Phoenix

by Magician, Dec 21, 2020

Rince said: I used the Phoenix 3.0 tactic, the very attacking version and the conditions saving version for 3 seasons with West Ham.

I'd say West Ham is a quite small club, it's predicted to finish the 12th place by the media in the 1st season.


In the 1st season I finished the 6th place





The media prediction in the 1st season



The team at the end of the 1st season



The transfers in the 1st season






In the 2nd season I finished the 1st place








The media prediction before the 2nd season




The team at the end of the 2nd season




The transfers in the 2nd season






In the 3rd season I won the league title again and also, won the Champions League Cup! :cool:








The Champions League Final vs Man Utd





The media prediction before the 3rd season :)




The team at the end of the 3rd season




The transfers in the 3rd season





In summary for 3 seasons with West Ham I won 2 EPL titles and 1 Champion League title and that despite the fact my was still weaker than the top teams in EPL such as Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea


In my case it does not work for me. I started two different career with same team. In first try, we lost everything In second one, in the first 6 matches, 4 losses and 2 wins. maybe it is not suitable for lower leagues. I have good transfers and staff. but after sixth match I was so angry to my team. We have spaces in defence. Rivals have comfort for shoots. And all we do is, send ball to opponents' defenders.

I will try this tactic with another team.

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crazyfmguy93 said: In my case it does not work for me. I started two different career with same team. In first try, we lost everything In second one, in the first 6 matches, 4 losses and 2 wins. maybe it is not suitable for lower leagues. I have good transfers and staff. but after sixth match I was so angry to my team. We have spaces in defence. Rivals have comfort for shoots. And all we do is, send ball to opponents' defenders.

I will try this tactic with another team.


FM is a football simulation game so it's supposed to produce somewhat realistic result. Even the most effective tactics in FM don't give you 100% win rate. Using the most effective tactics in FM only guarantees that you overachieve with your team which means in your case when you play with Karabükspor(media prediction is 20th) then you can expect to finish somewhere above the mid table at the end of the season and even if at the begging of the season you got 4 loses in a row or 10 loses in a row then you still can finish above the mid table or even win the league and if you can't stand seeing your team losing then probably, FM is a wrong game for you... try playing FIFA or PES only there you can win every match with Karabükspor :D

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Grimlock said: FM is a football simulation game so it's supposed to produce somewhat realistic result. Even the most effective tactics in FM don't give you 100% win rate. Using the most effective tactics in FM only guarantees that you overachieve with your team which means in your case when you play with Karabükspor(media prediction is 20th) then you can expect to finish somewhere above the mid table at the end of the season and even if at the begging of the season you got 4 loses in a row or 10 loses in a row then you still can finish above the mid table or even win the league and if you can't stand seeing your team losing then probably, FM is a wrong game for you... try playing FIFA or PES only there you can win every match with Karabükspor :D

:D :D :D

wow!!!! Really?

media prediction is 20. Because the team have nothing at the begining. But when I take over, I have  list for transfer. Great CA and positon rating. and after the transfers and loans, team become an average team for its league and I expect that this tactic helps me on my way. Sorry, it is not happening.

So thank you for a your great reply. It will help to people who start to play this game yesterday... not for me sorry.

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crazyfmguy93 said: :D :D :D

wow!!!! Really?

media prediction is 20. Because the team have nothing at the begining. But when I take over, I have  list for transfer. Great CA and positon rating. and after the transfers and loans, team become an average team for its league and I expect that this tactic helps me on my way. Sorry, it is not happening.

So thank you for a your great reply. It will help to people who start to play this game yesterday... not for me sorry.


Try one of the other top tactics. Just like in real life, some tactics perform better in certain conditions. Some might give better results with a couple of players while others are better when the team makes less errors (due to pressure, bad players or other problems). Blue 2.0 and Phoenix 3.0 are in the top here, but might not be in the top for other rank, with a different methodology of testing. Other than that, some tactics are more entertaining to watch, even with worse results. I advise to try other tactics with 7.0, 6.9 or even lower ratings in the table and decide which you like the most. If you like seeing lots of goals, try Motion or Void. If you want a balanced tactic, try Blue 2.0 or Voila. You can also try Red, Fireball or several others that give very consistent results.

In my case, I obviously play with Blue 2.0, but I know others could be better under certain conditions.

P.S.: I also think Phoenix will give you better results if you are a bit patient, since I believe you just got out of luck in the first matches.

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ZaZ said: Try one of the other top tactics. Just like in real life, some tactics perform better in certain conditions. Some might give better results with a couple of players while others are better when the team makes less errors (due to pressure, bad players or other problems). Blue 2.0 and Phoenix 3.0 are in the top here, but might not be in the top for other rank, with a different methodology of testing. Other than that, some tactics are more entertaining to watch, even with worse results. I advise to try other tactics with 7.0, 6.9 or even lower ratings in the table and decide which you like the most. If you like seeing lots of goals, try Motion or Void. If you want a balanced tactic, try Blue 2.0 or Voila. You can also try Red, Fireball or several others that give very consistent results.

In my case, I obviously play with Blue 2.0, but I know others could be better under certain conditions.

P.S.: I also think Phoenix will give you better results if you are a bit patient, since I believe you just got out of luck in the first matches.


thank you.

Do you ever try Phoenix-APDM? Which one is better? APDM or v3.0?

