Haven't been playing since a long time and I'm testing this tactic with an underdog team. Before, tactics used to have a "desired attributes" for each position, is there any desired attribute for each position? I mean, fast wingers, strikers with good vision and so on
Nick said: Haven't been playing since a long time and I'm testing this tactic with an underdog team. Before, tactics used to have a "desired attributes" for each position, is there any desired attribute for each position? I mean, fast wingers, strikers with good vision and so on
Thanks guys! I really appreciate all your work Expand
@Snoop@ZaZ Just wanted some advise from you guys for the SS and AF position how would you fit Haaland and Mbappe as Ive got both in my squad. Many thanks!
Tejash said: @Snoop@ZaZ Just wanted some advise from you guys for the SS and AF position how would you fit Haaland and Mbappe as Ive got both in my squad. Many thanks! Expand
If you have those two, you can even use one in the goal and still win everything. Jokes aside, I would use Mbappé as AF and Haaland as SS, because I think Mbappé is faster and more selfish, while Haaland usually does better at passing and pressing. However, going the other way around will also work very well, since Haaland is taller and stronger. You seriously can't go wrong with those two, but if it was me, I would actually use Mbappé in the right wing instead.
I'm of the opposite opinion, I think Mbappe would be better as the SS due to his versatility and Haaland as the AF, I think Haaland is my clinical in front of goal
CBP87 said: I'm of the opposite opinion, I think Mbappe would be better as the SS due to his versatility and Haaland as the AF, I think Haaland is my clinical in front of goal Expand
Mbappe doesn't have any rating for AMC position at all and Haaland at least has some awkward rating, also, Haaland has much better defensive and work rate attributes so I think Haaland would be a better choice as SS
Nikko said: Mbappe doesn't have any rating for AMC position at all and Haaland at least has some awkward rating, also, Haaland has much better defensive and work rate attributes so I think Haaland would be a better choice as SS Expand
why would you be looking at defensive attributes for strikers? Mbappe has better versatility which will help him learn the position quicker, but to be fair overall I think they would both do the job there
CBP87 said: why would you be looking at defensive attributes for strikers? Mbappe has better versatility which will help him learn the position quicker, but to be fair overall I think they would both do the job there Expand
Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent.
Nikko said: Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent. Expand
Ah shit!! my bad, I thought the SS got carried defensively by the rest of the team but essentially he closes down the opposition as a PF would. Sorry yep, change my mind Haaland as SS and Mbappe as AF
Nikko said: Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent. Expand
I agree. A tactic with two advanced forwards usually concedes more than the same tactic with an advanced forward and a shadow striker. Anyone can just check the table to confirm that.
ZaZ said: I agree. A tactic with two advanced forwards usually concedes more than the same tactic with an advanced forward and a shadow striker. Anyone can just check the table to confirm that. Expand
@ZaZ mate how would you organize the 4 attacking players in this tactic having the following: Mbappe, Dybala, Salah, Mane, Firmino and Jota.
My main struggle is whether Salah or Mbappe should go to the wings and whom should be AF.
Guidito said: @ZaZ mate how would you organize the 4 attacking players in this tactic having the following: Mbappe, Dybala, Salah, Mane, Firmino and Jota.
My main struggle is whether Salah or Mbappe should go to the wings and whom should be AF. Expand
There are probably better people than me to answer this question, but I would use Salah on the left wing, Mbappe on the center and Mané on the right, with Dybala playing behind. Firmino is good but too slow, and Jota is fast but not that good.
ZaZ said: There are probably better people than me to answer this question, but I would use Salah on the left wing, Mbappe on the center and Mané on the right, with Dybala playing behind. Firmino is good but too slow, and Jota is fast but not that good. Expand
We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left.
Zippo said: We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left. Expand
Guidito said: Hey @Albert have you changed the set pieces or are they the same from original blue?
@ZaZ I remember you mentioned youre working on improving set pieces, news on that?
Thanks! Expand
It's going well, I'm now integrating it to the tactic routine per routine and seeing how they affect the performance measured by points per season. I'm also trying some changes to match the new improvements found on people's tweaks, but results seem good for now.
