with 18 jumping reach striker (target foward) it could score 38 goals in the 3rd Bundesliga, while with 17 jumping reach it could score 32 goals in the 2nd Bundesliga from corners

this thing is actually better than the world tournament set piece in defending corners and free kicks though it's less on scoring goals

props to you man, Love your back 5 very defensive tactic as well. I love terrorist football

@Zippo so does the position rating in fmrte not work? i really need position ratings guide for fmrte.

the left is @Lololox LxS433 while the right is @rc25 523 Drawing Machine, it's kind of conflicting whether to trust the ag in this site or in the picture sent by them, because according to the picture of their tests, 523 Drawing Machine wins in achieving draws and not get scored on. I have tested it myself and the result is 523 Drawing Machine is a better defense tactic.

(PS for the 523 Drawing Machine pull the defensive line down in the instructions to lower line for it to work [of course you need at least defenders with decent composure and concentration] and if you don't want any counter attacks from your team just pull the offensive line to lower block as well)

@koreen 3412 defensive tactic is a counter, not so much of a defensive one.  It works quite well, I've got a 5 goals in those counter attacks. but this does not stop goals
(PS, get a guy that is good on header as a striker, works well with this one)

@koreen made a counter cautious tactic which is untested but i will try it. looking for other tester whether this will get you draws or not
https://fm-arena.com/thread/11354-3-4-1-2-defensive-tactic/

also there is @rc25 who made a much higher defense line and high press no striker tactic that has a very defensive mentality (PS watch out for that get stuck in and tackle harder in every position instructions)
https://fm-arena.com/thread/13232-523-drawing-machine-very-defensive-low-xga/

So i hope there is a competition for these two tactic let's have a tactic that could beat @rc25 Defensive tactic in terms of lower goals against

picture of the tactic for wandering souls looking for a counter cautious tactic

Thank you for the counter tactic. you may be gone, but i will spread this tactic

I want Draws, not wins or loss, Draws. Give me dem Draws please.

If anybody have a tactic they knew could absolutely make the ticket that the fans buy worthless, please do share it. I will appreciate and thank anyone that could prove worthy of my quest in searching for the ultimate drawing tactic

also Fm Arena would really be more amazing if more defensive tactics could be tested here and also more of that Jose Mourinho Counter please

@rc25 can you make a 3 back formation that is very defensive please. You're amazing

that is why i would like a tactic tailored for specific mentality and would absolutely love a way to sort for those tactics in the tables section.

Yarema said: You do know you can change mentality yourself in the game? Expand

i do know this, but isn't the tactic was meant for that specific mentality and if you change it, it will be worse performance wise?

i would choose the very attacking in the first half and test how it is, if it doesn't work i'd like to have the option to change it mid game to another tactic with the same shape but different mentality. that is why i really want the ability to sort mentality, it's near impossible to find anything else other than balanced and positive with the pile of tactics in this site. i'd like to find cautious, hell even defensive mentality, so that i could change to a defend mentality in the second half where obviously player have less stamina and could not press a lot anymore

i beg you, please make this happen

this is a great tactic, even better than the balanced 4-2-4 because balanced 3-4-3 stand a chance against giant teams like man utd. hell i rather take draws all day rather than losing. as you could see the possession is horrid, but as long as you get shots then it is still good. the only unbelievable thing in this match is that one of my players actually got a disputed red card in the 13th minute can you believe it. it's like when sir Alex Ferguson is still in Manchester United and referee's would always favor Manchester United. i thought i already lost this match but man a draw is amazing.

ZaZ said: Interceptions were buffed in this patch, so having a solid defense is more effective than having a strong attack. That's why the top tactics will have two DMs and even three defenders. More attacking approaches will lose more possession, causing more counter-attacks, which are also more effective since dribbling got buffed as well.

You can open FM22, load any tactic and take note of dribbles made and interceptions, then put the same tactic on FM23 and check the difference. FM23 will have at least double of those statistics. Expand

yes i agree, using promotheus 2.0 just loses the possession like mad. but it produces goals, unlike the 4-2-4 alhamdulillah when against giants. so my possession would be like 43 but the shots produced and xg rating is higher than what 4-2-4 alhamdulillah would produce. even if most of those shots missed at least my player are still shooting compared to when using 4-2-4 balanced i would only have like 3 shots for an entire half against teams like man city. possession is important when you are at least even with the other team, but when against teams like man city and you are the underdog, i would usually just ignore my horrid possession and look to my shots stat

Delicious said: Balance should be a starter opening,you can tweak the tactic for what you actually need, i mean sorry to even sound "mean" but how do you believe an underdog should've have aggressive mentality vs a "elite/top level team"? I mean that's doesn't even make sense,you want more aggresion to the ball? You should use OI's or try to tweak up like you did switching to prometheus etc, you are right Balance shouldn't be a "ever green", more then mentality we need to understand why as underdog the intesity of our pressing drop so low on under those circumstances. Expand

yes that's what i meant, thank you. basically my team is decent and should have a chance against those giants but when using balanced mentality the xg table just make my team looked like they don't even have a chance. it's confusing to me as well, why balanced mentality just does not work against giants. another thing i want to say as well is that your tactics is awesome delicious and i never meant to disrespect or insult any of your tactics. i even used your 3-4-3 extreme suplex to the wind and 4-3-3N extreme swanton bomb and they were amazing.

this tactic is a legend, no matter who is your enemy, as long as your players have the stamina then using this tactic is a guaranteed win

CBP87 said: You haven't offended me. Again Ill say that you'll find these tactics at the top of the table because this shape and mentality is working on this M.E. Its not the tactics you have an issue with its the filtering options that are available from what I've read.@Zippo is there any potential scope to maybe add a filer in for mentality on the tactics table? @Itsyaboy420 There is already a filter available for the shape you want. Expand

thanks man, i actually never noticed that you could search by shape.

because i used balanced mentality with my underdog team in the fa cup, then i got absolutely trashed in the first half by Manchester United. out of desperation i used the attacking  mentality tactics like promotheus 2.0 which leveled the scoreboard to 2-2  in the second half then in extra time there was no more goals and proceeds to penalty shootout which i luckily won. I know my experience doesn't mean that balanced mentality doesn't work, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah for most of the season which was great against teams comparable to mine and dominate against teams that are weaker, but like in the first place i started commenting here is that balanced mentality is not enough when you are the underdog. i have used balanced mentality multiple times against giants such as man city, Liverpool, Chelsea and i won only a few times using 4-2-4 alhamdulillah, i won against man city with similar experience like my man utd match which is using promotheus 2.0 in the second half, lost against Liverpool 3-2 in the extra time, Chelsea just outright slaughtered me 4-1.

another thing is i would like to change mentality mid match as per condition, like when i was against arsenal in the first half i was up by 1-0 in score. then rather than stay attacking with promotheus 2.0 i would like to change to a different mentality with the same shape then i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah 0.8  with a balanced mentality which was a mistake as i got absolutely destroyed by arsenal in the second half losing 3-1. another example is when i was against crystal palace, i was at the same position like in my arsenal match, in the second half rather than using balanced 4-2-4, i used 4-2-4 alhamdulillah by tomaka which has a cautious mentality then i won 1-0 against crystal palace.

so in conclusion i like to reiterate balance mentality is good, but it's never enough when you're up against giant teams. it just made your team looked like they were sleeping the whole match, no attacks were made, no counters, just absolutely pure domination by the other team. I was lucky i found promotheus 2.0, because the next day promotheus 2.0 just drops in the scoreboard and went to another page, which made me realize how hard it was to search for decent tactics with the mentality you want in this site.