I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
Pip said: I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
I wouldn't use the same values for all of the positions. You could try to deduce importance of attributes by looking at goals for/goals against and extrapolate the values from there
Pip said: I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
I have tried your ratings with minor tweaks to centre back / full backs. I used the editor to add around 25 players to ipswich town who had market value under 7M with the highest current ratings according to the ratings file. Didn't touch anything no set piece no staff etc. simmed the whole season with the highest rating tactic here won the PL with 85 points, the purpose was to see if it can win the PL with undervalued players using this file, here are the relevant screenshots First screenshot was taken after first season, all of the players added were under 7M transfer value
I have tried your ratings with minor tweaks to centre back / full backs. I used the editor to add around 25 players to ipswich town who had market value under 7M with the highest current ratings according to the ratings file. Didn't touch anything no set piece no staff etc. simmed the whole season with the highest rating tactic here won the PL with 85 points, the purpose was to see if it can win the PL with undervalued players using this file, here are the relevant screenshots First screenshot was taken after first season, all of the players added were under 7M transfer value Expand
CBP87 said: Do you go off position rating when looking to buy new players? Expand
I think genie scout takes positional rating into account when calculating. Even though all the numbers are the same, rating is different for every position.
Bafici said: I think genie scout takes positional rating into account when calculating. Even though all the numbers are the same, rating is different for every position. Expand
but what do you do? do you go off the ratings when looking to buy a player?
Bafici said: I will from now on If you are going to ask about achievements i can't tell right now. Expand
Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS
CBP87 said: Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS Expand Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
kvasir said: Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential. Expand
I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
CBP87 said: I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for? Expand Ah, fair enough. I don’t really have the patience for long-term saves right now to see how training schedules play out.
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier.
kvasir said: Ah, fair enough. I don’t really have the patience for long-term saves right now to see how training schedules play out.
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier. Expand
Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
CBP87 said: I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for? Expand
I was using PA also with the Harvest training but its a different approach than ratings.It is more like youth development save. If you want an instant success or moneyball like story you can try the ratings.
One other way is potential ratings as @kvasir said. It is similar to PA approach but more faster as these positional potential ratings shows higher attributes in meta attributes.
CBP87 said: Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks Expand
Do you mean manually searching in the game? If you use the ratings you wouldn't use in game scouting. Just buy the highest rating you can. You can see fb with 1 marking and 5 tackling is the best fb in the world Brice wembangomo is an example of that. For full back Pace - acc - stamina - anticipation - work rate - jumping - dribbling is enough i think
CBP87 said: Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks Expand
Haha, sorry, feels like we’re speaking different languages here. I’m not filtering based on attributes at all. That’s the whole reason I’m using Genie Scout—so I can feed it the attribute weightings, and it spits out the player ratings for me.
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol.
kvasir said: Haha, sorry, feels like we’re speaking different languages here. I’m not filtering based on attributes at all. That’s the whole reason I’m using Genie Scout—so I can feed it the attribute weightings, and it spits out the player ratings for me.
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol. Expand
Ah right, I get you now, I always search using attribute values
I don't really use PA anymore either most of my saves are the moneyball style so I use the rating percentages (I use a combination of ratings files, but I am trying the one I made plus Bafici's atm which is proving very good)
I would use PA in conjunction with the genie scout ratings and potential ratings if picking youth prospects. I have only just started using the harvest training schdules and not seen a massive effect yet tho will keep on with them
Bafici said: GK Defensive- Same for CB-FB-WB-DM Offensive Same for AMC-WG-FS. For tall striker i made jumping reach 50. Expand
I don't really have much experience with genie scout, but arn't things like heading, tackling and jumping reach really important for a CB?
You also have first touch with an AMC for example on a very low number. Feels to me almost everything is wrong, but as I said, I don't have much experience. Just wondering, not attacking
flob said: I don't really have much experience with genie scout, but arn't things like heading, tackling and jumping reach really important for a CB?
You also have first touch with an AMC for example on a very low number. Feels to me almost everything is wrong, but as I said, I don't have much experience. Just wondering, not attacking Expand
Yes it doesn't look logical but if you see the attribute testing thread, mentioned attributes doesn't change anything even if all the team has 20 tackling or 20 marking. It looks like it doesn't matter until we have positional tests.
Positional tests are much harder to do. For starters they require 10-100x more runs per single test to pick up the signal, on top of 10x because there are multiple positions. There is also a question of player roles potentially adding more runs needed. For example stamina on a WB(A) might be 3x more valuable than on a IFB(D) even though they technically play the same position. Alternatively it might be possible to keep the number of runs down if we can find other metrics to measure.
Additionally some attributes like jumping reach are relative. If the whole team has 8 JR, having a 17 JR winger might have a huge effect. Whereas in a team full of 17 JR players there might be no difference between a 8 or 17 JR winger
thanks a lot for sharing this. I just started using genie today. When using it you simply create a shortlist of players you are interested in in a given position?