Below is the result from my last run that just ended, as an example.
Just want to share my experience with this tactic. Started a Journeyman save unemployed. Without reputation and badges. I really love how it plays.
Alania: First season: Started in 14th place mid-season. Second season: Media Prediction 16e Third Season: Media Prediction 12e. Also loosing finalist of the cup.
Fehérvár: First season: Media Prediction 2e. Won also the cup and Quarter Finals Conference League.
Many thanks for creating this wonderful tactic. If you have the right players this tactic will be potent in attack, solid in defence, and fun to watch. I am into second season with my Man Utd team and is so far undefeated in 22 games. I do have an overpowered squad though, but the gameplay is simply magnificent.
My best starting eleven.
Note that I have placed SS towards the right because I play Rashford (and sometimes CR7) on the left winger role. They both have cut inside from the left trait, so it is desirable to leave more "space" in the middle of the pitch for them to naturally cut inside. On this note, I have no problem playing "inside forwards" as the wingers (i.e. players with stronger foot on the opposite side). For example I play Rashford as left winger, and Adeyemi as the right winger. In fact it enhances the chance of them playing 45 degrees pass from midfield with their stronger foot from their side of the pitch to the AF SS and CM-a to score from the middle of the pitch. Of course if you play a natural winger (i.e. stronger left foot as left winger, stronger right foot as right winger) their crossing pattern will change and they will tend to cross more from the byline with their natural foot. Also, to state the obvious, your wingers will not be the main goal source but will have a lot of assists given their "take more risks" role. I have not had much success with insider forwards and inverted wingers in this match engine anyway.
I have made tweaks to the backline:
IWB
CB
Reasons for the tweaks. My attacking front is strong enough. I do not need the backline to participate actively in attack. Their role is to recycle the ball and pass to the front. I particularly like the "take fewer risks" and "close down less" options for both roles.
"Take fewer risks" is self-explanatory and avoids losing possession in dangerous zones - it is good enough for the wingers and the CM-a to "take more risks" and create one-on-one chances for the striker and shadow striker. In order to have "take fewer risks" for the IWB you have to change it to IWB - auto: IWB - attack has "take more risks" hard coded. Sometimes I may even click "dribble less" for the IWB to make sure they do not lose possession especially against strong teams.
"Close down less" is very interesting. It does not mean your defenders will go easy on your opponents - it simply prevents the defenders from pressing too hard and too far up and requires them to press from a distance, thus not losing ground unnecessarily. Otherwise when you are up against very agile and pacey opponents, once your defender presses too hard, your opponent can go past you like wind.
"Ease off tackles" for the two CB: (i) they get far less cards (therefore creating far fewer opportunities for your opponent to have a free kick just outside your penalty box and you know how lethal that can be in this match engine); and (ii) they would not go down to tackle pacey and skillful strikers so they will not lose ground - you will see that they simply position themselves to block the opponent's path. Of course their defensive positioning and decision must be very good to be able to get the best out of the two CB.
Haven't been playing since a long time and I'm testing this tactic with an underdog team. Before, tactics used to have a "desired attributes" for each position, is there any desired attribute for each position? I mean, fast wingers, strikers with good vision and so on
Thanks guys! I really appreciate all your work
Nick said: Haven't been playing since a long time and I'm testing this tactic with an underdog team. Before, tactics used to have a "desired attributes" for each position, is there any desired attribute for each position? I mean, fast wingers, strikers with good vision and so on
Thanks guys! I really appreciate all your work
this - https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/
and this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2182-important-attributes-for-blue-dm/
@Snoop @ZaZ Just wanted some advise from you guys for the SS and AF position how would you fit Haaland and Mbappe as Ive got both in my squad. Many thanks!
Tejash said: @Snoop @ZaZ Just wanted some advise from you guys for the SS and AF position how would you fit Haaland and Mbappe as Ive got both in my squad. Many thanks!
