Droid said: I just tried to help you because my experience tells me when you aren't happy with the results then your tactic isn't always the reason, usually, there are many other things that you should be looking at... but feel free to ignore my advice :)

i have finished season with Atalanta who in my opinion have 3 times better team then Ac Milan for example(last 3 games played with version2),now i will compare my results with the results of the guy who posted here  his first season with AC Milan...
I would like to understand why i had so many draws,maybe wingers are VERY  important here because Milan have beter wingers than me,for the rest in my opinion Atalanta have much more quality and depth!
And I didnt have problems with injuries,keeped players happy no any issues,even knocked out in 1/8 finals in CL,so i didnt have other competition to play...

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babemocni1988 said: i have finished season with Atalanta who in my opinion have 3 times better team then Ac Milan

Atalanta team:

Ilici - 153CA
Gomez - 157CA
Biraghi - 139CA
Malinovskyi - 147CA
Faraoni - 136CA
De Roon - 148CA
Gosens - 149CA
Palomino - 146CA
Rafael Toloi - 146CA
Hateboer - 145CA
Gollini - 145CA

Avg. CA = 146


AC Milan team:

Diaz - 136CA
Rebic - 147CA
Castillejo - 141CA
Hakan Çalhanoğlu - 149CA
Saelemaekers - 141CA
Sandro Tonali - 138CA
Theo Hernández - 153CA
Alessio Romagnoli - 149CA
Simon Kjær - 145CA
Davide Calabria - 139CA
Gianluigi Donnarumma - 156CA

Avg. CA = 144


So... Atalanta avg. CA is 146 nad AC Milan avg. CA is 144... even I with my poor mathematics skills can say that 146 is not 3 time more than 144 :)

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Nikko said: Atalanta team:

Ilici - 153CA
Gomez - 157CA
Biraghi - 139CA
Malinovskyi - 147CA
Faraoni - 136CA
De Roon - 148CA
Gosens - 149CA
Palomino - 146CA
Rafael Toloi - 146CA
Hateboer - 145CA
Gollini - 145CA

Avg. CA = 146


AC Milan team:

Diaz - 136CA
Rebic - 147CA
Castillejo - 141CA
Hakan Çalhanoğlu - 149CA
Saelemaekers - 141CA
Sandro Tonali - 138CA
Theo Hernández - 153CA
Alessio Romagnoli - 149CA
Simon Kjær - 145CA
Davide Calabria - 139CA
Gianluigi Donnarumma - 156CA

Avg. CA = 144


So... Atalanta avg. CA is 146 nad AC Milan avg. CA is 144... even I with my poor mathematics skills can say that 146 is not 3 time more than 144 :)


It is still beter team :) by the way thanks for this analise!
And i was thinking that natural position  of Ilicic and Gomez should do much beter then Rebic and Dias,there is no logic :) two world class AMC against two sub. players...

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babemocni1988 said: It is still beter team :) by the way thanks for this analise!
And i was thinking that natural position  of Ilicic and Gomez should do much beter then Rebic and Dias,there is no logic :) two world class AMC against two sub. players...


Anyway, it's hard to say why one person has better result than other person because there could be many factors for that. For example, he might be better in managing the morale and conditions of the players or making substitutions or handling touchline shouts during matches or just had a great luck during the season... you know FM could be very random :)

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Nikko said: Anyway, it's hard to say why one person has better result than other person because there could be many factors for that. For example, he might be better in managing the morale and conditions of the players or making substitutions or handling touchline shouts during matches or just had a great luck during the season... you know FM could be very random :)

I agree!Have you tested V2,but please no holiday mode results :)

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babemocni1988 said: I agree!Have you tested V2,but please no holiday mode results :)

Nope, I haven't had time to try it yet.

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Magician said: v3.0 is available for downloading :)

v3.0 changes:
- added "Shot Less" PI for all positions


Do the new versions get more Points per Season?

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V2 and V3 are producing worse results for me in testing

V2


The best I have found is the AP/DM edit i suggested in regards to consistency

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CA means nothing if attributes is not right. For example you can have CA140 DC player with 4 at marking and you can have CA140 DC player with 17 at marking.

