ZaZ - Blue

by ZaZ, Nov 21, 2021

@Mark How do you filter players in Genie Scout that will play for your team?

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A bit of background first. My current save I am using 3 Managers in very low leagues. First is John McClane starting with Glasgow United (formerly Shettleston) in tier 7 of Scottish Football. Second is Hans Gruber starting with Tyreso FF in tier 4 of Swedish Football. And lastly me starting with my local club O'Connor Knights in the Capital Premier League in tier 4 of Australian Football. So very different clubs in very different locations.

Started the save in Scottish time so Hans joined after 9 games in Sweden when Tyreso FF were on 5 points. Just missed promotion after a stellar run. Second season won the league and got promoted. I joined O'Connor Knights with only a handful of games to go and took them from relegation zone to mid table. O'Connor Knights won the Capital Premier League and got promoted by winning the State Premier League promotion playoffs. I am using a lower league add on for Glasgow and a made up football pyramid for O'Connor Knights that has promotion and relegation the whole way up. Glasgow is now leading the tier 6 comp after winning tier 7 last season.

How do I use the Genie Scout filters. As you can see from my background above we don't have much money. In my save, the off season and mid seasons are different for each nation. When looking for players I select based in the particular country or sometimes I use region for Sweden. I then sort by position rating and then by contract end date. That gives me the best players that don't have current contracts.

I always look at the ratings of the clubs at the next level and try and find players at around the average of the 4th team down to the last team. Say the best team is rated 60%, bottom is 54% and 4th is 58%. I will look for player around the 56% mark. But I do take into account the Player Position rating out of 20.  To make the 56% if the rating is 18, you need 59%, and to make 56% if the rating is 19 you need 57.5%. Calculations were list in my shortlist post.

I also try to stick to youth. The average age of my squads are 18.6, 18.9 and 19. It means they don't tend to drop in ability, and tend to increase. Given my teams have been semi pro or amateur to date they don't improve much. O'Connor has just turned pro moving into the A League 3 so hopefully the young team will now improve a fair bit more in coming years.

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I'd like to second a request for a guide to genie scout ratings. Is it the percentages that we look at? E.g. after loading the grf file, it says one of my players has a rating of 67% in the AMC role, is that the only number to look at? I assume that's the weighted rating cos I couldn't find any other numbers

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Koopa said: I'd like to second a request for a guide to genie scout ratings. Is it the percentages that we look at? E.g. after loading the grf file, it says one of my players has a rating of 67% in the AMC role, is that the only number to look at? I assume that's the weighted rating cos I couldn't find any other numbers

https://www.fmscout.com/a-genie-scout-guide.html

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@ZaZ  how important is it for the player to have the same traits as the role? Will it greatly affect the win in the match?

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Sane said: @ZaZ  how important is it for the player to have the same traits as the role? Will it greatly affect the win in the match?

That's very hard to measure. What I know is that opposite traits and instructions harm performance, but I can't say how much it improves if you use the correct traits. Personally, I don't bother about player traits at all.

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is the tactic suited for underdog teams? ive had some good results with it in my first year in the prem (managing Blackburn), but it feels like my players have regressed and i'm giving up a ton of goals to big teams

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Koopa said: is the tactic suited for underdog teams? ive had some good results with it in my first year in the prem (managing Blackburn), but it feels like my players have regressed and i'm giving up a ton of goals to big teams

take a look at this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2084-concord-career-from-rags-to-riches/

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Koopa said: is the tactic suited for underdog teams? ive had some good results with it in my first year in the prem (managing Blackburn), but it feels like my players have regressed and i'm giving up a ton of goals to big teams

It does work well for underdogs, but if you want a more solid tactic, try this one or Green 5.0.

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Markizio said: take a look at this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2084-concord-career-from-rags-to-riches/

thanks for the reference, lots of advice from Zaz for me to try

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ZaZ said: It does work well for underdogs, but if you want a more solid tactic, try this one or Green 5.0.

ironically, i've had a lot of trouble with that tactic, are the CMs supposed to be world class attackers? cos i have an easier time scoring with blue

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Koopa said: is the tactic suited for underdog teams? ive had some good results with it in my first year in the prem (managing Blackburn), but it feels like my players have regressed and i'm giving up a ton of goals to big teams

this can help - https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/

also, check the 1st post of this thread, there are a lot of tips by ZaZ in it

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Koopa said: ironically, i've had a lot of trouble with that tactic, are the CMs supposed to be world class attackers? cos i have an easier time scoring with blue

That tactic is more solid, meaning better defense. Blue is better at attacking.

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ZaZ said: That tactic is more solid, meaning better defense. Blue is better at attacking.

is your ss version better than the cm version? sorry for the dumb questions, i'm new to the game

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Koopa said: is your ss version better than the cm version? sorry for the dumb questions, i'm new to the game

No. CM is better. If you are unsure, use the version from @Geek that was tested here and did very well.

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@ZaZ  Can u upload ur training schedule files (pre-1-2) pls :love:

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Keshk said: @ZaZ  Can u upload ur training schedule files (pre-1-2) pls :love:

https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/12345/

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The highest score tactic for fm22 is 65 compared to 83 for fm21, so I think tactics have been nerfed quite a lot in this version?

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TactocTestor said: The highest score tactic for fm22 is 65 compared to 83 for fm21, so I think tactics have been nerfed quite a lot in this version?