Bafici said: Yes it doesn't look logical but if you see the attribute testing thread, mentioned attributes doesn't change anything even if all the team has 20 tackling or 20 marking. It looks like it doesn't matter until we have positional tests. Expand
Interesting. I havn't really used genie scout in my saves, but I am curious to try your method out in a new, seperate save. How do I treat the positions though as I for example use a Ball Playing Defender, Inside Forward and Advanced Forward (to name some examples). Cause I noticed genie scout likes to use positons/term I've never played. Do I then check the players positions and use the best score of what position I use in my tactic? Would love to hear some of your feedback regarding how you approuch everything, if possible
Kamas1 said: thanks a lot for sharing this. I just started using genie today. When using it you simply create a shortlist of players you are interested in in a given position? Expand
I can make a guide-like thread on how to use genie scout.
You don't need to create a shortlist. You load and search all the players in the game and then select from there.
flob said: Interesting. I havn't really used genie scout in my saves, but I am curious to try your method out in a new, seperate save. How do I treat the positions though as I for example use a Ball Playing Defender, Inside Forward and Advanced Forward (to name some examples). Cause I noticed genie scout likes to use positons/term I've never played. Do I then check the players positions and use the best score of what position I use in my tactic? Would love to hear some of your feedback regarding how you approuch everything, if possible Expand
Roles doesn't matter as you can see in this thread. You need to check the positional ratings of players.
I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
https://www.transfernow.net/dl/202501105H370cHr
Pip said: I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
https://www.transfernow.net/dl/202501105H370cHr
I wouldn't use the same values for all of the positions. You could try to deduce importance of attributes by looking at goals for/goals against and extrapolate the values from there
Pip said: I have created a new Ratings file for Genie Scout.
I have used the same values for all positions at the moment, and only for CB, FB, DM, W and FS positions - thats the formation I am using. I will add more later.
I think my maths is correct - i have set Pace & Acc as 100 and factored the other values up in relation to that - happy to be corrected.
https://www.transfernow.net/dl/202501105H370cHr
Thank you for this,
I have tried your ratings with minor tweaks to centre back / full backs.
I used the editor to add around 25 players to ipswich town who had market value under 7M with the highest current ratings according to the ratings file.
Didn't touch anything no set piece no staff etc. simmed the whole season with the highest rating tactic here won the PL with 85 points, the purpose was to see if it can win the PL with undervalued players using this file, here are the relevant screenshots
First screenshot was taken after first season, all of the players added were under
7M transfer value
animatron said: Thank you for this,
I have tried your ratings with minor tweaks to centre back / full backs.
I used the editor to add around 25 players to ipswich town who had market value under 7M with the highest current ratings according to the ratings file.
Didn't touch anything no set piece no staff etc. simmed the whole season with the highest rating tactic here won the PL with 85 points, the purpose was to see if it can win the PL with undervalued players using this file, here are the relevant screenshots
First screenshot was taken after first season, all of the players added were under
7M transfer value
No worries - an impressive result!
I made a new ratings file learning that Jumping Reach was capped at 17.
DC-FB-DM weighted based on %70 goals against - %30 points.
AMC-AML/R-ST weighted based on %70 goals for - %30 points.
Download
Bafici said: I made a new ratings file learning that Jumping Reach was capped at 17.
DC-FB-DM weighted based on %70 goals against - %30 points.
AMC-AML/R-ST weighted based on %70 goals for - %30 points.
Download
Can you post a screenshot of the numbers used?
Thanks!
GK
Defensive- Same for CB-FB-WB-DM
Offensive Same for AMC-WG-FS. For tall striker i made jumping reach 50.
Bafici said: GK
Defensive- Same for CB-FB-WB-DM
Offensive Same for AMC-WG-FS. For tall striker i made jumping reach 50.
Do you go off position rating when looking to buy new players?
CBP87 said: Do you go off position rating when looking to buy new players?
I think genie scout takes positional rating into account when calculating. Even though all the numbers are the same, rating is different for every position.
Bafici said: I think genie scout takes positional rating into account when calculating. Even though all the numbers are the same, rating is different for every position.
but what do you do? do you go off the ratings when looking to buy a player?
CBP87 said: but what do you do? do you go off the ratings when looking to buy a player?
If you are going to ask about achievements i can't tell right now.
I will from now on
Bafici said: I will from now on
If you are going to ask about achievements i can't tell right now.
Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS
CBP87 said: Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS
Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
kvasir said: Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
CBP87 said: I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
Ah, fair enough. I don’t really have the patience for long-term saves right now to see how training schedules play out.
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier.
kvasir said: Ah, fair enough. I don’t really have the patience for long-term saves right now to see how training schedules play out.
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier.
Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks
CBP87 said: I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
Brice wembangomo is an example of that. For full back Pace - acc - stamina - anticipation - work rate - jumping - dribbling is enough i think
I was using PA also with the Harvest training but its a different approach than ratings.It is more like youth development save. If you want an instant success or moneyball like story you can try the ratings.