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cadoni said: CA means nothing if attributes is not right. For example you can have CA140 DC player with 4 at marking and you can have CA140 DC player with 17 at marking.

The ratings are obviously role-specific and utilize real players that play in those positions. But just like in real life, you won't ever have the perfect set of players

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Great tactic. First match 5-0🙌🏻  Using v3.

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Healmuth why don't you post your new version for it to be tested? Curious to see the results..

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Guidito said: Healmuth why don't you post your new version for it to be tested? Curious to see the results..

I posted it above??

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healmuth said: I posted it above??

Sorry I meant as posting it so it gets tested on the testing table

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@healmuth the DM/AP changes are just in the role?
DM is already present on v3.. you change de CM att to AP att?

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healmuth said: V2 and V3 are producing worse results for me in testing

V2


The best I have found is the AP/DM edit i suggested in regards to consistency


AP|DM is the best. My result with Fulham no transfers
I think this tactic must be test

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healmuth can we get a one striker tactic? u are the best

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Jawad said: healmuth can we get a one striker tactic? u are the best

I haven't found a combination that can replace the effectiveness of a Shadow Striker. I've tried quite a bit in the past few days but it doesn't seem possible right now.

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healmuth said: I haven't found a combination that can replace the effectiveness of a Shadow Striker. I've tried quite a bit in the past few days but it doesn't seem possible right now.

Thanx for your great work Healmuth! In your opinion is Phoenix v.3 the best underdog tactic for current patch, or do you recommend any other?

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PHOENIX V3
2 seasons with fiorentina,tested for fun,mostly holiday mode,few transfers added in second season!
Most games when I played I won,i have noticed position of CM is very important because lot of times he go 1on1 in open space against GK,Castovilli scored so many goals playing as CM ,ANTICIPATION IS VERY IMPORTANT for a 4 players at back because those roles very often take a ball from oposition an put simple pass in open space for a 3 players up front!
next test with be real and i will play every game,no holiday mode because results as you can see from this experiment can oscilate too much and you lose some incredible easy matches even at home...
with this test I just wanted to see how stabile is in 2 seasons

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started a real test playing every game(NO HOLIDAY) and constructed team for this system!Magican you deserve much more credit for this brilliant job!
My team is unbeatable in first season with Inter!Dominating every single gamed played so far...
Far best tactic ever played in this fm edition!
man thank you for this brilliant V3

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healmuth said: V2 and V3 are producing worse results for me in testing

V2


The best I have found is the AP/DM edit i suggested in regards to consistency

What a joke man xD - Newly promoted predicted 18th won the Seria A. Lucky for me that AC.Milan didn't want to buy Tonali

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ta2199 said: What a joke man xD - Newly promoted predicted 18th won the Seria A. Lucky for me that AC.Milan didn't want to buy Tonali

Hi,

Did you play with V3?

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Eric said: Hi,

Did you play with V3?

No I play with the AP/DM version by him.
The key thing is you have to keep rotate your squad during the season. Not just in the December / January to keep your player fresh and happy That's the most annoy things will happend when you go on holiday for whole season( you will see a slump during mid season )
As you can see mostly everyone in my squad play around 22 games

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ta2199 said: No I play with the AP/DM version by him.
The key thing is you have to keep rotate your squad during the season. Not just in the December / January to keep your player fresh and happy That's the most annoy things will happend when you go on holiday for whole season( you will see a slump during mid season )


I believe I finally might have something even better - but some testing still needs to be done before releasing it

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healmuth said: I believe I finally might have something even better - but some testing still needs to be done before releasing it

Anything new or just small tweaks?

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healmuth said: I believe I finally might have something even better - but some testing still needs to be done before releasing it

I would love to try it if it worked well for you

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This is how its played derby di Italia with PHOENIX V3 :cool:

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babemocni1988 said: This is how its played derby di Italia with PHOENIX V3 :cool:

Hi,

What positions do the most assistance in your team?

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Eric said: Hi,

What positions do the most assistance in your team?


HELLO Eric,the most assist coming from ML and MR positions,but overall assist coming from anywhere,this system broke ME that is for sure(huge thanks to you Magician),you dont need world class players but they need to fit in the system
I do a lot of rotation it is very important,but never more than 6 players!

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