FM Arena changed their testing league approach this year. You can read about it below.

Testing League Changes

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Is "much shorter passing" viable?

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saitjerome said: Is "much shorter passing" viable?

In short, it lowers the performance. Why would you want to have much shorter passing?

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Is "much shorter passing" viable?

ZaZ said: In short, it lowers the performance. Why would you want to have much shorter passing?

i love the number of passes completed by my team. It shows dominance imo.

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saitjerome said: i love the number of passes completed by my team. It shows dominance imo.

In my opinion, and that's just an opinion, the objective of football is to score more goals than opposition. There are several ways to achieve that, but anything you do in the field should contribute to use space better to score goals and avoid conceding.

That being said, passing is one of the mechanics that can potentialize a tactical style, but I can't see "completing several passes" as a good metric for entertaining football. For example, I prefer to look at clear chances created and clear chances conceded.

Anyway, I believe Barcelona from Messi created an illusion that Tiki-Taka is better than other styles, because they really dominated most opponents, but some people forget that we are talking about the best Barcelona of all times, with at least three or four players that would figure in any list of best players in history. However, teams have dominated the field with very different tactics both before and after that Barcelona.

P.S.: I'm not saying you can't win with high passing tactics, just that I don't think that metric should define a tactic. You can use very short passing with this tactic, but it will lose performance. Maybe you would have better success with another tactic with more players in the midfield, like this.

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ZaZ said: In my opinion, and that's just an opinion, the objective of football is to score more goals than opposition. There are several ways to achieve that, but anything you do in the field should contribute to use space better to score goals and avoid conceding.

That being said, passing is one of the mechanics that can potentialize a tactical style, but I can't see "completing several passes" as a good metric for entertaining football. For example, I prefer to look at clear chances created and clear chances conceded.

Anyway, I believe Barcelona from Messi created an illusion that Tiki-Taka is better than other styles, because they really dominated most opponents, but some people forget that we are talking about the best Barcelona of all times, with at least three or four players that would figure in any list of best players in history. However, teams have dominated the field with very different tactics both before and after that Barcelona.

P.S.: I'm not saying you can't win with high passing tactics, just that I don't think that metric should define a tactic. You can use very short passing with this tactic, but it will lose performance. Maybe you would have better success with another tactic with more players in the midfield, like this.


Really appreciate that u gave a value to respond that long. According to "but some people forget that we are talking about the best Barcelona of all times, with at least three or four players that would figure in any list of best players in history." that sentence i'd say xavi, iniesta, etc. were already playing but they weren't considered as "world's best players". When pep took the charge and adapted his players at the second half of the league then people turned their eyes to barcelona and impressed of their "tiki-taka" magic.

As short, i believe that tactic makes players better not the players(at some point yes). I know every person has their own idea about football, like my friend absolutely in love with counter attack which i hate. I've tried many tactics to make it real tiki-taka on FM match engine but it doesn't work. Maybe i better stick with the tactic called "score more than your opponent" to be successful. :D

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saitjerome said: Really appreciate that u gave a value to respond that long. According to "but some people forget that we are talking about the best Barcelona of all times, with at least three or four players that would figure in any list of best players in history." that sentence i'd say xavi, iniesta, etc. were already playing but they weren't considered as "world's best players". When pep took the charge and adapted his players at the second half of the league then people turned their eyes to barcelona and impressed of their "tiki-taka" magic.

As short, i believe that tactic makes players better not the players(at some point yes). I know every person has their own idea about football, like my friend absolutely in love with counter attack which i hate. I've tried many tactics to make it real tiki-taka on FM match engine but it doesn't work. Maybe i better stick with the tactic called "score more than your opponent" to be successful. :D


About a tactic making players better, I agree, but the other way is also true. If you check the last champions from UEFA Champions League, they have been teams like Real Madrid, Chelsea and Liverpool, none of them known for putting emphasis in possession. Sure, there was a title from Barcelona and one from Bayern Munich, but they seem to be more of an exception than the rule.

Like I said before, I have nothing against positional play, but I like when possession converts into chances created. If a team has 90% of possession but created only two clear chances of goal, then it is less attacking than a team that defended the whole match and got five clear chances from counter attacks.

Anyway, you should probably check for a tactic with good possession and score over 6.0, that will be enough to win most championships.

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Since there isn't any statistic that shows possession, do you know any tactic that would suit me :P

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saitjerome said: Since there isn't any statistic that shows possession, do you know any tactic that would suit me :P

I believe this one would have better possession than Blue: https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2674-positive-tiki-taka-cms-attack/

You can also try Green 5.0, which is essentially the same.

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Hello,

Thanks a lot for this tactic. I used to play a lot to the FM21 version. I had great results without using training schedules, I just let the assistant manage this.
Are the results good without training schedule posted by Zaz ?

Sorry for my poor english

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Pepito said: Hello,

Thanks a lot for this tactic. I used to play a lot to the FM21 version. I had great results without using training schedules, I just let the assistant manage this.
Are the results good without training schedule posted by Zaz ?

Sorry for my poor english


Testing training schedules is very difficult, because there are multiple objectives to training, like developing players, improving team performance in the current season, reducing injuries and allowing enough rest to repeat the same team when needed. Anyway, I don't think the influence of training schedule is so big, so you can leave it to assistant manager if you feel more comfortable that way.

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How is the tactic performance if i change mentality to very attacking?

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