adaptable for other players.
I am not familiar with Python/coding so I assume this is something specific to people who are and not a everyone can use type of thing? Apologies if that's a misunderstanding on my part
Appreciate all your contributions in these threads Mark, wonder if I can ask a question for clarity. The way I currently have the editor setup is to have each individual position+potential as an option and I sort by those based on either 50/25 under or ykykyk balanced - an example being the below image
Here I go based off Winger - Inside Forward, sort by potential and I see Andres Dos Santos is the best rated in the game, so I go into the preview for the player and positions
Based on what you said, the fact it shows 20 for AMR is great because that matches with inside forward/winger but if it shows 10 - that would mean he could only ever reach that potential shown on the overall player view if I specifically trained him for it?
Another example is full back - full back support vs full back - wing back support, I've noticed the ratings in genie scout can vary quite a lot for those 2 even though they are quite similar so picking just a fullback vs a specialized full back - wing back can have different requirements. Mainly wondering if the ratings (I've been using Mark ykykyk) are just hyper specific or more general
Apologies shouldn't have doubted! I had the setup wrong and not on automatic so even though I cahnged all of the condition settings to no training/gym work on certain condition it was not applying due to no automatic. Not seeing any major issues since I have fixed this
Thanks again for this amazing tactic, with a busted team like I have and unlimited finance I haven't lost in the league in like 3 years
Can I ask what the testing was done to say this is better? I've noticed it feels impossible to keep fitness using this. I used your old ones prior, the all match prep/recovery on double game weeks or quickness+match prep on single
For what it's worth been using this tactic for 20 years ingame, absolutely incredible. I'm half cheating cause of Manchester United + this tactic but here's my best season