Phoenix

by Magician, Dec 21, 2020

Hi,

Please, test my tactic.

I tried it with Atletico Madrid and won everything. :cool:

Thank you.












If you want to know what attributes are the most important for every position then check this table - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/


Here are few tips that can bring the performance of Phoenix v3.0 tactic on the next level.

If you draw or lose with Phoenix v3.0 tactic after the 1st half then change the mentality to "Very Attacking" at the beginning of the 2nd half. It'll turn on "Berserk Mode" for the shadow strikers and increase the goals output of the tactic for about 30%! If you score and start leading then change the mentality back to "Positive".

If you play with "Instant Result" then you can create these match plans.

IMPORTANT: Ask you assistant manager to make substitutions only after 70 min.






Also, it's very important to know that the MC position is one of the most important positions in the tactic because it greatly contributes in scoring goals and making assistance.

For example, in my test with Man City Kevin De Bruyne scored 44 goals and made 33 assistances at the end of the season, the MC position was among the highest scoring positions in the tactic.

So for the MC position you need a player who can score goals and make assistance.


Also, if you play with Phoenix 3.0 tactic or any other attacking-aggressive tactic then you also need a "Physical Conditions saving" tactic to use when you want to save the Physical Conditions of your players for further matches.


v2.0 changes:
- changed the Tempo from "Extremely High" to "High"
- changed the Passing Directness from "Slightly Shorter" to "More Direct"
- removed "Get Further Forward" PI from the wingers and inverted wing-backs
- removed "Pass Shorter" PI from all positions
- changed the role of DMC from DLP to DM


v3.0 changes:
- added "Shot Less" PI for all positions

v4.0 changes:
- changed the Tempo to "Extremely High"
- changed the Mentality to "Positive"
- changed the DM to DLP(S)
- changed the GK to GK(Def)
- added "Get Further Forward" PIs for the Wingers and the Inverted Wing-Backs

v5.0 changes:
- tweaked the attacking throw-ins set pieces

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That's ZaZ - Red, but with wingers instead of defensive wingers. Good to know it also performed well in other leagues.

P.S.: It just got tested and the results are nearly identical. I wonder how ZaZ - Blue will compare, since it apparently gives me better results, or very similar.

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ZaZ - Red has 0.105 more goals from corner than this tactic so this should be an easy possible tweak for anyone interested.
And it's not even like this corner setup is much more defensively solid - these are TFF's corners from last year, Maverick's Gunslinger was also using them and if you watch the games you'll notice that conceding goals from counterattacking corners, majority of the times happens because the opponent has a faster striker than your defenders - number of players staying back does not resolve that issue.

If you're really worried about not having enough guys back, put the guy marking the keeper from ZaZ - Red corner setup to stay back - it does not hurt the scoring from corners that much, while giving you a little bit more defensive safety.

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The advantage of this tactic might as well be just a statistical deviation, as the difference is not very significant. They are too similar. That being said, this tactic is probably better because it puts less physical strain on your players.

I am currently investigating if the winger role or the instructions to run at defense and get stuck in are making any difference at all. If not, I suppose it's better to keep the simplest solution.

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Testing this right now in the MrL test league and will post results soon, I have utilized knap's corners instructions

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This looks very promising and very good.
- All players frozen
- CA140 set to 140 capability, 165 set to 165
- All Match Prep set to 100
- Knaps corner instructions from Dukes 443 V4 applied

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healmuth said: This looks very promising and very good.
- All players frozen
- CA140 set to 140 capability, 165 set to 165
- All Match Prep set to 100
- Knaps corner instructions from Dukes 443 V4 applied


Where can I get that test league? I have seem some people using it before.

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ZaZ said: Where can I get that test league? I have seem some people using it before.

https://beta.fm-base.co.uk/testing-database-fm21/

Hey ZaZ can download it here. But i think the filters need fixing to freeze verything in FMRTE. Seems like iot only freezes players for the CA140 team

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Wingers with right leg on right or inverted?
What is the most important attribute of the SS?

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Guidito said: Wingers with right leg on right or inverted?
What is the most important attribute of the SS?