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crazyfmguy93 said: media prediction is 20. Because the team have nothing at the begining. But when I take over, I have  list for transfer. Great CA and positon rating. and after the transfers and loans, team become an average team for its league

when you strengthen a team that is predicted to finish 20th then at the best you can improve the prediction to 12th - 15th but in most cases it will be even less than that... btw, you can always find your media prediction in the media prediction table.

crazyfmguy93 said: So thank you for a your great reply. It will help to people who start to play this game yesterday... not for me sorry.

Sorry but for me any person that makes a conclusion about anything in this game only after 6 matches played can be tagged as "started playing this game yesterday". :D

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crazyfmguy93 said: thank you.

Do you ever try Phoenix-APDM? Which one is better? APDM or v3.0?


To be honest, I tried APDM in Blue and it didn't make much difference. I can't understand why it performs so much better than the original in fm-base. It really puzzles me, because normal Phoenix is really low there, with just those two roles as difference. I am not saying it's biased, it's just beyond my comprehension. Magician also tested with APDM and he didn't identify that much of a difference.

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Grimlock said: when you strengthen a team that is predicted to finish 20th then at the best you can improve the prediction to 12th - 15th but in most cases it will be even less than that... btw, you can always find your media in the media prediction table.



Sorry but for me any person that makes a conclusion about anything in this game only after 6 matches played can be tagged as "started playing this game yesterday". :D


You use v3.0, right? When you watch the matches with this tactic, did you like the play? Passes and attacking positions?

in FM19 I used GLADIATOR, in FM20 I used FM20 (4-1-3-1-1)  @SPARTAN@ v-1, they are very good tactics for winning and they look nice when you are watching matches. I mean of course I dont want to win every games. I want watch good games, eye-pleasing football. But all I see is stupid mistakes.

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crazyfmguy93 said: You use v3.0, right? When you watch the matches with this tactic, did you like the play? Passes and attacking positions?

in FM19 I used GLADIATOR, in FM20 I used FM20 (4-1-3-1-1)  @SPARTAN@ v-1, they are very good tactics for winning and they look nice when you are watching matches. I mean of course I dont want to win every games. I want watch good games, eye-pleasing football. But all I see is stupid mistakes.


I play with Blue 2.0, but I guess most here use Phoenix 3.0, since it's in the top of the table. If you want goals, then go for Motion or Void. Or maybe you can try Phoenix in the very attacking setting. I like the way Blue 2.0 plays, but I am biased to talk about it.

P.S.: You can sort the table by Goals For or Goal Difference if you want, as that would be a better measurement of entertaining football.

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crazyfmguy93 said: I try it with Karabükspor. Media Prediction is 20. Not successful neither. I think it is not good with small team. My team defenders are shooting the ball forward without aim and opponent's attack start.

Here's my result with Karabükspor.

The team was predicted to finish the 20th place and also had -3 points deduction at the begging of the season.

I finished the 2nd place and I find it's a great result. :)





The media prediction

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Droid said: Here's my result with Karabükspor.

The team was predicted to finish the 20th place and also had -3 points deduction at the begging of the season.

I finished the 2nd place and I find it's a great result. :)





nice!

can you send your squad? You use v3.0?

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crazyfmguy93 said: nice!

can you send your squad? You use v3.0?


Yes, I used Phoenix 3.0 tactic and sometimes the "Very Attacking" version when it was appropriate.

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Droid said: Yes, I used Phoenix 3.0 tactic and sometimes the "Very Attacking" version when it was appropriate.

any squad and stats?

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crazyfmguy93 said: any squad and stats?

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v4.0 is available

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Magician said: v4.0 is available :)

Gratz, new 7.0 !

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Results with Man United, Holidayed the whole season and left everything with AM, great results, even thrashing Madrid in the final

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Magician said: v4.0 is available :)

where can we find it and download it?

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Foivos said: where can we find it and download it?

All his tactics are in the Opening Post. Go to page 1 and the bottom of the first post

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Hi @Magician ! for the position of nine and a half, it is better to convert attackers to this position, or to take real number 10? (Version 4)

thanks a lot

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KOniGun said: Hi @Magician ! for the position of nine and a half, it is better to convert attackers to this position, or to take real number 10? (Version 4)

thanks a lot


Hi,

Having proper attributes is the only what matters. There are many wingers, inside forwards, strikers and midfielders who will do great as the shadow strikers in the tactic.

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Hello, just a quick question

Do you still recommend changing the mentality to very attacking during the second half on v4?

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Kidshiva said: Hello, just a quick question

Do you still recommend changing the mentality to very attacking during the second half on v4?


Yes, when I desperately need to score then I change the mentality to Very Attacking and it's been working great for me.

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Really curious, gonna try it out! Too bad its strikerless .. i gotta have my striker! haha but i guess its most OP this ME..

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Has anyone tried 4.0? how were the results?

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brucepink said: Has anyone tried 4.0? how were the results?

I've tried v4.0 with Dortmund and it worked great.

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The 4.0 destroys my players fitness during games, help?

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Sandro said: I've tried v4.0 with Dortmund and it worked great.

the end of the 1st season with Dortmund :)

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Magician said: Hi,

Having proper attributes is the only what matters. There are many wingers, inside forwards, strikers and midfielders who will do great as the shadow strikers in the tactic.



Hi! What are the proper attributes for SS and CM? Only the main ones.

Sorry my english...

Thanks!

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Hugo said: Hi! What are the proper attributes for SS and CM? Only the main ones.

Sorry my english...

Thanks!


https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/

The lower in the table the better (so Pace and Acceleration are the best).

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