If you have those two, you can even use one in the goal and still win everything. Jokes aside, I would use Mbappé as AF and Haaland as SS, because I think Mbappé is faster and more selfish, while Haaland usually does better at passing and pressing. However, going the other way around will also work very well, since Haaland is taller and stronger. You seriously can't go wrong with those two, but if it was me, I would actually use Mbappé in the right wing instead.
I'm not an expert and I'm sure @ZaZ or @Snoop knows better
but if you ask me then I would play Haaland as SS and Mbappe as AF.
I'm of the opposite opinion, I think Mbappe would be better as the SS due to his versatility and Haaland as the AF, I think Haaland is my clinical in front of goal
CBP87 said: I'm of the opposite opinion, I think Mbappe would be better as the SS due to his versatility and Haaland as the AF, I think Haaland is my clinical in front of goal
Mbappe doesn't have any rating for AMC position at all and Haaland at least has some awkward rating, also, Haaland has much better defensive and work rate attributes so I think Haaland would be a better choice as SS
Nikko said: Mbappe doesn't have any rating for AMC position at all and Haaland at least has some awkward rating, also, Haaland has much better defensive and work rate attributes so I think Haaland would be a better choice as SS
why would you be looking at defensive attributes for strikers? Mbappe has better versatility which will help him learn the position quicker, but to be fair overall I think they would both do the job there
CBP87 said: why would you be looking at defensive attributes for strikers? Mbappe has better versatility which will help him learn the position quicker, but to be fair overall I think they would both do the job there
Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent.
Nikko said: Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent.
Ah shit!! my bad, I thought the SS got carried defensively by the rest of the team but essentially he closes down the opposition as a PF would. Sorry yep, change my mind Haaland as SS and Mbappe as AF
Nikko said: Shadow Striker isn't a pure striker, he plays at AMC position and contributes a lot to the defense so I guess having good work rate and decent defensive attributes will be beneficent.
I agree. A tactic with two advanced forwards usually concedes more than the same tactic with an advanced forward and a shadow striker. Anyone can just check the table to confirm that.
Arsenal
ZaZ said: I agree. A tactic with two advanced forwards usually concedes more than the same tactic with an advanced forward and a shadow striker. Anyone can just check the table to confirm that.
@ZaZ mate how would you organize the 4 attacking players in this tactic having the following:
Mbappe, Dybala, Salah, Mane, Firmino and Jota.
My main struggle is whether Salah or Mbappe should go to the wings and whom should be AF.
Guidito said: @ZaZ mate how would you organize the 4 attacking players in this tactic having the following:
Mbappe, Dybala, Salah, Mane, Firmino and Jota.
My main struggle is whether Salah or Mbappe should go to the wings and whom should be AF.
There are probably better people than me to answer this question, but I would use Salah on the left wing, Mbappe on the center and Mané on the right, with Dybala playing behind. Firmino is good but too slow, and Jota is fast but not that good.
ZaZ said: There are probably better people than me to answer this question, but I would use Salah on the left wing, Mbappe on the center and Mané on the right, with Dybala playing behind. Firmino is good but too slow, and Jota is fast but not that good.
We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left.
Zippo said: We've tested a left footed player as the right winger and a right footed player as the left winger in this tactic and there wasn't any significant difference so I guess you can safely play Salah on the right and Mane on the left.
Good info!
ZaZ said: Good info!
Just to be accurate:
The left winger had Left Foot Rating 10 ( Reasonable ) and Right Foot Rating 20 ( Very Strong )
The right winger had Left Foot Rating 20 ( Very Strong ) and Right Foot Rating 10 ( Reasonable )
Thank you guys for the quick revert!
Thank you for your work. I think this is the best tactic in FM22.
Hey @Albert have you changed the set pieces or are they the same from original blue?
@ZaZ I remember you mentioned youre working on improving set pieces, news on that?
Thanks!
Guidito said: Hey @Albert have you changed the set pieces or are they the same from original blue?
Hey,
The set pieces in this tactic is from this tactic - https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2454-zaz-blue-dm-double-tweaked/
Guidito said: Hey @Albert have you changed the set pieces or are they the same from original blue?