I have yet to see a good tactic with inverted winger in FM21. They seem to suck right now.

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ZaZ said: I have yet to see a good tactic with inverted winger in FM21. They seem to suck right now.

Yeah i have tried so many different tactics tio have either IW or IF but they are way less effective than wingers

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Guidito said: Wingers with right leg on right or inverted?
Right footed on the right and left footed on the left


Guidito said: What is the most important attribute of the SS?
Just look at the highlighted attributes for the role

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Hi guys !

Can you show your players' season stats please ?
The amount of goals scored is really nice but i want to know if it works the same way for everybody.

My wingers are not really effective.

I play with barcelona and i can't get the best of Frenkie de Jong as a DLP.. He is under 7 average..

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ZaZ Red vs Phoenix

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Jimmy67 said: https://beta.fm-base.co.uk/testing-database-fm21/

Hey ZaZ can download it here. But i think the filters need fixing to freeze verything in FMRTE. Seems like iot only freezes players for the CA140 team


Where should I throw that Frozen Players directory? I don't get how to freeze the players.

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ZaZ said: Where should I throw that Frozen Players directory? I don't get how to freeze the players.

Have you bought FMRTE If you have put the frozen players download into the folder. On my PC its C:/Braca Soft/FMRTE 21. or should be something along those lines mate.

If not just got to the FMRTE site and buy it its only around £5.

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I didn't. I suppose I will get the in game editor and freeze those things manually. Thank you for the tips.

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Poacher said: The tactic works like a charm with AC Milan

I had an incredible season and won every trophy :)

It's the best tactic I've tried so far in FM21





holiday mode??incredible results...

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Magician said: Hi,

Here are stats from my Atletico Madrid save


Thanks mate ! Exactly what I thought, DM is underrated..

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ZaZ said: I didn't. I suppose I will get the in game editor and freeze those things manually. Thank you for the tips.

IGE cant do that

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I've tried a few things with this tactic. The setting that worked the most consistent in testing so far has been a DM/AP combo. Here are some results over three runs of the test league, 80 games per season, so 240 games total.

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I've noticed that too. My Green strategy is using an AP attack instead of CM and it's scoring more goals. I am testing with DM defend, though. I am currently checking if I can tweak the pass directness and tempo, but just changing the CM for AP is what caused the best improvement.

P.S.: Just tested on Red, APDM the way you suggested is better. Thanks for the tip.

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tests have already been made with the new version ?

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Pablito said: tests have already been made with the new version ?

I don't find Phoenix v2.0 in the table so I can conclude that it hasn't been tested yet. :)

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V1 stopped working with my Atalanta save in the middle of the season,playing on extended higlights all draws without any higlights!!hope so this tweak will bring success!

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babemocni1988 said: V1 stopped working with my Atalanta save in the middle of the season,playing on exttended higlights all draws without any higlights!!hope so this tweak will bring success!

Its just the way this game is. After that slump time, everything gonna be back to normal

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ta2199 said: Its just the way this game is. After that slump time, everything gonna be back to normal

I am playing this game for a long time so i know when tactic stop working!I am speaking about 10 games played...almoust no higlights...

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babemocni1988 said: I am playing this game for a long time so i know when tactic stop working!I am speaking about 10 games played...almoust no higlights...

or it might be your teams isn't good enough to meet your expectation and even the best tactic can't help :)

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Droid said: or it might be your teams isn't good enough to meet your expectation and even the best tactic can't help :)

Man I am not here to critic something i am just trying to give a feedbach of my experience,as i sad in the first part of season i have done wonders with my team and i am just woried that tactic becomes easy to read for AI,nothing else,and i am very happy that autor made a tweak,there must be reason why,so keep calm and relax!

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babemocni1988 said: Man I am not here to critic something i am just trying to give a feedbach of my experience,as i sad in the first part of season i have done wonders with my team and i am just woried that tactic becomes easy to read for AI,nothing else,and i am very happy that autor made a tweak,there must be reason why,so keep calm and relax!

I just tried to help you because my experience tells me when you aren't happy with the results then your tactic isn't always the reason, usually, there are many other things that you should be looking at... but feel free to ignore my advice :)

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