One other way is potential ratings as @kvasir said. It is similar to PA approach but more faster as these positional potential ratings shows higher attributes in meta attributes.
CBP87 said: Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks
Do you mean manually searching in the game? If you use the ratings you wouldn't use in game scouting. Just buy the highest rating you can. You can see fb with 1 marking and 5 tackling is the best fb in the world
CBP87 said: Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks
Haha, sorry, feels like we’re speaking different languages here. I’m not filtering based on attributes at all. That’s the whole reason I’m using Genie Scout—so I can feed it the attribute weightings, and it spits out the player ratings for me.
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol.
kvasir said: Haha, sorry, feels like we’re speaking different languages here. I’m not filtering based on attributes at all. That’s the whole reason I’m using Genie Scout—so I can feed it the attribute weightings, and it spits out the player ratings for me.
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol.
Ah right, I get you now, I always search using attribute values
I don't really use PA anymore either most of my saves are the moneyball style so I use the rating percentages (I use a combination of ratings files, but I am trying the one I made plus Bafici's atm which is proving very good)
I would use PA in conjunction with the genie scout ratings and potential ratings if picking youth prospects. I have only just started using the harvest training schdules and not seen a massive effect yet tho will keep on with them
Bafici said: GK
Defensive- Same for CB-FB-WB-DM
Offensive Same for AMC-WG-FS. For tall striker i made jumping reach 50.
I don't really have much experience with genie scout, but arn't things like heading, tackling and jumping reach really important for a CB?
You also have first touch with an AMC for example on a very low number. Feels to me almost everything is wrong, but as I said, I don't have much experience. Just wondering, not attacking
flob said: I don't really have much experience with genie scout, but arn't things like heading, tackling and jumping reach really important for a CB?
You also have first touch with an AMC for example on a very low number. Feels to me almost everything is wrong, but as I said, I don't have much experience. Just wondering, not attacking
Yes it doesn't look logical but if you see the attribute testing thread, mentioned attributes doesn't change anything even if all the team has 20 tackling or 20 marking. It looks like it doesn't matter until we have positional tests.
Positional tests are much harder to do. For starters they require 10-100x more runs per single test to pick up the signal, on top of 10x because there are multiple positions. There is also a question of player roles potentially adding more runs needed. For example stamina on a WB(A) might be 3x more valuable than on a IFB(D) even though they technically play the same position.
Alternatively it might be possible to keep the number of runs down if we can find other metrics to measure.
Additionally some attributes like jumping reach are relative. If the whole team has 8 JR, having a 17 JR winger might have a huge effect. Whereas in a team full of 17 JR players there might be no difference between a 8 or 17 JR winger
MC/CMs have the same rating value as DMs?
Alonso said: MC/CMs have the same rating value as DMs?
I didn't put any rating for mc's in the file. It depends on what you want. I would use offensive.
Bafici said: I made a new ratings file learning that Jumping Reach was capped at 17.
DC-FB-DM weighted based on %70 goals against - %30 points.
AMC-AML/R-ST weighted based on %70 goals for - %30 points.
Download
Where can you import the downloadfile on Genie Scout?
Glennson said: Where can you import the downloadfile on Genie Scout?
Default place is C:\ FM Genie Scout 24 > Ratings. Put file in this folder.
Open Genie Scout and click on the button on the top left. You will see a menu where it says rating. Select fmarena
thanks a lot for sharing this. I just started using genie today. When using it you simply create a shortlist of players you are interested in in a given position?
Bafici said: Yes it doesn't look logical but if you see the attribute testing thread, mentioned attributes doesn't change anything even if all the team has 20 tackling or 20 marking. It looks like it doesn't matter until we have positional tests.
Interesting. I havn't really used genie scout in my saves, but I am curious to try your method out in a new, seperate save. How do I treat the positions though as I for example use a Ball Playing Defender, Inside Forward and Advanced Forward (to name some examples). Cause I noticed genie scout likes to use positons/term I've never played. Do I then check the players positions and use the best score of what position I use in my tactic? Would love to hear some of your feedback regarding how you approuch everything, if possible
Kamas1 said: thanks a lot for sharing this. I just started using genie today. When using it you simply create a shortlist of players you are interested in in a given position?
I can make a guide-like thread on how to use genie scout.
You don't need to create a shortlist. You load and search all the players in the game and then select from there.
flob said: Interesting. I havn't really used genie scout in my saves, but I am curious to try your method out in a new, seperate save. How do I treat the positions though as I for example use a Ball Playing Defender, Inside Forward and Advanced Forward (to name some examples). Cause I noticed genie scout likes to use positons/term I've never played. Do I then check the players positions and use the best score of what position I use in my tactic? Would love to hear some of your feedback regarding how you approuch everything, if possible
Roles doesn't matter as you can see in this thread. You need to check the positional ratings of players.