@ZaZ I remember you mentioned youre working on improving set pieces, news on that?
Thanks!
It's going well, I'm now integrating it to the tactic routine per routine and seeing how they affect the performance measured by points per season. I'm also trying some changes to match the new improvements found on people's tweaks, but results seem good for now.
Below is the result from my last run that just ended, as an example.
I've played the 1st season with Aston Villa(pred. 8th) and finished the 2nd place with 80 pts
Not bad at all
Has anyone tried this tactic in Bundesliga?
Rince said: Has anyone tried this tactic in Bundesliga?
I played with Bayern Munich and had only 1 lose in the league and the team scored 127 and conceded only 21.
Champions Cup Final vs Liverpool
Sandro said: I played with Bayern Munich and had only 1 lose in the league and the team scored 127 and conceded only 21.
Yeah, the tactic fits perfectly Bayern Munich.
I've had a great season with AC Milan
Just want to share my experience with this tactic. Started a Journeyman save unemployed. Without reputation and badges. I really love how it plays.
Alania:
First season: Started in 14th place mid-season.
Second season: Media Prediction 16e
Third Season: Media Prediction 12e. Also loosing finalist of the cup.
Fehérvár:
First season: Media Prediction 2e. Won also the cup and Quarter Finals Conference League.
Dundee:
Current season: Media Prediction 6e.
Many thanks for creating this wonderful tactic. If you have the right players this tactic will be potent in attack, solid in defence, and fun to watch. I am into second season with my Man Utd team and is so far undefeated in 22 games. I do have an overpowered squad though, but the gameplay is simply magnificent.
My best starting eleven.
Note that I have placed SS towards the right because I play Rashford (and sometimes CR7) on the left winger role. They both have cut inside from the left trait, so it is desirable to leave more "space" in the middle of the pitch for them to naturally cut inside. On this note, I have no problem playing "inside forwards" as the wingers (i.e. players with stronger foot on the opposite side). For example I play Rashford as left winger, and Adeyemi as the right winger. In fact it enhances the chance of them playing 45 degrees pass from midfield with their stronger foot from their side of the pitch to the AF SS and CM-a to score from the middle of the pitch. Of course if you play a natural winger (i.e. stronger left foot as left winger, stronger right foot as right winger) their crossing pattern will change and they will tend to cross more from the byline with their natural foot. Also, to state the obvious, your wingers will not be the main goal source but will have a lot of assists given their "take more risks" role. I have not had much success with insider forwards and inverted wingers in this match engine anyway.
I have made tweaks to the backline:
IWB
CB
Reasons for the tweaks. My attacking front is strong enough. I do not need the backline to participate actively in attack. Their role is to recycle the ball and pass to the front. I particularly like the "take fewer risks" and "close down less" options for both roles.
"Take fewer risks" is self-explanatory and avoids losing possession in dangerous zones - it is good enough for the wingers and the CM-a to "take more risks" and create one-on-one chances for the striker and shadow striker. In order to have "take fewer risks" for the IWB you have to change it to IWB - auto: IWB - attack has "take more risks" hard coded. Sometimes I may even click "dribble less" for the IWB to make sure they do not lose possession especially against strong teams.
"Close down less" is very interesting. It does not mean your defenders will go easy on your opponents - it simply prevents the defenders from pressing too hard and too far up and requires them to press from a distance, thus not losing ground unnecessarily. Otherwise when you are up against very agile and pacey opponents, once your defender presses too hard, your opponent can go past you like wind.
"Ease off tackles" for the two CB: (i) they get far less cards (therefore creating far fewer opportunities for your opponent to have a free kick just outside your penalty box and you know how lethal that can be in this match engine); and (ii) they would not go down to tackle pacey and skillful strikers so they will not lose ground - you will see that they simply position themselves to block the opponent's path. Of course their defensive positioning and decision must be very good to be able to get the best out of the two CB.
Good tactic.
I finished the 2nd place with Olympique de Marseille which I find a very good result.
PSG is just too OP in this game.