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433 Whisper in the Wind

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This one has underlaps or overlaps? Fix it please, coz is leading ppl to think that underlaps with focus play on flanks is better. The tactics name diference is just an "A" @Zippo @Droid

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crizeKOS said: This one has underlaps or overlaps? Fix it please, coz is leading ppl to think that underlaps with focus play on flanks is better. The tactics name diference is just an "A" @Zippo @Droid

I think @Delicious accidently uploaded the same tactic twice or maybe there's some difference in the PIs, I don't know I haven't checked it.

https://fm-arena.com/tactic/3825-433-whisper-in-the-wind/

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y, it's definitely the case, like I've made mistake with uploading already
and it's a cautious reminder for those who chase +1pts, that even on 1920 matches there's still RNG :)

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opq said: y, it's definitely the case, like I've made mistake with uploading already
and it's a cautious reminder for those who chase +1pts, that even on 1920 matches there's still RNG :)


To be precise:

"433 A Whisper in the Wind" tactic got '54.585416666667' points

"433 Whisper in the Wind" tactic got '54.308333333333' points

So the difference is only '0.2774' points

Out testing server rounds the points to a whole number so '54.585416666667' was rounded to '55' and '54.308333333333' was rounded to '54'.


BUT such a small difference like "0.2774" points can't be guaranteed for each test and the RNG can be as high as "3 Points" even when you test a tactic for 1920 matches. Yes, the probability of such high RNG might be quite low, for example, it might be 3%, 5% or 10% but it's still possible.

https://fm-arena.com/thread/2713-10-944-matches-tested-fm-rng-measured/

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Zippo said: I think @Delicious accidently uploaded the same tactic twice or maybe there's some difference in the PIs, I don't know I haven't checked it.

https://fm-arena.com/tactic/3825-433-whisper-in-the-wind/


In his log in the main post he said he made this one with overlaps instead of underlaps. I was confused because the picture in this post over here. I guess he needs to upload the right tactic img.

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crizeKOS said: In his log in the main post he said he made this one with overlaps instead of underlaps. I was confused because the picture in this post over here. I guess he needs to upload the right tactic img.

So, despite RNG, OVERLAPS gave 0.2774 more points then.

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crizeKOS said: So, despite RNG, OVERLAPS gave 0.2774 more points then.
Both tested tactics had 'Underlaps'. As I sad, probably, he accidently uploaded the same tactic twice.

You can download both tactics and check the TIs yourself.

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Zippo said: Both tested tactics had 'Underlaps'. As I sad, probably, he accidently uploaded the same tactic twice.

You can download both tactics and check the TIs yourself.


I was asking coz Im not home atm. I have only the image picture as source.

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wat happened?!

deepest sorry @Zippo can you delete one of them or reset one so i can put the right one ._.! Maybe i should've called it in another way...

And i don't like to call tactics "vXn"

I even did upload the same images,totaly dumb on my part.

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Delicious said: wat happened?!

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Solaris said:

:cry:

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Delicious said: can you delete one of them or reset one so i can put the right one ._.! Maybe i should've called it in another way...
Nah, I'd better leave both tactics so people will drive you mad with a question "WTF?! Why both tactics are the same"! I hope it'll teach you a lesson. :devil:

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Zippo said: Nah, I'd better leave both tactics so people will drive you mad with a question "WTF?! Why both tactics are the same"! I hope it'll teach you a lesson. :devil:



That's our Dark Lord...

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@Zippo there is any metric you would suggest us to take a look when making our test in these holiday premier league tests? Coz i had low score tactics grabbing everything and I had good ones doing ok. U guys asks this how it was some kind of pattern but it gets more crearly that is not that worth it and doesnt proofs much. Mainly coz the reasons u r always mentioning...

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crizeKOS said: @Zippo there is any metric you would suggest us to take a look when making our test in these holiday premier league tests? Coz i had low score tactics grabbing everything and I had good ones doing ok. U guys asks this how it was some kind of pattern but it gets more crearly that is not that worth it and doesnt proofs much. Mainly coz the readons u r always mentioning...

@Zippo Im asking this because my fear is that we may endind like @Delicious micro testing stuff everywhere and maybe getting mad.

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I've merged the results of both tests into one.

My congratulations, this tactic has been officially tested for 3,840 matches.






crizeKOS said: @Zippo there is any metric you would suggest us to take a look when making our test in these holiday premier league tests? Coz i had low score tactics grabbing everything and I had good ones doing ok. U guys asks this how it was some kind of pattern but it gets more crearly that is not that worth it and doesnt proofs much. Mainly coz the reasons u r always mentioning...

If you value the result of our testing more than the result of your testing then you should based your idea on the result of our testing. I think it's simple as that.

There are about 1,000,000,000 different tactical combinations in the game so it would take ages to test them all.

So that's why we greatly value any tactician:

- who spends his time to analyze the result of our testing
- who finds the patters in the result of our testing to further improve the results
- who doesn't propose for the testing tactical approaches that have been already tested very well


Are you that kind of tactician? Then we need you!

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Zippo said: I've merged the results of both tests into one.

My congratulations, this tactic has been officially tested for 3,840 matches.








If you value the result of our testing more than the result of your testing then you should based your idea on the result of our testing. I think it's simple as that.

There are about 1,000,000,000 different tactical combinations in the game so it would take ages to test them all.

So that's why we greatly value any tactician:

- who spends his time to analyze the result of our testing
- who finds the patters in the result of our testing to further improve the results
- who doesn't propose for the testing tactical approaches that have been already tested very well


Are you that kind of tactician? Then we need you!



@Delicious did u see that? he said he love us

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crizeKOS said: @Delicious did u see that? he said he love us

Fool,he want bring us to the Dark side... Be carefull!

Stay step away or he can grab you!

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We need to test it again with new set piece!

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tzuyu sama said: We need to test it again with new set piece!

https://fm-arena.com/thread/4455-433-hall-of-fame/

Basically is that, tried with Mezzalas again but ain't working, i am try again later :p

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